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Barah yes what umirov told offline, there for colleagues, our minister of defense, what people you met told us, what more can you tell us, generally from behind the scenes of ramstein, congratulations oksano, congratulations roman, well, hello to you from brussels, from under the walls of the european parliament, i will sum up, of course yesterday, it was ukrainian day in nato, today is the second day of the meeting of ministers on the member countries of the north atlantic alliance, but ukraine is not on the agenda today, internal issues, ukraine was yesterday, there was a lot various meetings, from the very morning, a Contact Group in the ramstein format, then, after lunch local time, the ukrainenato council, well, in the evening, the results were summed up first by the United States defense minister, lloyd. And then the secretary general of nato, Jens Stoltenberg, although this was not the end, the end of our work yesterday, and it was already late, at 8 pm local time 21 kyiv time, it was our meeting with the minister of defense of ukraine, rustem umyerov. Now, what you asked romany about behind the scenes, everyone supports behind the scenes ukraine, with whom we did not speak, i was interested in one question, only, are these. Some such quarrels that may be starting, maybe they are bubbling somewhere inside the alliance, and which some leaders of the countries, members of the north atlantic alliance, are heating up about the fact that that it is necessary to give less money to ukraine, to focus more on internal problems , to focus more on putting the president of ukraine, Volodymyr Zelenskyi, at the negotiating table with the president of the country of terrorists, vladimir putin, and that is how to end the war, yesterday in on the sidelines, we did not hear such a thing, they talked about negotiations, but they emphasized that these negotiations can only take place after ukraine gains weight, does something on the battlefield, that is, drives the aggressor to the borders, only after that can we sit down at the table negotiations very interestingly, the secretary of defense, United States of america, lloyd austin, said yesterday, a phrase that i remember, he said it twice, once at one press conference, once at the second press conference, that putin wanted to demoralize the ukrainians, but after all he is demoralized his own army. And nato will exert, nato allies will exert maximum efforts in order to further demoralize and ultimately help ukraine to defeat the aggressor. And on the sidelines, they also talked about the fact that, well, about missiles, we were all wondering if there would be planes, even more planes, and if there would be atakms missiles, the atakms missile is unfortunately not available now, and again, the us secretary of defense , lloyd austin, when asked about it, he said he had no information about it, and when asked about it, maybe the german taurus missiles, he says, it is to blame to ask the representatives of the national delegations, that is, from germany , whose chancellor, olaf scholz, well, he is now so openly pulling with the provision of such important for us missiles to ukraine, in the end there was a lot, a lot of help, lloyd austin during the press conference, he listed the main thing that he said, which is the creation and continuation of the creation of various coalitions to help ukraine, that is, a coalition, for example, to provide us with Armored Vehicles and, in particular, tanks, which includes several countries, so far, a coalition aircraft, in particular with regard to providing us with f16 aircraft , by the way, information appeared yesterday that belgium has joined this coalition and will also provide us with f16, a coalition with there is even such an it coalition that will help us, provide us with help in the fight against Russian Internet terrorism, by the way, the United States of america, this is lloyd austinin again, he said, they gave us 200 million dollars, another tranche of military aid, a total of 43 billion euros, we have already received since the beginning of the war, this only military. From of the United States of america, as well as other Financial Aid , and what was constantly said yesterday at the nato meeting, that the focus will still be on helping ukraine survive the winter, because repeatedly, everyone talks about the fact that putin uses , wants to use winter as a weapon again , and now it is necessary to prevent ukraine from helping ukraine with. To do everything to prevent putin from doing it, the main thing is the means of air defense, and here is germany, for example, she already said that she would give us another installation patriot and missiles to it, will also give us tanks and pppo iristy, france is going to give us selfpropelled howitzers, sorry, selfpropelled howitzers, bulgaria. Is going to give us antiaircraft missiles, the soviet s300 antiaircraft missiles, which are currently in storage, precisely in bulgaria, canada is going to invest millions of dollars in the production of Armored Vehicles for ukraine. In a word, it was a very busy day, and it finally ended, as i said, with our meeting with the minister of defense of ukraine, rustem umierov, and he simply summed up the results and confidence from his lips that he received assurances from the allies that they will be with