Of the most important figures in the history of ukraine, and this list should be formed according to they have care. It seems to me that there is such a term in modern legislation people with special merits to the state, they have there, they have a whole procedure for free burial, there is the creation of some kind of memorial, but it should be, you know, no longer about party members, new parties, new highranking officials, namely about people of this level. Well, because with all due respect, none of them are representatives of the highest states, the highest officials of independent ukraine, well, with the rare exception of some super cool dissidents who did for these founders of this republic, well, it does not reach the level , accordingly, the grave has a bump here or there , mykolaychuk will be such that it is visible, accordingly, it should have been a state program, but i assure you, as soon as we sew, for example, such a program from ourselves, the ministry of finance he will tell us, no additional expenditures of the state budget are foreseen. Goodbye, and it must be political will, it must be fundamental, because it must, for example, like our war on the information front, for example, i often argue, but Pavlo Kazarin says, there is no war in the sphere of culture, it is not that there is no front , yes, an informational corner, i do not agree here, there is an informational front and a front in the sphere of culture, because there are top platforms where we can win in the sphere of culture, and this is a war, in the sphere of culture, we have been at war with russia for a long time, the same in information, and here, for example, every year we need to have a few Million Dollars in the budget for retranslations of such books as those by larisa yakubova, which examines this anatomy of racism, or by elena styashkina or the same snyder translations into other languages except english there to chinese, indian , and so on, that is, hindi, and we have to have it, because if it is not us, then no one will do it, accordingly, this is a specific program, specific funds, it is not some kind of big money, this is how it should be, but the society must come to its deputies, whom you elected in. For their jacket, you submitted, you submitted this item to the state budget, or the institute of remembrance of us submitted, why did you not support, what did you find on the committee there on yourself jacket until you knock out this item, but most citizens are busy with other things issues, other deputies are busy, and the deputies are busy with other issues, we have to occupy this state at last, use it for the good of this same state, and regarding the political will of the Political Class and also regarding why we as citizens do not take the Political Class by the coattails and do not say, did you do it . I remember the speech of svitlana aleksievich, when she received the nobel prize, she came here, met, i think, it was in mohylianka, with students, and she then said Something Like this that the postgenocide nations, they, she, she said so that we very easily step over our fallen, because of the fact that there were so many of them, yes, there were so many millions of them, that we are used to, she spoke about. Soviet people, yes, but now i am asking you about postgenocide nation of ukrainians, isnt that why we dont abuse our politicians, and why, and why, isnt that why we go about our business, because we are a postgenocide nation, or is it somehow related to the fact that we dont respect heroes enough . I think there are at least three reasons, and maybe there are better specialists than me, maybe more will be named, the first reason is that it is possible for us to realize how many. There could be such people, that is, to even approach this topic, not in the sense that we are used to transgressing, or we begin to understand that as soon as we touch of this box , more, more, more will appear , and in the end we will have to realize how many such people are lying all over the space of modern ukraine and the soviet union, that is, this is a certain system of warning of fear, one, two, after all, it is necessary to give, well, it must be admitted that 9 years, it was very difficult in economic terms a time when people really survived, well, that is , families, good families, who should first of all become the conscience of this nation, well , they were forced to sell pants in. Stadiums in order to survive, and accordingly in such, you have three children there back, and there is such a situation that there is no payment for 5 months for three months, and at this time you simply cannot, psychologically , it is difficult for you to go and tell someone something about someones graves, if your children are not fed, this is the second reason, well, the third reason, this helplessness cultivated by the soviet system, because it was imprisoned on the fact that a person did not interfere in these matters, he could quietly take care of himself, that is , the space of civil responsibility of a soviet person had to end with his door, the door of his apartment maxim, well , the state is a foreign one, we could not take over a foreign state, this is even it sounds abstract, the entrance is someone elses, thats why there is always no care, and only now, when we gradually created osb, created some forms, when we built a relationship with private property in a slightly different way, we began to expand a little, then together with our neighbors we cleaned. Entrance, further they began to plant flowers around apartment buildings, then decentralization, we began to feel the community there, for example, go to the village and feel how the community works, there, well, besides the fact that there is a wonderful head who works on it, but little by little it is being built, you know, its mine, its ours , its common, it, and accordingly, until it happened, its some other peoples graves, someone elses family, and since i have a border, its a door, a border of a safe space, a border where i know for sure that i can influence. Nothing will happen for it, these are my doors, my apartments, and sometimes not always, sometimes it is not so, that is, these three factors will definitely have an effect, and understanding