The interaction of telegram with the Russian Special services, now telegram has the data of more than 20 Million People at its disposal, this is more than an action. Telegram is the fastest way to adjust hits on some objects. That is why, or to limit the influence of the telegram, i introduced the corresponding bill. This is not about banning telegram, it is about regulating its work. We are dealing with a mythical trojan horse, which was brought into. The city, and then in the middle of the night , an enemy army came out of it. The premium sponsor of the National Team represents. Association. Football is stronger together. We are coming back, and as promised, we will talk about sumy region. So, you know that sumyshchyna actually has the longest border with russia, over 500 km, it is very twisted, wooded, swampy. And in sumy oblast there is a single crossing that works on the border between ukraine and russia. In fact, this is the only place where those who were temporarily under occupation. Can through the territory of russia to come to this koloterivkapokrovka checkpoint and cross in one direction, it works, that is, from russia to ukraine, to get to the controlled territory of kyiv. We will talk about how this checkpoint works, but literally right now, we are joining kateryna arisa, director of geopluriton, on our air for this. Mrs. Kateryna, we congratulate you. I congratulate you so, please tell me how popular this checkpoint is now in the third year of fullscale war, how many people cross it every day . He is so popular how much is the only option, how can one return to controlled ukraine, for people who are under occupation, some for more than 10 years, some for more than. Years, and people every day, using this corridor, return to ukraine, overcome this extremely difficult path in order to live freely and, as they themselves say, breathe free air, and this is a oneway corridor, that is, only russia in the direction of ukraine, or are there any cases when movement to russia is allowed . No, it. Only works in one direction and only for citizens of ukraine, but we understand well that if citizens of ukraine go, some of them may be, well, they may already be recruited, what does the check look like, well, this is exactly why the services, border, Law EnforcementServices Work with them and check people, and every person who crosses the humanitarian corridor, he passes this check, ugh, panickaterina, you said it was hard. The way, accordingly, what is the difficulty of this way, how many kilometers is it, how many kilometers do people have to overcome in order to get from russia to ukraine, or those who have some limited physical capabilities, elderly people, children, have the opportunity to get some kind of help so that they dont have to go by themselves, because we understand that this happens for sure on foot, and in fact, how they are checked when they cross this border. It is difficult precisely because people have to go through two filtrations, the first for them when they leave the occupied territory to the territory of the russian federation, because. In order to return through this corridor, you must go through russia, and the next filtering of ukrainians awaits directly in kolotylivka, this is the belgorod region, this exactly where this point is, that is , kolotylivka is on the russian side, and pokrovka is on the sumy oblast, it is already a ukrainian checkpoint, and already between them people have to cross 2 km on a very bad road on foot, but. Starting from at the end of february, our team, together with the red crucifixion response unit, we meet people at the border, especially those with reduced mobility, because people even in such a condition, they still want to return to ukraine, they leave their homes and despite their difficult condition, they go anyway here, and just for such people. We work directly on the border, directly in this humanitarian corridor and we help every day, and just after such an opportunity opened up, since we started doing it, we are approached every day by about a dozen people, precisely those whose relatives they are in a serious state of health and want to return, but they cannot overcome this path on their own, so they turn to us. And because of that, which is why theyre able to be here, are able to get medical care because, like it is known that there is no adequate medical care in uncontrolled territories, even an ambulance cannot be called, and when people stay there, they do not want to receive russian passports, if you do not have a russian passport, then you are generally unprotected and. You have no rights, and very often, when we meet people in such serious conditions, they are immediately provided with general emergency medical care, and there have been cases where people have been taken immediately to the intensive care unit, or they even needed some kind of surgical intervention, because really come back in very difficult physical conditions, ms. Kateryna, and look, its already two two years of fasting. Is happening, it is not an uncontrolled territory on that side, it is even a controlled territory, border troops, occupying countries, this is this, well, this is the kgb, in fact, the border troops of russia are the fsb, what you can see, that is what you see from there side, because, for example, ukrainian people go, including those without russian passports, how do the russian fesbshniks work . What do you mean, what can you see, well, we do not communicate with the russians services, we have no contact, we, we communicate only with people and see only our people, our ukrainians, who are walking on this road, we go out to meet them, because we know that on such and such a day , such and such will happen a person to leave, accordingly, our focus is focused exclusively on liu, and what do the people themselves tell them, that the fsb officers demand something from them, do they also undergo some filtering procedures before they are allowed into ukraine . What do people say of course, they come through exhausting filtering procedures, they are also checked, documents, interrogated, and it is not, you know, such a pleasant procedure, it is very stressful, and when people already reach us, and then we take them to the volunteer center, then psychologists work with them, because people are really under such, well, strong stress and very excited, but in the end, that they are happy, that they are already with. Are safe and therefore it would be much easier for them, and among those people whom you, whom you met, among those people were ukrainian citizens from the occupied southern regions, because it is logistically the longest way for them through russia, so that come in, that is, are there among them in khersonets, zaporizhia, there are all of them, there are absolutely all regions, including crimea, and if we are talking about the people of kherson, yes you asked, then here. You know, it is so interesting, if, interesting way, it is very difficult for these people, because they leave kherson from the left bank, and many of them still go to kherson, because they have relatives there, but to the right bank, that is, they cover several thousand km there instead to drive there, relatively speaking, through the antoniv bridge there are several kilometers, so it is really very difficult, and people leave everything theyve earned in their entire life, and their. Now life, but after leaving, it literally fits into several suitcases, uh, and its really difficult, considering that these suitcases, they only