Says that we are not going to put the issue of ukraine to the vote yet, we will now to think, and it is already, frankly, hands down, you just understand that it is something in poland too, it will be a long story with this solution of the issue without blocking the exchange of goods, or is this another stage that will stretch again, stretch into times, well , look, and the United States of america and poland are our closest allies, and obviously russia is doing everything to sow chaos there in various ways, because if it was, if it depended only on biden, he would have long ago signed the granting of ukraine any what a help, thats for sure if the situation depended only on tusk , i think there would be no blocking of the borders, but in democratic countries there are different Political Forces, and these Political Forces take part in elections, speculate, screw the population, screw different sections of the population, in this case agricultural producers, when we talk about poland, and that is why this political. Drag is precisely because these countries are democratic, and there are people who, i would say so, abuse democracy and are engaged in national egoism, and do not take into account the complex the situation in which ukraine is located, choosing, protecting these values, on which these countries are built, so it is difficult for me to say when this will be resolved in poland, i am absolutely convinced that this issue can be resolved only at the ukrainenato level, since it is a matter of our national security, and openness of borders. And the admission of various goods to and from ukraine, when talking about agricultural goods , obviously, this is a matter of negotiations, but all this hysteria that is unfolding in poland around ukraine is built on false information, that ukrainian goods flooded poland, which is not true, there is an embargo on most goods there, poland is used only for transit, that only oligarchs produce products in ukraine, this is also a lie, 23 is exaggerated. Enterprises, and the rest are small enterprises, and the polish oligarchs, as they say, i do not consider these people oligarchs, these big land businessmen and letefundists are much richer and bigger than ours, so when, when the country lives on myths, political hysteria and politicians support it, there is such a situation that is occurring in poland, which is difficult to solve, but i believe that it will be solved, in the end these polish farmers will kill ukraine at the cost of themselves. Now we will listen to the Prime Minister of the republic of poland donald tusk, he actually spoke about the border, lets listen, then we will continue our discussion. It is no secret that we are discussing with the ukrainian side the temporary closure of the border and the termination of the exchange of goods. I will discuss this tomorrow as well with polish farmers. The solution will be temporary and painful for both parties. I am ready to make even tough decisions when it comes to the border with ukraine. We always consult with the ukrainian side so that there is no unnecessary tension between warsaw and kyiv, but we must find a solution that will be longterm. In your opinion, this decision should be sought only by ukraine and poland, or at least with the involvement of European Union officials and politicians. Of the European Union, because poland also does not exist autonomously in the European Union union, does it have subsidies, does it have aid and does it have any kind of collaboration and coordination with other countries . Well, again, if we join the European Union, then we should be equal there with others, if the borders are open for polish grain and polish products, then they should also be open for ukrainian ones, this is the position of the Ukrainian Government, it is fair, therefore poles are afraid that this is the basis and reasons why the European Union exists. Competition on the part of ukraine, not even on its territory, but among other countries, it is true, it exists, so for but polands support in the European Union is very important to us, because after the european elections. The union, most likely the party headed by tusk, will be one of the largest parties in the European Parliament, the position of rusul fonderlajen and many others will also depend on it, it is a serious powerful political force, despite the fact that all the protests that are taking place are it was precisely initiated by their opponents at first, and now there are various people there, their allies, their opponents, who are not there right now, because of that , you need to Pay Attention to polands position, but at the same time you need to be fair to yourself and not humiliate. Yourself, er, and because of that the most important thing is the negotiations between us, if it is at all possible, and if it is impossible, then we need to talk not only with the European Union, with the European Union we need to conduct economic negotiations, and we are doomed to this, but we need to conduct negotiations with nato on unblocking the border, because this is the border through which weapons come to us and the border, which is the artery for our economy, even outside of agricultural products, and this border blocked obviously, it absolutely is it is shameful to act like this towards a country that is at war, what tusk talked about when he talked about the complete closure of the border, our government officials, by the way, denied it, what is it about, well, it can also remind me of such a certain game, so that if the border is completely closed, then polish entrepreneurs who import goods to ukraine worth 11 billion will suffer, there are a lot of them, thats a lot, its 10 times less than what. The mileage between poland and germany, and when they tried to block the border with germany, then the polish the entrepreneurs revolted, and there the blockade lasted only a few hours, because it kills the polish economy, and those polish entrepreneurs who trade with ukraine are silent so far, but in