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ESPRESO July 3, 2024

Secretary blinkin went to pakin talking to china and saying yes, friends, you have to decide, either you support russia, then you will have sanctions and you will have a problem with the full program, like those who support the aggressor, or you will curtail this aid, because i must say, i did not know of this figure, but she it is impressive that 90 of the Machine Tools for the production of barrels, and there tanks, and shells and so on. Supplied to russia china, 70 , i dont know, some other separate equipment there, so joe biden spoke to sisius pinius, he warned him that you are coming to a point where we will use all means against you, and thats why chancellor scholz was, syzimpina , siyzimpin is going to come to paris to talk in may, this will all be the day before the swiss peace forum. This is exactly what we are approaching, what will the observers from beijing come to switzerland with, we understand that the russians are not they will most likely be there, well, maybe the belarusians would be observers, but at the moment i do not have this information, in any case , the civilized western world will outline its parameters, a vision not only of a peace formula, but also of readiness to support ukraine, i. E. An alignment of geopolitical clocks , which will now be in switzerland, switzerland will recognize the event. The event is determined, representatives of the socalled global south will come there, and the only question is whether china will come or not, belarus is such a with all due respect to belarus and the belarusian people, of course, will china come even as an observer, but not as a participant and so on, that is, negotiations are underway, and china is really at such a crossroads, whether it will be or not, instead it is about the global south , the principles on which a new world order can be established and a formula for ending the war in ukraine decided, it is also written, the formula is the plan of president zelensky, where the first point is the observance of the sovereignty and inviolability of the territorial integrity of all states, this the first point stands, the rest is secondary to this first point, and the first point will determine everything, that is why the russians. Do stand on their ears conditionally in order to torpedo this summit, because the summit, when you arrive and when you discuss the formula plan of president zelenskyis peace plan, then the first point is restoration, well, of course , restoration in the borders of 1991, by 200 there in 22, where they also grabbed the zaporizhia and kherson regions, that is , the russians, so everything will be determined here, or you standing on this side. Or these or both on that side, and here it is impossible to stand between your formula and ours, the formula of china, that you can be a mediator and go to ukraine for some territorial compromises, it is hopeless and it will not happen, fine, but we understand, it is possible to support ukraine, germany strongly supports ukraine in the matter of supplying taurus, there is a certain line that the germans do not want to cross when we talk about aviation. We, we are still talking about the f16, not the f35 and so on, and so on, understand that the issue of delineating the framework is one story, and the readiness to comply and forcing russia to this or that peace formula is a little different, that is, on paper very often everything looks very smooth, but when we talk about forcing russia, anton, well, the red lines have already arrived, the red lines have already been destroyed, those attacks are 300 km long, but taurus. Of course, it would be good for them to come, but this, this is not a coup, this is just a demonstration that we can speak and call for one, but this must always be followed by very concrete, sometimes tough actions. Of course, everyone should be, help ukraine, thats the point, well, but there is an internal situation individual states, but in america it took half a year with the absolute persistence and total but total commitment of president biden, it took half a year for the republicans to support this deal, and it was, well, half and half, that really, how critical it was that , what the president had, what badge he had. When he signed the agreement, when he signed this law, a badge with the flags of the United States and ukraine, not israel, not taiwan, or with all of them, only with ukraine, because it was a fundamental question, what played, well, played differently, trump and johnson, so what, what it happened there, trump and johnson, played by Vladimir Vladimirovich putin, because he gave an interview at the beginning of february. Gave an interview where he showed that he is handing out cards in the american elections, and these are the american deep state pruss reagan republicans, because there are still such, moreover, holding the heads of the committee there on intelligence, defense, it seems and Foreign Affairs, the house of representatives, they such hawks of reagan, it was very good for them, because volodymyr vladimirovych came. Says who americans should elect as president , and also says, no, well we, in fact we, it would be better for us if there was biden, well, these are not games like this with the americans, well, thats why they were broken very much, and this breakdown happened so, well, so brilliantly, because once these trumpists managed to overthrow for the first time in 240 years of mccarthy as speaker of the house of representatives, to keep it simple. An unheard of phenomenon, here the democrats made a mistake, of course, that they supported this proposal, not without foreseeing the consequences, and then their game with johnson began to move him from the speakers chair, well, thats not succeeded, and they say that various factors played a role there, they say that the Court Hearings of trump himself showed him that it cannot be like that, it may be that he will not be a candidate, because when he will be, i heard such a version that donald trump realized that he played his isolationist card and exhausted certain resources, so to speak, from his electoral sympathies, he needs to go to another field, that is, that he should, so to speak to be a big player, and not a prorussian figure, because