ukraine, as they constantly say, as long as it takes for victory, and one more point that i want to Pay Attention to, on the eve , Volodymyr Zelenskyi, after holding several meetings at the nato headquarters, went to a meeting with the Prime Minister of belgium, alexander de croo, and he also called this meeting very fruitful, once again they agreed on further assistance from belgium for ukraine, further ppos, as we can see, emphasize the fact that it is necessary to help ukraine. To survive this winter, but not only, during this winter it is necessary to help ukraine to continue the counteroffensive and continue to win back territories, as our guys colleagues, the report from brussels has been doing this for a long time, but we still want to ask, actually, this unexpected visit by zelenskyi does not give us peace. To brussels, and maybe there were some other bilateral meetings with the leaders of different countries, with representatives of different countries, and maybe somewhere there they tried something, they can still agree on the next remstein, maybe there is something extra , well, look, oksana, as i said, there was a meeting with the Prime Minister of belgium , alexander de croo, during the meeting nato at as far as i understand, there were bilateral meetings, but they were mostly with representatives of the nato leadership, this is as far as i know, and the most important thing is that everyone notes and even on the sidelines of nato noted that it is very important that Volodymyr Zelensky came for this meeting personally, because they had the opportunity to hear from him personally what ukraine needs and what they can give, because. Before that, Volodymyr Zelenskyy was connected only via the internet, and even the head of the united of the committee of the chiefs of staff of the United States of america, and charles brown, by the way, is the new head, and he himself said that it was very important that Volodymyr Zelensky came, came and maybe even pushed, came and maybe even convinced, well in a word, we are waiting for this whole help, rustem in the evening yesterday he said that something will come in the coming months, something may come after the new year, but he received assurances that all this will come. Colleagues, yuri, we still have a moment of time, just to understand, because when we listen to the statements of the leadership, members of nato, hungary or the current slovakia after the elections, we understand that no nato, no help, fico and his putin party, here is a new cabinet of ministers and a new slovakia, well, according to orban, in general, as they say, we have so many statements from siyartu and from this, how their delegations, that is, hungary and slovakia behave at ramstein, what their defense ministers say, because this is all that i have listed now, it is the policy and political statements of the governments and politicians of these countries, hungary and slovakia , and how they are on the fields of ramstein. Well, roman, i cant honestly tell you anything, because yesterday they made a statement on the fields of ramstein, well, at least i didnt hear it, i ca nt say anything, the only thing i can say is from those statements that were generally made by, for example, lloyd austin or yen stoltenberg, then we see that there is too much unity, and this unity will continue in the future, i see that these countries, well, as far as i understand, will not be able to further muddy the water, the way they , well, at least try to muddy it, that is, there is an obligation, general, nato, to continue to help ukraine as much as it will be necessary for victory, and at least yesterday i did not hear a statement from the representatives of those countries that you named romany, that they will block or withhold aid, aid will be and aid will come, this is i say just last night to rostem we said, he has the assurance that help is available, colleagues, mister fizer, we say to you, grand merci and oreuard. Thank you, this was yuri fizar, International Espresso columnist, straight from the fields of ramstein in brussels. By the way, we will continue, yes, we will continue this topic, because hanna gobko, peoples deputy of the eighth convocation, head of the committee on Foreign Affairs of the verkhovna rada, is still in touch with us. Uh, im sorry, yes, the chairman of the board of the network for the protection of National Interests of the anz, and actually we will continue this topic now, because this is Jens Stoltenberg also said yesterday that all the members of the alliance already agree that ukraine should become a full member of nato, of course we all hope in ukraine for washington 2024, yes, but look oksan, what exactly are we, yuriy fizera, lets go now we ask, but at the same time, on the eve of this statement by stolteng, they clearly said we will not admit ukraine to nato, we are a new government, words. Yes, well, im not talking about what orban said to his sijartos on the eve of ramstein, so somehow somehow this statement of staltenberg does not stick, does not stick about unity, its just that some statements are addressed to their domestic voters, and others from the world and ukraine, please analyze , please, thank you very much for this question, well , in fact , there is still a lot to be done before the washington summit, which will take place in july next year efforts but the key decision