And people were provoked, a family comes to us, we say, look, we initially offered, vytrovych also offered in good to do this, and then it all went into the space of political speculation, because part of the parliament introduced a draft law for the bullpen, the bullpen, and the council voted, but the president did not sign it, and they are calling me to tell me in more detail, they are calling me from the president s office and they ask, but i am at the front, we. Are Still Standing under orichov on the zaporizhzhia road, i could pick up the phone, because we have a starlik, i pick up the phone, i cant speak now, we are leaving here on combat duty, the president is calling her , asks what is the problem with the bullpen, because part of it the law came, and some experts say that there are caveats, ask the National Memory institute, they will pass it on to me, i will tell you, well, here you are, i show you as many as five or six points that are risky, and they, well, the president says, well so correct, and why this was not taken into account before, is a logical question. And it turns out that the parliament has voted, and he , as a person who understands that this will be a disaster, that we may be stuck there for another five years or however long, and then the issues of changing the place and place for this cemetery are initiated, return to the good, which we immediately and offered, and thank god the parliament votes in favor of this plot, which is in support of the governments decision in gatny, but what struck me is that more than 300 deputies will support it, we, i personally included the minister of agriculture. Got involved, because it is a question of land and the allocation of land there, and we went to the factions and explained, well , almost all the deputies voted, except for some, except for one faction, because it became part of the political such a bad situation, because some deputies said that the president does not respect the parliament that does not want to to sign the bullpen, they believe that the president did not sign the bill that was initiated by the opposition political force, which they said, yes. No, they said, the president does not respect the parliament, because he should have signed the bullpen, because the parliament voted first for him, he can cancel it, revote there, and this made the political situation very ugly, and well, we went around these factions, they said, well, come on , you wont bring this into the plan , well, if the opposition with the government should always to be, but i say, lets not be here, and the majority of the opposition forces, well, a large part of them agreed and did not discuss it , and well. In such a bad way and voted for the good thing, well, and some did not, well, i am against it again in my opinion, no one voted there, people abstained, but, well, this is, you know, a case that says that very often we cannot cross the line because of political ambitions, even in such very important issues, the Prime Minister gave an engagement to in six months this 24th year to build the first sector, the first sector, and now there are many questions to, i i see that you just recently included in. In the design discussion typical additions, and in general now there are many questions and discussions about how it should look, what it will be like in terms of architecture and design, what kind of space it will be, or can you tell in a few words what the idea of this large space itself, the space of the Memorial Cemetery, means, the law provides that it should be a large object. In what sense is big . There should be a museum that tells about the history of warriors in general, the place itself, which is very consistent with the memorial that you asked about at the beginning, a museum that will tell about what wars ukraine fought in certain times and how and why this particular place of memory represents various fighters for the actual freedom of ukraine, and it including, of course , a large part of this museum will be dedicated to the modern war, because, well , unfortunately, it is the majority of places in. The shelter, although it was not originally planned that way, but of course it will be for the people who died, or later after the victory, they will live peacefully and die and have the right to be buried, thats it a museum, respectively. What should be the next story memorial, memorial, a big national memorial, which actually honors all the dead and who fought, its just a memorial place, then there should be a big crematorium, because we dont have enough crematories, a city crematorium, eh in kyiv, it cant withstand the load, the infrastructure is old, its generally old technologies, they need to be restored, accordingly, this crematorium will also better serve this cemetery itself, plus it will help. With infrastructure, it is further assumed that that there are large spaces of columbariums, yes they will be , accordingly, modern, there will be a technical, administrative building, an archive that will keep a list of those people, maybe even production workshops where they will be made, because the military Memorial Cemetery will have a special, well, a specific system, and according to the decree, the cabin is regulated, which will not be there, you know, how often now there is a boy somewhere there. Sits in a statue with a guitar, and there is some colorful obelisk somewhere, and there the head is half, well, actually, this is already the beginning of the discussion about this, that some families say no, we want bury the way we think, and the tombstone monument is the same, the way they want, look, the military Memorial Cemetery is a disciplinary space, clearly limited by the requirements, according to the best world models, brevity, standardization, any family does not obliged to hide in the military. Any family has the right to choose whether to be buried in any cemetery of their