For example, a university, submit a document, you are a man, and you are not registered, walk down the street, and you will be stopped, you have to show your passport and military id that you are registered when we talk about some constitutional rights, we must take into account that these rights were adjusted due to martial law, and they were adjusted in principle in a legal way, because the Verkhovna Rada voted on restrictions on the rights of ukrainian citizens, such as emigration, movement, curfew. Secondly, as far as i understand, people are not denied Consular Services, and Consular Services are provided after being registered, that is , this is the idea, and i am different, i would talk about something else, to what extent this registration can be ensured, to what extent it can be ensured abroad the passage of the vlk, how it should look, that concerns me, and the fact that the citizen should. Register, this provision of the constitution has been in effect for two years, it, it has actually been in effect for two years, after february 24, 22 at 5 oclock in the morning, the president introduced martial law and signed a decree on general mobilization, because of this , the rule of the constitution began to operate, which says that all military servicemen must appear and update their data, well , military men, that is, in ccc to be registered, no, not to go into the trenches, but to be registered, and here i am just wondering what we are arguing about now, we are generally interested in the constitution in which there is such a rule, we are interested in the law, we are interested in the fact that our ministry of Foreign Affairs makes a decision based on a law that has not entered into force, and justifying it by a law that has not entered into force, mr. Mr. Danilo , i understand your, your expression, but i will explain to you. We currently have a law, it is valid, the law on mobilization, it is old, of Consular Services people. This law provides, it provides that everyone must be registered. And this law provides that a person must be registered. Please note that this law does not provide, it does not provide for violations for its, for its nonfulfillment. More. This law is based on a direct provision of the constitution, and in this case we are saying that we are now debating whether the constitution should be followed, or, for example, one can want to or not want to, but you understand, this is very much for me, we, we, in principle, do not talking about that, we have to talk about how to implement these laws so that it is comfortable, what do these norms look like, can they be implemented so that it is it is comfortable for a citizen, but to argue whether to comply or not is absolutely no. A deep act, and therefore, when, when the ministry of Foreign Affairs restricts something, let me tell you, listen, when you get a job officially, you have to put in a military ticket and stand on accounting, and this is also not actually provided for by any laws, please express, but your expression is now enough for all four of us in the studio, it is about the fact that people who were abroad as of 2016 in. 2017 there is no law, which obliges them to come to ukraine and register for military service and pass the vlk. If you can find me where it is written in the law, i will admit my mistake to you live, but please show me where it is written. Now we are talking about the fact that the ministry of Foreign Affairs made a decision based on a law that has not entered into force, and if you appeal to constitutionality. To legality, then this must also be taken into account. I understand that we are all very interested in the issue of justice and so on and so forth. But if we are in the name. Justice, lets reject the fact that the ministry of Foreign Affairs committed an absolutely unreasonable action from a legal point of view, then we will never come to justice, we will have mischief instead of justice, you understand, okay, i have to answer, two seconds, as far as i, as far as i i remember, mr. Danyla, we have an account. Registration in consular institutions has been in effect since the 22nd year, and it is valid, and all citizens who must be subject to the law on mobilization and the constitution, that law which has been in force since the 22nd year, and according to which almost a million citizens were mobilized, they were supposed to be registered, they simply did not do it, so when you tell me to show you something, look at what our consular. Consular, not military, okay, friends, its possible, we will now consider all your arguments, ms. Larisa, mr. Danilo, i also want to ask mr. Oleksiy to look at it from a different angle, because mr. Oleksiy, look what happened, i. E. , surely it was necessary to have some mechanism and clarification, probably we are as of this minute. Got the worst efficiency with the best intentions to get the men back, i doubt, sorry, i have, i have reason to say, i doubt that the intentions were good, there is a record of society justice, quite understandable and legal, the power in us instead of satisfying this request,. In a legal way, he is looking for ways to channel this request and this dissatisfaction, of course, directing dissatisfaction against the deputies is somehow not very good, because deputies are still needed, so they found a way to channel it in another direction, this is the first moment, the second moment, of course all this hysteria surrounding the fact that human rights are violated, what is the government doing, what is the opposition doing and Everything Else . This is also an element of russian ipso, because they are happy to promote this situation. I think the first thing to start with is to stop hysteria about it. Now, as to specific things, yes, in 22nd there were changes made to the mobilization laws, written in black and white, that people who are on legal grounds, of course, abroad, they should enlist in the army. Register with consular institutions of ukraine abroad, in the countries where they live. Questions to the ministry of Foreign Affairs of ukraine. What they did to organize this military accounting by law for these two years, nothing. Two years later, the ministry of Foreign Affairs, instead