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ESPRESO July 4, 2024

Weapons, lets be honest, the Democratic Administration has not made this decision before, even though we showed the same thing to them and explained how it was wrong not to do it, under donald trump it was done, i was in those negotiations, i was there directly together with the president of ukraine and the minister of Foreign Affairs, that is, it was this one conversation and especially lethal weapons, this unspoken embargo was overcome precisely by donalds decision. Trump, no matter how much he might be there and doesnt want it right away, so, you know, lets not put any stamps on everyone, and joseph biden, for some reason, everyone started writing it off, well, ukrainian commentators, that s already donald trump, but why . In general, i believe that the result is completely unpredictable, moreover, lets look at the congress, the elections on november 5 this is completely the house of representatives going through. A third senate, and without the senate, without approving positions, no president can implement his Foreign Policy or serious matters in the field of international communication, that is, there are a lot of issues, and i assure you that there will be a lot of changes. We will wait for the results of the elections, really, because we already had such an experience in ukraine that some comments that were not acceptable for one of the. Parties in the race, then we simply did not respond well, and we must remember this too. Lets talk about Emmanuel Macron, because Emmanuel Macron during the last month has demonstrated the ability, or lets say the desire, to be one of the leaders of the newest europe, or the leader of the european continent. And he talked a lot about the fact that Russia Threatens europe, he met with the leaders of 20 European Countries and talked about what is happening now on the european continent, what is happening in ukraine, but at the same time, macron met with the heads of french Political Parties , and today the french press writes that they discussed with the french president the possibility, or him words that the French Military contingent may end up in ukraine. What the press writes, referring to fabien roussel, the leader of the communist party in france, says that he says that Emmanuel Macron mentioned a scenario in which he can initiate an intervention, in particular, the advance of the front towards odesa or towards kyiv, that is, judging from what fabien roussel said, macron does not rule out intervention. Of the french army on the territory of ukraine, if the russians will attack odesa and kyiv, this is what macrons latest public statements mean, that is, the president cant france accidentally mentions about sending a military contingent there in different speeches in different places, that is, it is clear that he has some kind of position, he just hints at this position to putin. I will tell you that it was not a secret for me, i think that what was clear to us was that the countries of the European Union nato could face a russian provocation and even an attack on their territory, and even though the war with ukraine continues, we, our heroic warriors, men and women, are holding back these hordes, but i believe that. Bravery, and not 35 years, as their intelligence there, or the ministry of defense say, much faster and maybe even during such a positional war, such conditions can be created. Precisely to the enemies of russia, to show the inability of the nato countries and the European Union to respond to the eastern flank, therefore sagging is certain in america, and here is the signal that we heard a long time ago, not now, but sometime in october , that there will be a delay, they heard in europe immediately, and immediately asked questions, then serious conversations took place behind closed doors, well lets say not public, about also how to react and. And here we are already seeing the political consequences of those conversations of experts, that is, now in these political conditions, the first thing is actually already accepted as a consensus that there is such a threat, it is very serious and may very well be in the coming years, this is the first on the part of russia, the second is that europes responsibility is growing, so europe must wake up and take concrete steps in the field of defense and arms production and. Help, well in this case help to ukraine, well, its own , to increase its arsenals, and so on, i. E. First of all allocation, first of all, how much money is allocated for this, and thirdly , it is competition, well, is it such a good competition for the leadership of both countries and political figures in this particular area, that is why Emmanuel Macron took such a step in advance, gathered the heads of state in paris on february 26. And on march 7, precisely the defense ministers of these 28 countries, plus i understand the secretary general of nato and the head of eu Foreign Policy, jose borel, and they, with the participation, by the way, of the ukrainian side, they want to speed up and intensify these efforts here, and very a lot indeed politically, Emmanuel Macron is currently taking a lot of such measures before his visit to ukraine, so i hope that. Olaf scholz will not lag behind in this regard either, and we do receive his leadership decision to provide ukraine with taurus missiles. The bundestag accepted such a proposal, the military, as i understand it, also do not see such drastic counterresponses there, so the question of the chancellor of germany is behind him, and it should not be the traditional competition between the historical and france, germany, in principle continues somewhere, but they are together allies in the eu and in nato, but this is the competition to really achieve leadership in security in europe, because the russian war against ukraine is not only about ukraine, unfortunately, it is happening here , but this is an ultimatum to europe, an ultimatum to nato. And the last thing, why is this happening, the euroatlantic competition, also dont forget that