the end, if the border is completely closed, i think they will also revolt, and maybe tusks government is counting on this , so that it is not him who is suffering with his own hands, but those who really suffer from these thoughtless actions of farmers, other polish entrepreneurs, and they. Suffer, so that they, so that another voice is heard in poland , because this other voice is not in the media one hears, but one only hears the untruth spread by farmers, defending their own interests as best they can, this is their right, the country is democratic, but the society must also hear the truth, and so minister kubrakov, the minister of infrastructure, declared that no one from ukraine the parties are not conducting negotiations on closing the borders with poland, you know, it is interesting that tusk declares one thing, they say in our country, we dont do it that way, then the ukrainian side. Called to the border, there is no one there, and here one gets the impression that sometimes they somehow act autonomously ukrainian and the polish side, everyone, well, it is clear that i am no longer criticizing the Ukrainian Government there, because it is clear that the situation is critical for ukraine, but there are some statements that do not correlate with the statements of the other side of this conditional conflict, well, ukraine and poland, poland and ukraine, but i still wanted to say something, well, i just wanted to ask you as a specialist, maybe explain more, whether it has any connection to the situation that has now arisen in poland, and today a decision was made. Commission, it opened access to 137 billion euros for poland, this money earlier, access to this money was blocked there due to certain problems, well, in particular, regarding the independence of the judicial system and reforms of the rule of law, and now the European Commission has decided that poland has taken steps to strengthen and correct the situation and now it will have access to these 137 billions, maybe it will somehow ease the situation, or it is a separate story that will not affect in any way. Money for what they now want from ukraine, to achieve through ukraine. You asked two questions at once, while i was thinking about the second one, i forgot a little the first so, the first is about politics. So , tusk makes political statements based on his own political situation. When he says that we will close the border, it can cause a reaction from businessmen who trade with ukraine, from poland, who can express their position in order to calm down the agrarians a little. When our government goes to the border, then. This is an attempt to show its determination to our society, a kind of small theater. I negatively perceive this step, because in diplomacy, theaters are unacceptable, despite the fact that that i very positively perceive shmegals statement and these five points that he voiced regarding what should be done to settle the conflict, this is called skillful preparation and not skillful submission. And on the one hand, reasonable and correct proposals are very often neutralized by such diplomatic steps, which the same poles cling to, and our relations deteriorate. I try to actually talk to them very often, and they say but zelensky was fighting us there in oon, he was fighting our duda there, i say, so was the duda, he told us that we drowned man, well, you are there, and taras kachka said such and such, and journalist portnikov said such and such, and we were offended for that, i say, look, trust between our peoples is everything one is very high, despite all the political polls, the people you name very often just have different points of view, they are far from likeminded and not allies, right . And it is not necessary to rely on this, it is necessary to rely on the essence of the processes that are taking place, and the essence of the processes that are taking place is that ukraine is not guilty of anything, it is fighting, it is protecting you, and you are blocking the border to the price of ukrainians. To get additional funds for themselves, that is precisely the truth in relation to the polish side, because of that, but everyone is, of course, because it is a political issue, everyone uses it politically, the tusk in itself there, our government in itself here, and it would be better obviously , that would not be better, er, this is about the first question, and the second question, remind me, about the 137 billion that were unblocked by the European Commission, well, that was a separate story, at one time they froze it, because that, and now they say that poland has taken certain steps and it is possible. Access to open this money, we talk a lot about the border here, and polish society talks about other things, there was a competition between two Political Forces, peace and the peoples coalition, the peoples platform, which united two more Political Forces and they defeated peace, society is divided, there was a lot of criticism from the European Union towards peace because they were changing the law on the judiciary and trying to approve european politicians. Control independent systems, there are courts, media, and because of these accusations, because they didnt listen to brussels, uh, them, these funds were blocked, and tusk is trying to change the situation in domestic politics, so these funds are being unblocked, and the fact that there are changes in polish domestic politics for of ukraine is actually positive, because we would also like more democracy in our country, and we know that, among other things, the European Parliament voted today on a resolution on ukraine, where. Many things indicate the lack of democratic procedures in for ukraine, for example, regarding the ban on peoples deputies going abroad to International Conferences where ukrainians must be represented, because when there are no ukrainians there, antiukrainian sentiments are born and generated because of that, so the struggle for democracy is one thing, and here , both here and in poland