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ESPRESO July 3, 2024

About this growing dynamics of murders, but at the same time we must also understand that we simply do not have access to the territories where these dynamics will be demonstrated. From the territories occupied by russia, we really receive only fragments of information. One of the cities that Russian Troops occupied after february 24, 2022, yaskadovsk in the south of ukraine. In the fall of the same year, the occupiers killed 56yearold nurse Tetiana Mudrenko there. Natalia is tatianas twin sister. She hosts us in her sisters apartment in the city of dnipro. Remembers he says that in their youth they were very different in character, but outwardly very similar. Somehow, even tatianas boyfriend confused them. And he was in the army, he came. Zamiya, and she was not in the garden, i came, well, im visiting, i know him too, oh, tanechka, thats how they kiss the hand, im not tanya, but then, we had to calculate, but yes, yes, no, when the occupation began, natalya was with her sister in skadovsk, together they went to proukrainian rallies, then natalya was able to leave, her sister for. In october , natalya read in a closed group on facebook that tetyana was detained by security forces, together with her commonlaw husband anatoly. Soon the husband got in touch with her and said tanya was buried. And in my closed group, one person wrote that they strangled her, and then hanged her in front of the court, and. This guy was writing for me, he said, some acquaintance of his, too, dont tell him, nothing, they say, they cordoned off the area when they hanged her, rather they hanged her for dead, and then one girl told me, they went with a lawyer, they said, they have such a trick of fessniks, they first suffocate, and then they resuscitate, and you can see her , respect as a woman, such. In the death certificate of tatyana , the cause of death is indicated as mechanical asphyxia, i. E. , the womans suffocating grave, as well as Accurate Information about the circumstances of her death remains out of reach in the occupied territory of skadovsk. All natalya has is a photo of the place where tatyana is buried, and a guess as to why sister could be killed. She switched to the ukrainian language, although we studied in russian, well, we know ukrainian. So i say, she was part of a closed group, its just a proukrainian group, naskadost is ukraine, it was a closed group. This story is typical of the currently occupied territories, there is only fragmentary information about the killing of ukrainians, but their circumstances are shrouded in the darkness of the russian occupation, as well as their number, it is known only to the russians, if they count at all, but is it really the murder itself. Is the main criterion for that talk about genocide. The definition of the crime of genocide should be sought in international documents, in the Un Convention on genocide and. Roman statute. These definitions are the same. Genocide is an act committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group as such. Murder is the act of causing serious physical or psychological harm, creating conditions for the physical destruction of a group, preventing the birth of children, and forcibly transferring children from one group to another. So, there are not one, but five different ways of doing it genocide of the five ways of committing the crime of genocide described in the convention and in the roman statute, murder is only one of the ways, the other four are not related to murder, that is, these ways are not forms of murder, of course, and therefore it is not entirely correct to navigate and not it is quite correct from the point of view of how the convention and the rome statute are formulated to focus exclusively on murders. Although murder is only one of the five punishable acts, it is obviously the most important. Why, in the absence of killing a large number of people, it is very difficult to draw a conclusion about the intention to physically destroy the group. The terminology of the Genocide Convention speaks of the destruction of a group, but the jurisprudence, that is, the International Courts and tribunals that have applied it, have all taken the view that this is what it requires. Indeed , keislo inclines us to the fact that genocide should be aimed at physical destruction, but this keislo was formed on the basis or on the basis of specific cases, these are the cases from rwanda and the srebreniece cases. In other contexts, courts may be more nuanced in their assessment of the situation. For Eugene Finkel from the University Johns hopkins, in the ukrainian case , the main evidence of genocide is murder, on the contrary, is the act most distant from murder, defined by the Un Convention. The displacement of children is much stronger evidence of genocide than the killing of civilians. There is no military explanation. There is no strategic goal in taking thousands of ukrainians from their families and forcing them to become russians against their will. This is done only with the intention of making them cease to be. Russia is deporting thousands of children from ukraine from the territories it invaded and is raising them as russians. Some of them are orphans, some became orphans because of the war, while others have parents in ukraine who are impatiently waiting for their children to