community in the sector of military burials, where it is convenient, or in a military Memorial Cemetery, if in a military Memorial Cemetery this is, for example, if a person, for example, with simferopol, the family of a son or daughter who fought for the independence of ukraine died, a person can choose to bury at home, or at the cemetery in the sector, or the military Memorial Cemetery, there are pros and cons, the pros are near the house conveniently and do what. If you choose, it will be in the center of the country, in the very heart, and why is kyiv convenient, because it is more convenient to go from all of them, because it is in the center of the country, but there is a minus, you will not be able to, for whom it is a minus, for whom it is a plus, you will not be able to go there do what you want, but on the other hand, it will be a beautiful space like arlington. , tell us about what these options are . There are two options for the details , now, and we insist on them, and the architect, and most of the people who are at the round table, as far as i got the impression, also support them, these are, roughly speaking, two options for heating, the first, which is chosen by the family, first variant, the main one is the cossack cross, actually the famous cossack cross, if we look at the tradition of the burial of howls. In ukraine , the tradition of burying a soldier under a cossack cross is more than 500 years old, this is a very important tradition, and odesa, cherkasy, kyiv, ternopil, vinnytsia, find an old cemetery 200300 years old, there will be a cossack cross everywhere, and for us, for example, in principle, the cossack cross should be the main memorial figure of the gravestone, the gravestone figure in this cemetery, because not all countries have a history of 500 years, and we have a specific memorial tradition. Tion of soldiers, burial under the cossack cross, and it is, for example, extremely important for us to preserve this, that is, it is no longer a religious meaning, but simply a cultural meaning, yes, it is much more than about religion, many people, well, atheists, well or not very good, lets say, not very orthodox christians, but they were still buried under cossack crosses, very mocked, vakhtan boiled, an outstanding ukrainian historian and popularizer of history, he even researched in exile cobblestone one of the cemeteries where a lot of military, ukrainian, unrt armies are buried there. He says that even there, after examining more than 70, about 70 of all crosses in america, no one is free space, where there were no restrictions, all people chose the cossack cross more than 70 . Accordingly, this is the first form of the memo , but there is also, but this cross is cut out, first a flat slab is cut out, and in. Further from this slab, the cross stands out, but if for people who do not practice christianity, or for whom it is essential not to be buried under with a cross, they will not have a cross carved from this plate, there will be just the same flat plate that is similar in shape, and on it will be depicted either a religious symbol, i dont know the crescent moon, the star of david, a buddhist symbol, that is, of that religion, or just the coat of arms of ukraine, if a person, for example, is an atheist in principle, and accordingly the whole cemetery will have ot. Two such options for a tombstone, and the person himself will choose, accordingly, no problem, uh, someone says, it will not be very nice, i do not agree , this question can also be solved, because according to the outline of the plate a cross is cut out, they will be stylistic in principle. There will be no problem, that is, we are solving this issue, it is important for us that we cannot abandon the memorial tradition, which is more than 500 years old, well, this is a very important thing, it is the same as if you create a Large National memorial repository, which should record the traditions military victory and memorial and burial and score. Cossacks, well, this is simply unacceptable. We literally have 30 seconds left, so you said whether or not the work has already started and when we have shall we have this this space complete . Well, the best answer would be from the ministry of veterans affairs, because it is theirs, they have a state institution that deals with this, as far as i know, the work has started, there are already visits there , well, research has been carried out on the territory of geology, there is already a sketch project, and there is currently working on documentation and are preparing, as far as i know, they are preparing the site for construction works, but it is better to ask the minvet, it is them, anton, thank you for the conversation, anton drubovich, it was a conversation about how to remember, we honor the memory of heroes, glory glory to ukraine and ours heroes, i congratulate you, this is svoboda live on radio svoboda. We have already come to the snake itself. The following shots may shock you. News from the scene. Live drone attacks, kamikaze. Political analytics, objectively and meaningfully. There is no political season. Exclusive interviews, reports from the hottest points of the front. Shot. Freedom of life, frankly and unbiased. You draw your own conclusions. Watch this weeks judicial control with tatyana shustrova in the program. Doubtful fortunes, sham divorces and attempts to escape qualification assessment, which is what judge pavlo gorbasenko is known for. My mother gave me two apartments and a car. But why is the head of the state court of the kyiv region hiding from journalists . Regardless of the workload , we agree to accept you someday. Congratulations. Judicial control is on the air. Institutional rebooting and personnel renewal of the judiciary based on the norms of professional ethics and integrity is the basis of the judicial reform currently underway in ukraine. Its successful implementation is the