have to take one the number that they will be able to. Carry through this corridor, and were there any provocations during such passage of people, i. E. These two, as you say, 2 km of bad road, were there any provocations from that side of shelling or Something Else for these two years . There was no, ugh, ms. Ekaterina, you are already partially answered this question, but we still want some details, who are these people, yes, how old are these people, where are they from, you said that they are from all regions, but most of them are from where, maybe you know, the reasons why they decided on this right now step, and not, say, two years ago, and those who have been under occupation for 10 years, then earlier, but look, people are coming from absolutely all regions, after the explosion of the kohol dam, we met about 150, 180, 200 people every day, it was our maximum number, and it was precisely. Kherson residents who were flooded, affected by flooding people, today the trend is such that, in principle, absolutely all regions, this is the zaporizhia region, and donetsk, and luhansk, and if we talk about the reasons, yes, for which people are returning right now, then in each, i can tell you, that everyone really has their own personal story, er, a story of survival, because its very difficult for people there, and mostly there are people. Of absolutely different ages, there are also families with children, there are also young people who want to study in ukraine, for example, they have either finished school or are already studying in the last classes and want to get an education in ukraine, and that is why support is very important for all these people when they return here, because they are told there that ukraine does not need you, you are a traitor to ukraine, why are you going where you are going and. Some some of them are really very scared, because if, as i say, it is announced to them from every iron, then they still have, well, if there is a certain fear, and therefore it is very important precisely in these first moments, when they are already in to ukraine, provide them, as the first such aid, urgent, yes, there it is food, rest, er, yes and provide them with assistance for their further integration into the new conditions of society for them, because. You have cases when, we understand, here are these people who have fallen either under the flood or under the fierce occupation now, but were they among those people who are returning now, people who have lived under occupation since the 14th year, that is, we specifically mean here the residents of donetsk and luhansk regions, have there been such cases that they have been under occupation for 10 years, and now they are finally returning, have you not met such, of course, of course, they exist, they exist every day, i am on this. I also emphasized that these are the donetsk and luhansk regions that have been under occupation since the 14th year, of course they exist, that is, terpets luz is also different, but i already said that everyone has their own reason, i cannot say that every person has she is one and all for the same child, everyone has their own special, personal story, and its not because people were waiting and then they were disappointed, believe me, its not like that, its not like that, but its very important. Thank you for what you do and thank you for answering our questions, Kateryna Arisoy was with us, director ge pluriton, sumy is actually where the only checkpoint between ukraine and russia is, and from russia you can only get to ukraine there, now, lets take a short break, then we will talk about the borders, but about the others, about the western ones, wait. 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So, this week in warsaw it was very revealing, but similar things also happened in other ukrainian diplomatic institutions in europe. A huge number, mostly men, came because they wanted to find out in some way whether they can still receive their documents, or whether they can apply to receive certain documents, because it turned out that. Ukraine simply stops providing services to ukrainians abroad until that moment , until they check and clarify their data in the tsc, and in order to to do this, you cannot be abroad, you have to physically take it, come to ukraine, do it at home and then return, if of course it is possible to return, how to return , close the border, well, i say, if of course, the song oneway ticket side jurtion arose. Honest discussion, its maximum, the temperature of the discussion was raised, the degree of boiling was incredible, since the order on consular institutions in. The country was signed by the deputy minister of Foreign Affairs, even more fuel was added to the fire by certain statements that were heard already from warsaw, in particular from the ministry of Foreign Affairs, said that they would assist ukraine in the return of defectors, but, well , they did not use such a term there, but those who fall under the law on mobilization, it was about how they would help, they did not say, after what two statements at the same time, these are from the lithuanians, who also said that they would see how they would do it in poland and maybe join this idea, and the germans, where ukrainians from poland most often move to, and the germans said that they would definitely do this not will be, so that the boiling point has increased by 100 degrees, the most outrageous, mr. Marko, congratulations. Congratulations, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, this version of the statement, which was that we will help return men of conscription age to ukraine, from the ministry of Foreign Affairs in poland, were there any specifics or something did you manage to find out, maybe they wrote something, maybe there were some comments, the way they are going to help, oh, best of all, the minister of defense, if he wanted to help ukraine, he would start. Missiles flying at our territory, the peaceful quarters of western ukraine are surrounded and then bombarded, this would be the best help, to join such cheap populism, i would think that we should not mobilize, the polish minister of defense will mobilize the ukrainians who are in poland, that they got into the ukrainian army, but it is real yes, yes, yes, yes, but it sounds. Really makes a lot of sense, of course , yes, it is, because there are no others, mr. Marko, it sounds absurd, because we understand that in fact, immediately after that, a statement was made from of the ministry of internal affairs of poland, that even ukrainians who do not have documents, not that their documents are expired, that they will still be helped and will be issued a passport for movement, it should be so. Contradicts another, well, you see, in the ministry of internal affairs, the minister is a representative of the peoples platform, the peoples platform, as we would say in ukrainian, in that party in the ministry of defense, the deputy Prime Minister is koshniak kamesh, a representative of the peoples party, which in such a concise union with the third way, that is. The third way, it is possible to say the same thing, and they also made such a statement, i think they didnt think a little bit, they wanted to know, but it turned out as usual, when you play cheap populist it always ends with both laughter and sin, and here we have both, and i would say, i would really recommend to minister kaminski that the polish army and vinca. With their friends start working on how to make shelters for polish citizens, because t