this, working with this, changing it little by little with concrete examples that the state should encourage, it cannot do everything, the state never, never , no state will have enough money for this, but she must show an example, say do it like this, i bless it, i support it, but she will not do it, a closed circle, until we, as citizens, begin to demand it, representatives of state power, that is us. They are the same as me, for example, in 2019 i was not a representative of the authority, i went to this competition on my own and got into this system, and i understand, but this is the right way, i will cross myself, i will resign, someone next should come and say, yes, friends, not on myself, not on my bunch of people there, my community or my family, i will do something there, on all of us, that is, work for all of us, this is the only way we will oppose this state, change this approach and finally we will have this list of places of memory , for which we are responsible all together and each of us fundamentally. Thank you now as promised, we will talk about the actual ukrainian arlington, about why the discussion, the search for a place, the adoption of the law on the National Memorial cemetery or cemetery, where we are currently burying our soldiers, is taking so long. In the 22nd. In the same year , the bill on the creation of this National MemorialMilitary Cemetery was passed, why is this decision so hard to make and is it taking so long . So, i will start with the background, so that nothing falls out, because it is important for the logic of understanding. The project of the cemetery was born, the very first project arose from some time, almost yanukovych, some generals gathered, almost the ministry of internal affairs, if you want to see the year 2011, i remember this azarov, maybe because there. Somewhere in russia they built a military, and these old welldeserved, welldeserved veterans in that including the soviet systems, they wanted to have a good place for themselves, but the project did not take off, thank god, but then the government gave an order in the 15th or 16th, i have already forgotten, and in particular, the institute of National Memory to develop the end, the institute of National Memory developed this project back then at 16, there were consultations, the project of the military Memorial Cemetery and , in general, this. The logic that i started with is threestage, it arose at the institute, precisely in the 15th and 16th, and in the very first consultations with the state geocadastre , a specific land plot for this arose cemetery, because we needed a state land and b a lot of state land, several hundred hectares, because everyone understands that it must be arlington, its 300 hectares, and that it cant be some piglet somewhere in the bran in in kyiv, it should be fundamental, it is a space of memory for centuries, at the time no one thought about. A fullscale war, but even then they thought that it should be such a cemetery, and accordingly there was only one suitable plot, then they talked about vituposhtovo, but now it is the gatnyan community, and even then this plot, which in the end has now been approved , the position and the institute itself offered it back then, near the southern cemetery, it is directly adjacent to the southern cemetery, which is a plus, because the road to odessa, a large highway that allows many people to conveniently drive up, b already exists nearby cemetery, respectively, are sanitary in. The sanitary zone is observed and plus there is a wooded area there, but there are illegal fellings for decades of this kind of management, there are huge massifs developed, accordingly, even in. Well, that is, the forest of this forest plantation will hardly be affected or will be less affected than in any other place, well, arlington, if we look at it, it is a space interspersed with trees, accordingly , this is how it arose, then in the 22nd year, then the institute developed a law on cemeteries together with the ministry of defense, the ministry of vitry and years, and i got trips to all these problem groups , pavlo podabet, who was responsible for this at our institute, simply did not get out of the committees, from the ministry of defense, they agreed, one of the principle points was not to hide kagbists there. All kinds of full knights of the order of lenin and so on, and it was with a lot of blood, but we managed to agree on everything so that it was really people who fought for independence for ukraine, and we still won it, it should be a State Cemetery with a memorial, with the corresponding infrastructure and so on, and the law is adopted, and the law, unfortunately, was adopted only in the 22nd, already after the beginning fullscale war, but the struggle itself, the struggle for this law stretched for years, for years, i think, if it were not for the war, we would still be struggling for this law. Again, part of the accountants, who are always present in any government, say its expensive, its billions, well, its billions, respectively, the 22nd year for the place, and here it began, i call it vekhanalia, the gushing of ideas began, because the law does not fix the place, the law of the 22nd fixes the cemetery, doesnt fix the place, and here it begins, lets build on the bald mountain, lets build in the bean ravine, lets sing field, and we just we at the institute looked at all this with such eyes. We didnt have time to comment that its simple, first of all, read the law, its like that there, theres a list of objects like that, there you need space, respectively, all these proposals, and the families of the victims hear this story and think that it would really be good to be in the center, in the center where it is easy to get to, but then they start to face questions, elementary questions, if we are somewhere in the center of kyiv 100 ha for such a center, no, because there are no 100. Hectares in the center of kyiv, but what if we lets take some of those locations, and one of those , i think provocative ideas, was to make this cemetery in the side barn, and this was probably the last straw, because many families very strongly took up this location, this one, this location, the bullpen, the bullpen, families of the fallen, and why . And