of implementing the law that is in force, begins to send out unknown letters about the law, which. Only comes into effect on may 18, and then it turns out that the ministry of Foreign Affairs is not even issuing documents has nothing to do with it, because it is handled by the dp document, and the government is urgently forced to adopt a resolution that simply simply regulates that the documents issued by the dp document are issued only on the territory of ukraine, that is, first we make a communication error, then we start feverishly issuing it . Trying to get it into legal channels and so on, there is a huge hysteria around this, our enemies are happy that we will get something out of it, but everyone inside has quarreled and continues to do it, so mr. Oleksiy, you have listened to all your arguments and here appears a completely logical managerial one, well, you are also a telemanager, that is, any manager knows that he is given several, for example, strategic ways to solve a problem, you can do it this way, you can do it that way, you can yes, and you can do it like this, but this is the worst, and once again, of all the options , the worst is chosen again in this matter, and here a question arises, is this the law of dinning kruger, or does someone deliberately always choose the worst in such sensitive matters solution, of course we can assume that someone this. Is being done on purpose, by someone, maybe gradually due to their own stupidity, but as i am interested in the result, what will we get as a result, will we be able to ensure. The implementation of the law that comes into effect on may 18, what will we get in the public thinking that we will get by solving our issues with the allies, because now we will also quarrel with the allies, that they alone say, yes, we will help, return the men, others say, no, it is human rights and so on, even with them lets argue about this, the question is that everything should be done rationally, of course, not everything happens the way we like it. We have seen that the same thing happens with our allies, with this american help is called, as in the anecdote about the white people, a wagon of onions and a hundred, remember, three president s, and or this phrase of churchills that the americans always make the right decision after no matter how wrong everyone tries, you have to draw conclusions for yourself so that you dont step on the same rake, in our country its a national way. And well, look here all of you, colleagues, gave our viewers all the right analytical markers, and it just seems to me that this machine, which was also picked up by russian propaganda and is being promoted, also has a continuation inside, and unfortunately, we will still reap the fruits much further, so what can you listen to, for example Mariyana Bezugla was a guest there in natasha mosichuk says if you dont want to be ukrainians, throw away your ukrainian passport, take another country, you are this combat unit of soviet people sitting somewhere far away and on youtube in a good russian way aristovych tells, lets throw away your ukrainian passports, dont go to the consulate, take russian ones, you understand, and that is, the machine is gaining momentum, and here it somehow already looks, so almost like with the law on updating the law. About the mobilization, that instead of a quick solution, it turns into a multipart series of scandals of cringe and stupidity, how to finalize it all, well, lets just put an end to this topic, which will continue, danylo, here is your opinion, ms. Larisa, your opinion, thats all one by one, its simple, how to stop it all, because really in the exhaust a large mobilization resource will definitely not be available after that. Look, this is difficult for me, well, come on, i ll say it later, okay, well, im just talking about the fact that im a good question, how to do it, how to stop russian parasitism on this topic, in my opinion, here we must remember what we are doing and why, because the law on mobilization, it had a purpose, why we made changes to this law, it needed the old law, it needed changes, because its implementation, its implementation, was quite difficult. And dangerous humiliating for a citizen, for example, you are mobilized, and as a result, you do not have a demobilization period, you are, you are mobilized, and if you did not serve, then what kind of public profession you did not have, you will still go there a soldier, that is, although you could be somewhere a logistician or something else, that is, these decisions, they needed to be eliminated, and that is why this law was adopted, the second point is that it is. A law, it contains sanctions for its nonfulfillment, and therefore it differs from the old law, which was very strict, humiliating for the citizen, because a citizen had no rights at all when he entered the army and no guarantees, but at the same time he, his noncompliance with this law was not punished in any way, this is a very strange story, so now we have to remember that all these consular things, all, we have all these changes, they should be aimed at the fact that. To make it easier for the citizen to fulfill the law and the constitutional duty, not to tell, but how to avoid it, but how to make it so, to pretend that we dont have a constitution, and we dont have military duty we dont have a state, we have to complete the task, we have to change people who are in the trenches, we have to ensure endless rotation, that is, this flow, because this war can be long, it can be 10, it can be more years. And we need to understand how to make sure that those who mobilize have a better chance of survival and know a clear timeline when they return home. Yes, i agree with all of this, danyla, but to put a full stop in an endless series, these are all the right things that mrs. Larisa said, this scandal definitely works in exactly the opposite . On the one hand, yes, uh, i mean, i really dont see in what way what is now uh. This new innovation there, let it be temporary on the part of the ministry of Foreign Affairs, in what way it can contribute to the fact that we somehow expand mobilization resource, yes, the number of people with ukrainian passports will be