france at one time,. Somewhere there, got out of some of natos military instruments, tried to be one of the active founders of the western European Union, there was such an organization that had to, well, essentially become an alternative to nato on the european continent, it did not reach this without the usa and canada, this organization has not existed since 2011, so i think that the second stage. This is exactly the conversation between Emmanuel Macron and joseph biden, i have no information about the plans for such a visit or meeting, but i have no doubt that after in the near future, i think such a meeting, it is absolutely logical, because chancellor olaf scholz was in washington , and perhaps new transatlantic points will be considered there, because the ramstein format without additional packages of the us military. To be honest, it is not so bright now, because they always started with american aid, but there will be no alternative either, because without the United States, without its power and the amount of weapons, types of weapons, it will not be possible to do this either, but all these statements by the leaders are a good sign, you mentioned olaf scholz and the decision of the bundestag regarding longrange missiles and. But at the same time the minister of defense of the federal republic of germany Boris Pistorius says that longrange missiles will not be decisive for the conflict in ukraine, and germany is not going to cross that line, and it seems that pistorius and scholz are being pushed to such a position by the russian intercepted conversations of the german military, which discuss a possible missile strike taurus on the crimean bridge, does this story, the spy story with the intercepted conversations, records of the german position and how much will they. Restrain themselves in handing over the tauruses to us . It would be strange if this the story influenced the position of germany, rather it influenced the dialogue between the allies to ensure the secrecy of information, i. E. The opportunities for the russians, intelligence agencies and others to remove this information, this is the main thing that happened after this conversation was leaked there, and the second moment, which is very positive, that they are there. If it is true, if this conversation is true, then there are very correct, specific things being said, of a purely technical nature. Now regarding, if they say that taurus missiles can be used there in crimea, im sorry, so what . In us, ukraine observes all export control regimes, a sovereign country has the right to receive weapons from other countries, the more so the right with. The provision of the un charter, which germany is a member of the un, that is, ukraine also supports an even greater role for germany, so these missiles, when they , or other weapons that are already in our hands in ukraine, they are already our property, they are not the property of germany, so if there are concerns about providing some kind of Technical Support there, this can be resolved by training. Trainings, it is firstly, secondly, sorry , again, there were several arguments, then something would fly over moscow, then they said let the americans provide atakams, the americans provided atakams, well , i hope they will think now and make another package where there will be longerrange atakams. Then, well, just what questions do you have, you are afraid of russia, you are afraid, well, they will come to you, if you continue to pull, then these are. Rockets, daggers, thats all, no, not those Nuclear Weapons, what scares you there, the mosquitoes scare you, no, but all these drones will fly to you, and where are these rockets flying that are hitting sumy now, in kharkiv, in odesa, in zaporizhzhia, in kherson, that is, you want to avoid this, you will not avoid it, you have a unique opportunity now to concentrate efforts for ukraine on its territory, this is a tragedy for us, but we have every right to do so and. At least no one forbade us , not even on our territory, we can respond to attacks from the outside as well, well, we didnt, we didnt say anywhere, and they know it very well, that ukraine is not trying to capture moscow, will not try to advance there to leningrad, no, but sorry, but if you us now you do not support us with such a cynical, very cynical position, and i do not agree with the german minister of defense that it is possible. Missiles alone will not change, but if there are several hundred atakams, a hundred taurus, there will be f16, there will be all the means, and there will be motivation for ukrainians to stand in defense not only of ukraine, but of europe , and if not, im sorry, you will have them, i dont want to publicly say what these countries will face then, that is, they understand it perfectly, thats why politicians lag behind from their development, very much seriously, they are behind. Certain lags, and germany needs to leave this completely phantom fear in the past. Mr. Valery, against the background of how europe is trying to concentrate, now to gather and give answers to the questions that may appear before them very soon chinas special representative for eurasia lihui, he came and made a tour and he was in europe. Went to kyiv, spoke with ukrainian officials and spoke, among other things, about the future of ukraine and russia, they have this peace plan, with which they always, which always articulate, but on the eve of this visit to kyiv, the ministry of Foreign Affairs of china announced the strengthening of russias friendship with china, and the head of. The ministry of Foreign Affairs of china, wang yi, said this, and he said that we are ready to create, work on the creation of new driving forces of cooperation, lets hear what he said. As key leading countries of the world and permanent members of the un security council, china and russia have developed a new paradigm of relations between major countries that differs from the outdated approach. Semicold war, based on the rejection of blocs, no confrontation and without targeting any third party, china and russia strive