is made, approved in washington, in the white house, and because of this, as we already did during the Warsaw Security Forum last week, we held such a strategy with representatives of the ukrainian diaspora, as well as those ukrainians who left the country after fullscale invasion, how can we synergize efforts, and everyone agreed that we need to work very hard, first, on bipartisan support in the United States of america. And over the decision of the white house. Lets draw conclusions from the nato summit in vilnius. The very reason why we have not received a formal political invitation to nato, and this does not mean membership tomorrow, it means the beginning of commitments to the complex procedure of acquiring full membership, among which, in particular, ratification in each country, Members Alliance agreement. Ago. See, for example, sweden and finland, finland became a member of the Alliance Within a year after receiving a formal invitation, and the flag of finland for the majors in the nato headquarters, here are all the documents and they accept, are now part of the decisionmaking, what can you say about sweden, so our current task is to explain very clearly, it is important for us that, finally, nato, at least at this stage, when they give us a formal invitation and say everything, we see ukraine as a future member of the alliance, we start all the procedures for this, and here we are there will be these hesitations, which we saw in vilnius, which lead, in particular, to the aggressor, that until now ukraine is perceived as a bridge, a gray zone or a buffer, and here it is very important to explain that ukraine deserved a formal invitation for this a long time ago, and there will be a lot of marches , as you have already noted the problems, and hungary, but who knows, maybe then changes. This situation is political, maybe someone else will come to power instead of orban, or in slovakia, that is, it is a process of more than one month from receiving an invitation to deure, acquiring and there i dont know, if we become the 33rd member of the alliance, well, then this will be another page, other , as they say, challenges and not advocacy in various capitals, and i think that our, as they say, americans are already here will. Talk and look for arguments for the hungarians, for the slovaks and for others who will be there, i dont know, to sabotage or slow down our progress on the way to membership. Ms. Hanna, in light of what is happening now in the middle east, the war in israel and the plans of the United States of america to include in this aid package ukraine and israel also has taiwan, which personally worries me a lot. The world seems to be more concerned and the reaction is more emotional, and they react more quickly to what is happening in israel, and not to what is happening in ukraine, there was a lot of talk about bucha, bucha, irpin, about raisin, but definitely it was not as sharp and as emotional as now, when they talk about the tragedies in israel, yes, why. So it is, why is the world less concerned about ukraine than israel, and maybe somewhere we are here on some communicative level, diplomatic, not we are finalizing, well, this is a very important issue, we must understand that it is very important for the aggressor state, the first is to intensify old conflicts, the second is to create new theaters of hostilities, to sponsor or be behind, but to say that we are not there, how are we seen from the beginning. The invasion of ukraine since the 14th year, as well as other conflicts , whether in the middle east, as we see now with terrorist groups like hamas, there is definitely cooperation with some russians, and wagnerites and so on, that is, terrorist club, they mutually support and strengthen each other, and therefore we need to clearly explain to our western partners that the longer the war in ukraine lasts, the longer it is, the war of attrition, the more. Different authoritarian regimes draw more conclusions and understand that now is the time of weakness event, and you can create new threats, well, lets be honest. Lets say, i recently spoke with experts who say, hanna, we are currently considering such a situation that everyone is waiting for such an escalation, even there the use of Tactical Nuclear weapons, about which there is a lot they talked, and there was a lot, of blackmail from russia that it would be the Russian Federation, in fact we should expect that maybe china, which has been postponing its invasion of taiwan, will take advantage of the situation of internal political crisis in the usa. Plus, when there are many other, conflicts, terrorist threats, and this will be an opportunity for them, for example, to create in the taiwan strait, or try to somehow carry out real attacks, we are now also seeing statements there from north korea and so on, so it seems to me that the key message from ukraine should be, the defeat of the Russian Federation as states that sponsor terrorism, it will be a powerful message to other authoritarian, dictatorial regimes that we all stand firmly for each other in democracies and defend International Law based on respect precisely for territorial integrity and sovereignty. Since this did not happen, russian aggression against ukraine has been going on for 10 years, and it has been almost two years of genocide. Obviously, the level of support were getting, i