return. Thousands of children from the occupied territories of ukraine are in repurposed summer camps in russia. Russification is taking place here, it can be seen. The enthusiasm with which children talk about russia. Russian lessons, studying the Russian National anthem, daily performance of the Russian National anthem. This is indoctrination. And there is a revised story that they are forced to follow. About the fact that the russians called evacuation, the un says it should be considered an act of genocide. As of the beginning of 2024. The ukrainian authorities claim that almost 20,000 ukrainian children have been deported to russia. The russian authorities report as many as 700,000. One of them was denys barazhny. He was 17 when he was taken from occupied kherson to a childrens camp on the crimean peninsula, which russia has controlled since 2014. There were hundreds of children from the kherson region aged eight to 17. What russification looked like. He saw with his own eyes. After three weeks, they started to turn on russian the morning anthem directly, we didnt react to it at all, we just walked, like why, and then we started how to do it, we just took it, we agreed with our group of only 30 people that we just wont get up in the morning to the russian anthem. At all, the main person responsible for the ideological work with the children in the camp was a former employee of the ukrainian Law Enforcement agencies, a special unit of the ministry of internal affairs berkut, he often said that russia is better than ukraine, that if you Say Something on the territory of the camp in favor of ukraine, then you will leave home on foot, i often looked for ukrainian symbols or paraphernalia, if i went. I tore, burned, well, in front of everyone, it could be any paraphernalia, for example, that it was a flag, older children. Russification could be resisted in the camp, but valery stakhov had a great influence on the younger ones. The children, after talking with valery astaho, they didnt shut down, they started saying that russia is better and will take kherson and all of ukraine, but at first they didnt say that, they said that ukraine is fine. After months of struggle by denis berezhny was able to return to ukraine, to his parents. This is possible with a small part of the deported children, but tens of thousands of them remain in russia, where they gradually lose their ukrainian identity. Often they also resist russification. Some russians are annoyed by this. In an intercepted conversation of a russian soldier, his wife calls ukrainian children nazis. Do you know that these children tell our children that on may 9 at school they asked to draw, in short, it was for the holiday, they said, this its not our holiday, its children, our children at school say, and you know that they will grow up later, thats how it will be, these are nazis, these teenagers will be the same, i would, on the contrary , inject them with drugs and work to look them in the eye , she said, suffocate, suffer, i would also cut my nipples like that, i would cut stars on their backs, and in general , i would. Part of its public policy. Children, holy cause, we took them out of the conflict zone, saving their lives and health. They voice it surprisingly directly, they are not shy. This, honestly, i dont understand why, maybe they dont understand what theyre doing, i think they do, most likely they dont believe there will be any consequences, but there could be consequences. In march 2023, the International Criminal court issued a notice. The International Criminal court has issued two arrest warrants in connection with the situation in ukraine. For Vladimir Putin, president of the Russian Federation. And maria lvova bilova, authorized by the president of the Russian Federation on childrens rights, on suspicion of committing war crimes related to the deportation of children from the occupied territories of ukraine to the Russian Federation. The International Criminal court qualified the actions of putin and lviv and bilova as a war crime, but not as a crime of genocide. Why . Presumably, because International Courts and tribunals still traditionally tend to consider genocide through the prism of physical destruction. National, ethnic, racial or religious group. Children are not exterminated. Theory is that children who are moved from one group to another lose the identity of the first group and acquire the identity of the group to which they were moved. So its not, it doesnt qualify in a sense that the intent was to physically destroy the group. Courts have not yet made exceptions for. This, cases of forced displacement have never actually been considered by an international court, but should we rely only on case law if the definition of genocide in the Un Convention is much broader. I repeat, five ways of committing genocide, only one refers to direct physical destruction, all other four refer to indirect, then. When certain damages are given, or conditions are created, or deportation takes place, and it eventually leads to physical destruction, for example, physical destruction is the ultimate goal, but first we want to deport the children so that the group cannot continue to exist because in essence, this is reproductive, the reproductive chain will be broken, but if the crime of genocide needs to be proven in court, then Judicial Practice is important for the