because they were told that it is almost, almost in kyiv, that there is a lot of space, but they were not told one very important thing, that these are places of memory. Already in which, unfortunately, in this forest, most likely, with a very high probability, there will be mass burials from the times of stalins repressions. And here yet another trigger was turned on, that most of our people are not aware of and do not realize this problem, that is, even some highranking officials, i come, i remember very well, i talk to the architect, and the architect says i ask them, so lets go lets build this one, they say to him, build it in the bullpen, he says , well, its like this place, well, it can be. Risky, its there, well, mass, if we find a mass burial, well stop construction, we have to excavate , do, and they say no to him, well, lets think of something, he says, okay, lets go, why not in a womans the ravine, its such a nono, well, you cant in a womans ravine, this is a place of memory, that is, a bullpen , even at the level of people, was not fixed as such a place of memory where you cant touch it, and accordingly, it was a serious story of such miscommunication, and people were provoked, a family comes to us, we say, look, we are the firstborn. Proposed, vytrovych also proposed to do it in gatny, well, and then it all went into the space of political speculation, because part of the parliament introduced a draft law for a bullpen, a bullpen, and the council voted, but the president did not sign it, but they are calling me to tell me in more detail, they are calling me from the president s office and asking me, and i am at the front, we are generally standing under orichov, on the zaporizhia right, i could pick up the phone, because there is a nastaring, i pick up the phone, i say i cant talk now, were on military duty, im leaving. The president calls and asks what the problem is with the bullpen, because part of the law came, and part of the experts say that there is a caveat, ask the institute of National Memory, they will tell me, i will tell you, and thats it. You show me five or six risky items, and they, well, the president says, well, thats right, and why wasnt this taken into account before, a logical question, and it turns out that the parliament voted, and he , as a person who understands that it will be a problem that we can be stuck there for another 5 years or however long, and then the question of changing the place of the memorial site for this cemetery will be initiated, they will return to the good thing that we immediately proposed, and well, thank god, the parliament will vote in the good way about this plot, which is in support of the decision of the government in gatny, but what struck me, and more than 300 deputies supported it, we personally got involved, the minister of agriculture got involved, because this is a question of land and there is the allocation of land, and we went to the factions and explained, well, almost all the deputies voted except for some, except for. One faction, because it is for became part of the political such an ugly situation, because some deputies said that the president does not respect the parliament, that he does not want to sign it, it is not they who believe that the president did not sign the draft law that was initiated by the opposition political force, which they say yes, no, what they say is that the president does not respect the parliament, because he should have signed the bullpen, because the Parliament First voted for him, and then they can cancel it, revote, and it became a very ugly political situation, and well, we went around these factions, they said , well, come on, you wont bring this into the plan, well, if the opposition was in power. It should always be, but i say, lets not be here, and the majority of the opposition forces, well, a large part of them agreed and it didnt happen to discuss, well, in such a bad situation, i voted for it its good, but part of it is not, well, again , i didnt vote against it, in my opinion , people abstained, but you know, this is the kind of case that says that very often we cannot cross over because of political ambitions, even in such very important questions, the Prime Minister gave an engagement to within six months of this 20. That year to build the first sector, the first sector, and now there are a lot of questions about, i see that you just recently participated in the discussion of the design of the typical warheads, and in general, now there are a lot of questions and discussions about what it should look like, what kind of such a Plan Architecture and design will be, what kind of space will it be, or can you tell us in a few words what kind of idea it is . Just this large space of the space of the Memorial Cemetery . So, the law provides that it must be a leading large object, in what sense is it large . There should be a museum that tells about the history of soldiers in general, a place that is very similar to the memorial you asked about at the beginning, a museum that will tell about what wars ukraine fought in what times, and how, why exactly this place of memory represents various fighters for. In fact, the freedom of ukraine , including her, of course, a large part of this museum will be dedicated to the modern war, because, unfortunately, it is the majority of burial places, although it was not originally intended that way, but of course it will be for those people who died , or later after the victory they will live peacefully and die and have the right to be buried on this quad, then accordingly the museum that told, then there should be a memorial memorial, a large National Memorial, which actually honors all the dead and who died. Its like that just a memorial place, then there should be a big crematorium there, because we dont have enough crematoriums, the city crematorium, well, in kyiv it cant withstand the load, the infrastructure is old, its generally old technologies, they need to be restored, accordingly, this crematorium is will also serve this cemetery itself, plus help with this infrastructure, further it is assumed that there will be large spaces for columbariums, respectively. There are modern technical and administrative buildings, an archive t