main requirement for our further path to the eu. However, to what extent successful transformation and whether the moral and professional qualities of justice officials meet high standards. Lets talk today, but first to the news. Vitaly snigirov, a former judge of bryankiv city court of Luhansk Region, who betrayed his oath after the start of the war and went over to the side of the enemy, was leaked to the russian fsb by the russian fsb on the data of active ukrainian judges and military personnel. According to the investigation materials, snigiryov contacted an fsb employee and sent him photos and Contact Details of his former colleagues, as well as information about Ukrainian Military personnel and their relatives. On july 22 , snigiryov sent to beshnik, a photo of a ukrainian soldier who was captured by the russians, stating that he is the father of a major of the armed forces of ukraine and sent his photo with his mobile phone number and place of service. Vitaly snigerirov left for russia in the 20th year, received citizenship there, and the state Court Administration in the Luhansk Region paid snigerovs salary for more than two years. In total , he illegally received almost uah 2 million. Snigerev was informed of the suspicion of fraudulent appropriation of funds in particular large scale and high treason. Finally , after two years of the liberation war. Nataliya sharko, a collaborating judge from the kherson region, was sent. Even at the beginning of the fullscale invasion, she sided with the occupiers and makes illegal decisions against the citizens of ukraine. Recently, the judge arrested the ukrainian lenur khalilov, whom the russians accuse of allegedly participating in an illegal armed formation. The judge has been working for the occupiers for two years, but until recently she was not fired and received her salary from the budget of ukraine with all allowances. And only now, when the judge did not appear for the interview for the third time, the Supreme Court of appeals recommended. The Supreme Council of justice should release her. The Higher Qualification Commission of judges continues to assess ukrainian judges for their suitability for the positions they hold. Not everyone passes the test, but especially the resourceful servants of themis, while the Qualification Commission decides whether they can perform Legal Proceedings at all, they apply for a competition to another court in parallel, and suddenly it works. This is pavlo gorbasenko, head of the Economic Court of the kyiv region. He is one of the most scandalous judges and one of newer people of kyiv region. Currently, gorbasenko is waiting for a decision from the Supreme Court of appeals, will he continue to sit in the judges chair . Last year in december, the commission postponed the final decision on gorbasenko and expected additional explanations from him. And documents, the adopted decision is announced, in fact, the decision about the meeting, because there are several points, several points in connection with which the commission cannot wish to make a decision. While the Higher Qualification Commission is waiting for Additional Information from pavlo gorbasenko, that decided not to waste time, submitted documents for participation in the competition for the position of a judge in the Northern Commercial court of appeal. In this way, you can get a promotion and reset some facts of your personal and professional biography at your previous place of work, and gorbasenko spams the prosecutor general and the Supreme Council of justice with complaints and complaints about alleged interference in his work. In fact, he is banally trying to justify himself, because the highest quality of the commission received appeals about his alleged noncompliance with the qualification criteria due to errors made during the consideration of cases. It is about one of the enterprises of Critical Infrastructure at. Bylotserkivsk thermal power plant. The shareholders insist that in the pad case, the judge made many unjust decisions, took measures to secure the claim by suspending the effect of the decisions of the general meeting of shareholders of the company, which owned significant assets. In another case, judge gorbasenko took the same measures on a statement that was signed by the defendants representative and is still considering one statement of claim. Again, it is not signed by the plaintiffs, but for some reason by a representative of the defendant. Northern commercial court of appeal. Bound the decisions made by gorbasenko, so the shareholders believe that the judges actions have signs of raiding and illegal interference in Economic Activity and have reported this to the Higher Qualification Commission of judges, which must decide whether the judge will continue his career. Instead , gorbasenko decided that the appeal of the shareholders to the vkk is nothing more than interference in its activities. From the message of pavlo gorbasenko on interference in the activity of a judge. I consider it necessary to report the interference in my activity as a judge. Regarding the administration of justice, as well as contempt of court. In fact, spamming higher authorities, the Prosecutors Office and courts with complaints and lawsuits is a common practice for gorbasenko. In the odious District Administrative Court of kyiv, he challenged the negative conclusion of the Public Council of virtue. Then he tried to challenge the decision of the vkk itself in the Supreme Court. Experts regard these actions as a simple attempt to evade the qualification assessment. The judge provided known truth or false information. Ingenious, interesting, qualification assessment for a position in the Northern Commercial court of appeal, he will avoid in the same way . For answers, we go to pavlo gorbasenko. The working day is in full swing, so as the presiding judge, he must be on the job. To court. They dont let us in