reduced, but understand, in fact, this discussion can be taken to such a philosophical and political level, because when we talk about the ukrainian nation as a whole, the ukrainian nation is it is an imaginary community, so everyone has their own idea and we as a group have an idea of what it means to be ukrainian, what it means to belong to this community. Notes and i ll tell you honestly, im not in order to somehow incite conflict and division here, but i dont quite understand what unites me in the same community with these men and women in the consul there in the dp document or in consulates and shout about what and what i should serve, and what my husband should serve, like go serve yourself, yes, yes, that is, this discussion is really important to us today. About what it means to be ukrainian, what it means to belong to the ukrainian nation, or to be abroad and really pretend that it doesnt concern you at all and that you have the right to demand only this or that, is this not a disqualifying sign in order to be called a ukrainian, and not by passport, but by beliefs, so again, i really would not like this discussion to turn into, you know, that . Such, excuse me, srach, into which it turns in us with mutual accusations of those who are abroad and from those who are abroad to us, and some kind of mutual nonacceptance, but we really need this discussion today, the one about what it means to be ukrainian when, uh, when we face the existential question of being or not being, so there is some benefit in because of what is happening now, if. To talk about it calmly, you can find, it seems to me, clear that if all this turns into simply destructive, then nothing good will come of it. Oleksiy, finalize it too, its just that i m listening to danylo and i remember, after the black terrorist attack on saturday in israel, we saw this huge phenomenon, a large number of israelis, and they, by the way, in my opinion, are in second or third place after the chinese as tourists around the world, they. From all corners flew to israel for the war, we had it in the beginning, we had it like that, but now look, and now thanks to all these actions, discussions, witnesses, oleksiy, we have the opposite option, that is , those, maybe , who wanted after all this, what happened after the warsaw events, can cause the opposite reaction in my opinion, yes it seems well, i wouldnt exaggerate, you know, a person wanted to defend the country, and then they watched a video from poland and came up with the idea, then i dont think that this is happening, but not all the yews swam over there, you understand that i dont, i am i think that there were too many people, well , probably, if there are two or two people, then this is too much, in principle, everyone has left, i understand, on some grounds, from my point of view, it should just be stopped. Enforce the law that is in effect now and enforce the law when it goes into effect on may 18, the new one, that amendments to the law, this is not a new law, yes, yes, that is, those who want to receive documents and have the right to cross the border can go to ukraine and take these documents, as far as i understand the decision of the cabinet of ministers, the ministry of Foreign Affairs, finally after this scandal joining hands, they will begin to create a system of registration of people who are abroad and can be registered, they are documents, many of them are, wait until they all run out of documents, this is also not an option, that is, this is the second moment, and the third moment , which came up during this discussion, is one a moment that is not paid attention to are citizens of ukraine who are now from 18 to 25 years old. They cannot be mobilized according to the new law, but they are not released from the country so that they, for example, receive education at universities. It is possible, of course, for patriotic reasons, to take all the students from the universities, return them to ukraine, and let them wait five or seven years until the time comes when they can mobilize, but i dont think that this is a rational way out, it seems to me that the deputies will have to sit down closely. To think and prepare some new amendments that would solve this problem. Until this problem is solved at the legislative level, everyone follows the existing law. It seems to me that this is the most constructive. Decided that there is one more topic this week, it is also resonant, but if we could analyze it together, colleagues, in a verdict from the point of view of a nonexistent in us, but such a Necessary Institution as the reputation institute, i want it, so that we through it , through this prism looked at these events that have been taking place in the last few days. And yes, investigators nabu of the National Agency for combating corruption is suspicious and tells us about the cunning schemes of the minister of agrarian policy around the state geocadaster, namely the plots that were supposed to go to the veterans of the ato, but there such a scheme took the plot under special conditions with a mandatory option, and then immediately transferred it to a longterm lease to a certain right company, well, in a word, for almost 200 m. Such a scheme describes nabu, after which we learn that this order of things is happening, the minister Mykola Solsky writes a statement, submits it to the Verkhovna Rada, further they choose a precautionary measure, everyone at that time says, my god, what a good minister we have, he acted in a european manner, only suspicion, he immediately wrote a statement, immediately suspended himself for the duration of the investigation, further. They choose to play everything for two months, or a deposit of 75. 5 million. Today we learn that the unknown heroes of ukraine made that deposit, and then the entire ministry says, no, everything is fine, minister Mykola Solskyi continues to fulfill his duties, and somehow all that europeanness fell, and the reputation of this institute already its not even visible, to me, this statement reminds me of a wellknown anecdote, you know. If i dont come back, consider me a communist, and if i come back, well, if i come back, dont think that solsky is connected with the agrarian lobby and