we must continue to do this, and here we must be allies, the struggle for markets and the economy is Something Else, as it turned out, it is tougher than the struggle for. And sometimes more fateful than the struggle for democracy , and here, of course, to support the polish in this politics, well, it is extremely difficult, well, and one more thing, today we voiced the question about a new world order without a strong russia, whether there is a nonaggressive russia, but the russian dictator putin today delivered such a rather lengthy message to the federal assembly of the russian federation, in which in particular, he stated that world order is impossible without a strong russia, lets go to the ambassador. It is obvious that we need to work on forming a new contour of equal and indivisible security in eurasia in the near future. We ready for substantive conversation on this topic with all interested countries and associations. No strong world order is possible without a sovereign, strong russia. Lets talk. A sovereign, strong russia, that is, he already doubts that russia may not be sovereign and not strong at some stage, and however you comment on it, well, in principle , today putin talked more about russias internal affairs, although of course he also mentioned missiles and about svo and so on. Well, look, what putin says doesnt matter at all. Obviously, this is a person who survived the madness and who does not love people and humanity, this is a person who destroyed and continues to destroy ukrainians, it is somehow difficult to comment on him even there. But as for russia itself, no one like putin made it as weak as it is now, it is obviously strong militarily, but it has no contacts with civilized countries, no prospects for development, so they can sell their Raw Materials there to asian country and at the expense of this to get their army, which comes to destroy ukrainians and wants to destroy the whole world, but is this measure the strength of the country . Obviously not. Therefore, it is certainly demagoguery, which is not worth anything. I enjoyed todays part. With takar carlson, one of the video bloggers , who is takar carlson himself, here we all curse him and scold him, deservedly, but he says that he has never seen such madness as in this interview with putin, and when putin told him about denazification, he could not at all understand what it was about, that no nazism exists now, he is trying like a child to put a brand on ukraine to justify its aggression, and this is what the farright taker carlson says, yes, that is, even to those people who would like putin. To sympathize, his insanity is obvious from the first day, so it makes no sense to comment on him, and this is his sore point, to create a new world order, which from his point of view, when russia will rule the whole world and decide for itself, will be the most important in world and whom he wants to destroy, whom he wants to support, well, this is a fantasy, a phantasmagoria, the 84th year after the urals, no one will build it now, it is simply impossible, and such systems as they are in russia, despite the fact that they are extremely dangerous, but at the same time they are extremely. Weak and do not have the potential to have prospects. By the way, at the very end, in confirmation of your words, i will say that today there was information from bloomberg that india will look for new sources. Oil imports, because it is afraid of the sanctions of the United States of america, and the empty ports are large in china, which used to be full, because also the sanctions, well, since there is an understanding there that there was some support, obviously from russia, well, thats what would have in the pocket this once again shows that perhaps the fight for markets is really more aggressive, but it can give a greater result, and russia will eventually sell oil with a surcharge from itself. Thank you very much for participating, Mykola Knyazhytskyi was with us, folks. Mps of ukraine discussed current political topics, and i will remind you of the question that we voiced, we asked you today and continue to ask whether a new world order is possible without an aggressive russia, yes or no, lets see how you vote, if i see correctly, yes , well, in the end there will be the results, thats why the phones you see, i wont repeat, i think that everyone, everyone can see the screen of their gadget or tv or. Youre watching the verdict program, and now were moving on to the military topic, which is also very important, because the question of, say, do we shoot down airplanes, is probably the question that most often comes up in conversations today , even between people as far away as they say, both from the battlefield and from military topics in general, mykhailo, mykhailo samus, military expert, Deputy Director of the center army, conversion and disarmament research, director of new Geopolitics Research network, mr. Mykhailo, i welcome you. I congratulate you, well, there are 13 planes for how many, in 10 days, if im not mistaken, this is how we have such a crop of russian aviation, one version is that we are spending now, as they say, already to the bottom of the Patriot Missile for petromsiv, the second is that this s200 is modified in some strange and strange way, it shoots down planes, the third is that it is some ukrainian system that no one knows about, and the fourth is that they say that after all its an f16 in the sky. In ukraine, no one tells us about it. Your opinion . Well, my opinion is that it does not matter what they shoot down , the main thing is that it is happening, the main thing is that the ukrainian army, the air force, stop, or try to influence the use of cabs by russia, because in fact, this is really good news , but what is behind them is not very happy. Russia continues. Not only reduce, increase the use of adjusted air bombs, about 150 air bombs can use per day, this is a huge number, which greatly affects the conducting offensive operations by russia and defensiv