well the issue of russian aggression against ukraine is serious, even for american politics, so you think well of donald trump, i am a little worse. I just see, i see the behavior of johnson, yes, that is, johnson, johnson, johnson, i think it played out, he really wanted the republicans to maintain party unity, well, it did not work out, and he was faced with such a thing, stefanchuk would have gone against the decision, for example , president zelenskyi, so we understand that johnson is not himself johnson, the speaker of the congress, well, he provided himself trumps support, and after that vote, trump said that he. Our good guy, that is, trump supported johnson, and i must say, he did , why, why, why, why, i think there was a very clear situation , and it is based on such very serious matters, that is, you get access to all intelligence data, as the speaker of the house of representatives at briefings, almost president ial information, and it was written there in black and white, as i understand it. Johnson said, this is a secret, he was told that if he does not support ukraine, then it was necessary to send our soldiers and our boys to europe, to protect nato, and then the responsibility of such a person who knew that they would send american boys to die and did not provide help to ukraine, even though ukraine is heroically resisting russian aggression, then the responsibility is punishment, ugh, in front of an american court, well, john trump. They are even reprimanded for many cases between others on january 6, 2020, so the truth is that nothing is forgotten there, a citizen goes to court and come on, and then the parents of those boys who, for example, would have died in europe, because we need them was sent to some front in a hypothetical lithuania or in a hypothetical poland or in estonia, and then johnson would be told you are a man, you had the opportunity to prevent my son from dying, and you did it. And what . Yes, well, you yourself mentioned the story about the return of the boys, and accordingly we understand that ukrainian citizens are now in the European Union and in poland, in particular. Hundreds of thousands of millions of people, and accordingly, our ministry of Foreign Affairs has put forward such an initiative, in particular, when it comes to not providing temporary Consular Services until the law on mobilization comes into force, and accordingly , perhaps it would be worthwhile to come from the other side to start one or another negotiations with individual capitals of the European Union, in order to help ukraine bring its sons home, somehow, well, in any case, the story caused a very stormy one. Discussion, that is, i dont know what to do with the non provision of Consular Services, but if there are possible return mechanisms, maybe it would be worth using them . Well of course, that there are mechanisms, i am generally, well, i am not a citizen of ukraine, but i am generally surprised by the discussion about mobilization, well, i have been in ukraine for a while and i feel the mood of the society, in the half or the second half of last year there were no such moods that people, lets say, they didnt understand that it would be necessary to mobilize, well, they understood, there is a state and. Needs, some have been at the front for two years and reserves are needed, well, everything is clear, instead, a political game began around the problem of mobilization, and it was a parallel game , you love conspiracies, this is a must was to follow, everyone loves conspiracies, why the question of mobilization, which was not on the agenda of discussion by ukrainians, because there was complete trust in the armed forces of ukraine, and it continues to be. Why did not the village fall in parallel with all the problems with the supply of weapons to ukraine, military aid, financial aid, internal problems of confrontation, well, thats how it should be said, or conflict between the military leadership, Political Leadership, where there were no grounds for this, i was told that those are unknown, but give me plans, because you dont know why, why do you want to summon 400 thousand, and not 500, or maybe . It is less necessary, who are you to discuss it, there is room for it to go into the political plane, into the public plane, well, it was irresponsibility, i apologize, and among others, the irresponsibility that spills out in todays situation, i i know a little about those people who are in poland and in other countries, there is a different contingent of people there, some left earlier, some have already found a job, the Ukrainian Embassy does not hand over ukrainian citizenship. A person who already works there, but wants to return to ukraine, different situations, millions of different situations and in each one, instead, you hit the ax like this, without analyzing anything, and in fact, in fact, i cause a lot of people to doubt that i have to keep connection with such a country, there are tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of students up to the age of 25 who are not subject to mobilization by law. Itself did not enter into force, why, for example, the polish state could help, for example, the ukrainian state, if our state would officially turn to warsaw, for example, there with a request to help put it on the record, for example, i dont know how to return it, and of course, even the viceprime minister, the minister of defense, koshinyak kamesh said the day before yesterday, it seems, that he, that poland is ready to contribute, on some normal basis, yes, in the register these citizens in ukraine are in the polish yes. There they are employed somewhere, they are studying somewhere and so on, they are given some rights, benefits and so on and so on, yes, uh, ukraine is asking if you have such citizens, how many are there and so on further, well, the polish services say, aunt, aunt, aunt, yes, so much, so much, for such, such, such categories, well, we will work with you to see how many of them voluntarily want to return to the ranks of the armed forces forces of ukraine, well, they say, they want that many, tens of thousands, yes, well, well, then in what order we establish that. They will move to us, we provide them with aunt, aunt, well, these are civilized ways, not in the emergency order does not know