court itself. Not even murders or other actions described in the convention will be required, it is necessary to prove the intention to commit genocide, i. E. To destroy the ukrainian nation as such. The difficulty in proving genocide is rarely to prove the elements of genocidal intent. We have them. We have them when we consider the behavior of Russian Forces and russian agents in ukraine. And beyond. The difficulty of incriminating the crime of genocide is not to find the genocidal elements intention, in that these are essentially conclusions. That we make on the basis of facts, on the basis of conduct, they must be so convincing that we can rule out any other possible explanation. In order to prove genocidal intent, other explanations for russias actions in ukraine must be ruled out. How to do it . It is futile to hope to find materials like direct written orders to commit genocide. However, there are evidences of intent that no one even hides more. In the case of russian violence, i was surprised that they barely promoted it. They are very they openly talk, you know, about their intention to destroy ukrainians as a group, destroy ukraine, dismember people, kill millions, completely change identity. And this sounds from various sources, the state media, where everything that is said and that gets on the air is agreed in advance, approved and rigid. 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Erase the idea of ​​being ukrainian, then i agree with vika nulen, vika you are a genius, this idea must be erased from beginning to end, she has been poisoning peoples lives for 100 years. Now it comes to mind, ill say it again, to exterminate all living things in the Kharkiv Region down to a child, as a punishment, so that no one will suffer anymore. We have no other option but to eliminate this substance called ukraine, and this phenomenon called ukrainianness. There are no other options. Quite a lot from government officials. I mentioned medvedev before, in my opinion, his posts on twitter or telegram will be more than enough to put him in prison for many, many years. Dmitry medvedev, former president and the current head of the ruling party, and deputy head of the Security Council of russia, constantly fills social networks with genocidal propaganda against the ukrainian nation. Immediately after the discovery of the massacre in buch in april 2022, he wrote that ukrainianism is a fake. Medvedevs statements are consistent and persistent. Already in january 2024, he wrote existence. Ukraine is deadly dangerous for ukrainians, i mean any, absolutely any ukraine. Whoever is at the helm of the cancerous neoplasm called ukraine, this will not add legitimacy to his rule and legal capacity of the country itself. And therefore, the probability of a new collision will remain indefinitely. That is why the existence of ukraine is fatal for ukrainians. In june 2022, medvedev even. Explained why he writes in this way, this explanation is amazingly frank. I am often asked why my posts in telegram are so harsh, i answer i hate them, they are bastards and bastards, they want the death of russia, and as long as i live, i will do everything to make them disappear. So, in the case of ukraine, look at the state media, look. Its what they say government officials who determine security policy, and youll have more than enough material to work with. So it seems to me that establishing intent in this case would not be a problem at all. Of course, propaganda and racist provocative statements are evidence of genocidal intent. But courts are usually reluctant to give them much importance. It is not so easy to distinguish between hatred and crime. No hate speech and crimes with genocidal intent. To answer your question could this be evidence of genocidal intent . Yes, of course it can. Moreover, even specific words used by russian officials and propagandists can indicate genocidal intent. The use of dehumanizing terms is also one of the examples of what may suggest the existence of genocidal intent. In every conflict. They were their own, for example, during the holocaust , jews were called rats, in rwanda, tutsi were called cockroaches, we see this in ukraine, in fact, the term is more veiled, more so cunning, i mean this fight against nazism with by the nazis, which was apparently deployed by the Russian Federation, marking ukrainians as nazis, nazis, the Russian Federation essentially denies the right to exist to ukrainians. A significant part of ukraine, the ukrainian. Race, certainly not all, i hope not even the majority, were caught up in this madness of nazism. The destruction of the nazi state of ukraine, there can be no other victory, and our president understands this. We will strive for the demilitarization and denazification of ukraine. Studies have shown that on the day of russias invasion of ukraine, february 24, 2022 year, the number of references to nazism and nazis increased explosively in russian materials. About ukraine. It happened so suddenly that it was clearly a coordinated campaign. In the russian media, ukraine has become a nazi state, and any patriot of ukraine is a nazi. People who identify themselves as patriots of this chimera are bastards. People who fight for it are criminals. These things are straight enough for me to talk about. After all, about calls for genocide. We must a

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