for longterm good neighborliness. And friendship, deepening comprehensive strategic cooperation. China is willing to cooperate with russia for further development, creating new driving forces for cooperation and steadily strengthening the foundation of friendship between the two peoples. Does the statement mean, mr. Valery, that china is still ready to support russia, which is waging an aggressive war against ukraine . There were several. I understand the position, i just dont know, well, how can it be with such a position as a mediator there speak, it is difficult to understand here, because after all, there is an obvious imbalance in the attitude towards russia and ukraine, even from the same reports in kyiv, when lihuevas met the representative of eurasia, china and exactly who is involved now, as you said, in all these trips, that is, there. The ukrainian crisis sounds in official reports, well , that is, well if, lets start at least with a phrase of recognition of the fact, what is happening, and then we can talk about something further, because if china will say that this is the ukrainian crisis and to ignore the dead children and women of ukraine from russian missiles, then im sorry, but what can we talk about then, i think that our participants in this conversation are unlikely to have succeeded in changing chinas position, maybe china was just probing Something Else entirely, or is ukraine ready to give up its position . It is in the interests of china, and it is very difficult now, because china, unfortunately, uh, does not change this line, although it is constructive to prevent this rattling of Nuclear Weapons by russia and threats, i dont know, why not in this way you can talk about the question. Well, it was talked about, but still achieving a result on the zaporizhzhia plant is the absolute seizure of a Nuclear Facility, this is something that china absolutely does not tolerate, and it would be a huge step forward if russia were forced by joint efforts not to use the Nuclear Facility that had just been seized stations in europe for such military purposes, so in principle i do not expect chinas position to change yet, but. To the extent of the change in the situation at the front and the increase of ukraines capabilities and the decrease of russias, i am sure that china will too will also be forced to adjust its position. You already mentioned another statement by vanya, you probably meant peace negotiations, now we will also listen to what the minister of Foreign Affairs of china said about possible peace negotiations, as he says, between ukraine and russia. In the ukrainian issue, china has always maintained an objective and fair position and has repeatedly sent special envoys to mediate. The president of the peoples republic of china xijin ping personally held indepth communication with the leaders of various countries, including russia and ukraine. All that we are did, aimed at one goal to pave the way and build bridges for the cessation of hostilities and the holding of peace negotiations. Says that the official beijing started talking with the beginning of the great war about the fact that there are two sides, they should sit down at the table for negotiations, but there was no statement from the chinese side that russia should leave the territory of ukraine, and this is mediation , which they propose, what is it connected with, why they dont want, they dont want to fight with russia, they uh. They want russia to wear itself out in the war with ukraine with, well, our western partners who are helping us, that is, why is china reacting so passively to it . Well, look, this is a very deep topic, i will not be responsible for china, i will only say one thing, if someone thinks that in china, and somewhere else, they will press ukraine. If ukraine were to be forced to give up part of the territories to russia, which russia declared to be theirs, well, captured and currently occupied there, and to make peace on that, as they say, then this frees the hands, in many respects, not only of china, solve the conflicts that china has, including, are not yet military, but they are a force method, if we assume that such. It will be recognized that it is possible to force a sovereign country through various forceful efforts, military, precisely such a violation of all rules. Of the un charter, well , in essence, annexation, and it can be recognized in such conditions, well, then the same actions will unfold in other parts of the world, so i dont think that they want to fix the right of force in this way, well, i hope that just in they have a position of advantage for china, now they have russia, they use russia as they want , and you know, this is an advantageous position, such a russia that is weakening, that gives them everything economically, gives them a passage to the arctic and everything that is now given to china, as a vassal, as its suzerain, to them it is profitable, so why, i think so, on their part, why are they in a hurry , lets wait a little longer, that is, we will have our economic results, but for the ukrainians , for me, this is a rather cynical position, although i want to say. When something was happening in other parts of the world, and we looked at it that way it is far from us, and as it corresponds to our interests, here it can be recognized that each country has its own national interests, its own vision, but in this matter, i would like to remind you that after all, china, if it was not a direct guarantor under the butopezhsky memorandum , then the statement was made then, but the same vani. Of chinas Foreign Policy, he said in munich, replied that these commitments do not concern chinas attack on ukraine with a nuclear attack. It seems to me that such statements, they very much change the truth of what is now, because from the point of view, well, you can of course give your own assessment of the legal one, but it is so cynically dry to talk about a hot war in europe that may pass. To south asia, and with great probability could have

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