that now the photos that people rushed do not want to serve, or something, instead of this, ukraine gained absolute recognition in the world, with courage, unity, and this, which wants to defend itself, now this image is being destroyed from attention to the strange actions, i will say so very mildly, strange actions of the ukrainian authorities, which there is no action. We are a normal bureaucratic system, the bureaucratic system works according to its own rules, according to laws and so on, and here it is necessary to prepare people for it, and other countries would be calm, saying well, you think that you need it do, we want to help you in this process, do it according to such and such rules, and everything for everyone, and people know what awaits them, and this is not the image, my mother, i will be thrown there in avdiivka or near avdiivka, and there i will die, well, this is not true. Yes, now the information is out, the command of the Ground Forces of ukraine says that the queues lined up in front of the assembly centers, then people are normal about it, the state said, well, they were heaps. A sociological survey ultimately very interestingly shows that among men of conscription age , half are either ready to join voluntarily, or they will say, when the hangman arrives, then we leave, half of the men are ready today, well , approach them in a normal civilized way, and not in such a way that scares you, well, why is this, i dont understand this approach, well, as they say, lets live , well see, but at one time Aldous Huxley wrote such a speech for a reason. A work called a strange new world. In any case, thank you very much for the conversation, i want to remind our tv viewers that myroslav cheh, historian, publicist, deputy of the second polish diet, was currently working on espresso. Third term. Thank you thank you. Greetings, this is svoboda live on radio svoboda. We have already come to the snake itself. The following shots may shock you. News from the scene. Live drone attacks. Political analysis, objectively and meaningfully, there is no political season, exclusive interviews, reports from the hottest points of the front. Svobodalai, frankly and impartially. You draw your own conclusions. And now the iconic ukrainian will be on the air of the tv channel. And the diplomat roman bezsmertny, glory to ukraine, mr. Roman, i congratulate you, glory to the heroes, i congratulate you, mr. Antin, well, the key story the United States determined, the United States signed everything that had to be signed, and president joseph biden even wore a badge, not just an american president ial badge, but an americanukrainian one. It is symbolic, but the key story is the mediumterm perspective of the introduction of war with the aggressor state, the russian federation, here we leave. To an extremely big dilemma, mr. Ambassador, i would ask you to outline it, a very interesting and correct formulation of the question, because now in ukraine, in the souls and in the eyes of ukrainians there were several questions, the first of which is what is the last help, the next is whether there will be further help, what will be the help, how long in this situation according to the course of events. I will not appeal to everyone with emotions, few people paid attention to the fact that both during the discussion and in the text of the document itself, there is a direct reference to the need to develop a strategy, that is, from setting a goal to the corresponding steps, which would involve filling with appropriate weapons, technical and tactical parameters, armored vehicles, ammunition and so on. Because in fact it is the most depressing place in in this halfyearly discussion, the theme that attacked both the white house and ukraine was, show the strategy, or at least, well, lets say the outlines are certain, well, actually, it began to be developed and formed as a statement of the problem and answers to them, back in the fall of last year, when with a socalled article appeared was it called an interview of the chief of the general staff of general zalozhnyi, actually, do you remember how much violence was done then, this scientific work, it was only an addition to what was heard from washington, because on that at the moment, the chairman of the chiefs of staff committee, who was leaving and announced that last fall he would leave, in fact. He said the same thing about the need to develop a strategy, about new approaches, new tools for the introduction of war, and there, if you look at these two materials, they are synchronized and in a strange way for someone, but they are also related to the wellknown article of the Previous Year of 2022, general zabrodskyi and general zaluzhnyi, these are such spinetingling things that you can look further down. Cotton wool and tactical tools, well, lets talk about them provision, and this is a very important thing, because without answers to these questions, it is very difficult to move forward after making such a difficult decision, but the first thing i can do to reassure people who ask the questions i listed above is, for example , it will be or not, it will be, why it will be, because bicameral support under. Remained, bipartisan support remained, and everyone understood very well that if this bill, no matter how it was drafted, was put to a vote in october. In november, in december, in january, he would have been voted, by a larger by a slightly smaller number, but it would have been accepted, that is, what we talked about with you, that the situation came down to the state of affairs in the Republican Party itself, or rather in its top, it was only confirmed, at the same time, i really like it, it impresses , that in the final version there were things that the republicans talked about, this is a thing that is connected with. The training of longrange atakams complexes, and the second is those undersanctioned seized resources of russian legal entities and the state of russia in the accounts of american banks, this a very important thing, it means that among the republicans there is not only the principle of yes or no, but there is a meaningful analysis of the situation, these are two positions that are unambiguous. Say that support will be maintained. You outlin

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