, in view of what is happening around the lavra around the Ukrainian Orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, is it clear what the final point will be in the branch of the russian Orthodox Church in ukraine, well, look, i am one of the authors of the law 821, which they do not want to bring into the hall and it is not called about the ban of the uoc mp, so i would like to introduce certain corrections to your survey, because our law calls it about banning the activities of the russian Orthodox Church in ukraine, the uoc mp is simply a component of one of the components of this huge russian Orthodox Church, because the religious experts said that they are part of it, they did not separate from them although they keep saying whether it is not so, but it is so and that is why all structures related to the rpc, which are the rpc in ukraine , should obviously be banned. This can only be done by law, our law 8221, in favor of which many Regional Councils spoke out by banning the activity of this essentially public organization, e. E. , as such, which is part of the peoples republic of ukraine and as such, which poses a threat to the National Security of ukraine, this is the only way that complies with the Human Rights Convention by the decision of the European Court of human rights, and if it is accepted, then lease agreements must be on the side of that, this must be done throughout the country, there is another Government Law that is proposed to be done through the court er court debate through the court , but this way that the government proposes will last a very long time will last for years and the society will continue to be in fact unprotected from the russian propaganda that the rpc in ukraine continues to conduct as an ally of the russian army , in fact they are fighting us from the middle and it is extremely unfortunate, but even this toothless Government Law is not brought into the hall that the ruling party of the servant of the people claims that they do not have the votes for it, and some hierarchs of the rpc in ukraine claim that more than a third of the deputies of the ruling party do not want and are not ready to vote for it, and this, of course, very regrettably shows how strong these russian influences are, including and within ukrainian politics, they do not want to vote because they are parishioners of this church. Do they still count on the support of the church, as was the case and always in ukraine during the parliamentary elections, for example elections or president ial elections, that is, this Large Network exists in ukraine , branches of the russian communist party, and this branch has always been used by one or another Political Forces, that is, the current ruling team. Which you called absolutely correct and they are ready to turn a blind eye to the fact that they are conducting antiukrainian activities throughout the country, they are really afraid to destroy this network, but in addition, a large part of them are also parishioners er, this socalled church and very often divide their views er, and even before the start of the fullscale invasion, they spoke and spoke with a completely different rhetoric. And this rhetoric is the rhetoric that helps destroy our country from the inside, and they all take a direct part in this who does not want to put our law to the vote, and even the government one, these are people who actually actually support the war, because for the russian Orthodox Church , there is another person who directly supports the war, who also supports russia, and actually already lives in russia, this is Petro Symonenko, the leader of the communists in sbu handed it to him suspicion and told about how Petro Symonenko fled from ukraine just when the occupiers were coming to the borders of kyiv, i. E. , to the kyiv region, and how he was taken out by this special special forces of the sbu says that it has gathered evidence on Petro Symonenko, he is incriminated by public calls to seizure of state power in ukraine as well as the justification of war according to yours, what is the reason that these suspicions are announced too late when people are no longer in ukraine when it was clear and so long ago that the communist party of ukraine was still banned in ukraine in in 2014, this party , which always worked for moscow and they never hid from it, why such a delay is simply from the Ukrainian Special services. Well, you know , it seems to me that the beginning of an authorized invasion , despite the fact that the war has been going on for 10 years. Eh real for almost 10 years this is actually such a real rubicon uh what should hmm after which should be counted completely differently i mean a fullscale invasion why after a fullscale background invasion all these people are not suspected is difficult for me to say but we see how the same priests of the Russian Church behave in ukraine, i recently listened to the address of one of the bishops of the Russian Church against whom it is true that there is a precautionary measure , but he continues to address, humiliates the ukrainian language, mocks it essentially degrades the dignity of every ukrainian through youtube through mass media, they introduce and continue to carry out their propaganda, sharp activity, it is time not just for suspicion, for condemnation, and i know that this is being done against many of them. And it is good that the sbu and other Law Enforcement agencies do this, but there are so many of them that without completely banning these structures and relying more decisively on all the propagandists of the russian measure in ukraine , it will be more difficult for us to win in this war against the russian aggressor, we will definitely win, but the victory and the values of human lives, as well as very its a pity that the corruption of certain representatives of the government is related to russian structures , the communists are increasing this price, they banned the opzj for a long time , they only banned it last year, i looked and counted how many deputies from the party medvedchuk was elected to various authorities, to local authorities, to district, city, village councils, and these people turned out to be more than 4,000. 4,000 deputies are now elected from a party that is already banned in ukraine, which is hostile to ukraine, but they are not they are working, and they have not lost their mandate; moreover, they , for example, join the Election Commission at the local level , block the work of these Election Commissions , influence the political process, that is why they are allegedly banned, but in fact there is no ban, they continue to work in the parliament, lead committees, although they are now called differently in the parliament. But in fact they are the same people. But the most important thing is that they are even called the same in local selfgovernment bodies , that is why this ban is so ersatz. Propaganda on many levels in ukraine, who can stop it, who can nullify their powers, because it turns out that there is no party and there are deputies who received a mandate from this party, it turns out that on behalf of this well, voters who voted for this party, they conduct their activities there and it turns out that we all live together under the laws that are initiated and, including , adopted by those people who belonged to the antiukrainian Political Party and to the party that worked all the time in moscow, this is true and very often this the party is an ally of the leading Political Forces and i think this is the reason why when there are not enough votes in the parliament , these mps from the upsj are turned to so that they vote for the ruling party and that is why they continue to be allowed to lead committees to influence the political process, the same thing happens at the local level , there must be political will of the ruling party of the president s government, and he thinks that they are simply obliged to show such will. Thank you, mr. Mykola, for your participation in the program. Live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us live on these platforms, please like this video and subscribe to our eresources at on social networks, i will remind you that we are conducting a survey on youtube. We are asking you today whether it is necessary to ban the activities of the uoc mp in ukraine. Yes, no, your option. Please write in the comments below. Strategist Oleksandr Hara p oleksandr i congratulate you, i am glad to see you on our air, it is mutual, lets start with the visit of the minister of defense of china li shanfu, as already announced, he is visiting russia and belarus this week, and more precisely, on august 1419, he will also be in in minsk and in moscow, in moscow, he will participate in the moscow conference on interNational Security. Well, accordingly, he will meet with colleagues from the Russian Federation from belarus, and there, what do you think we should expect from the chinese, and isnt this visit so demonstrative and demonstrative . On the part of beijing, against the background of the misunderstandings that arise between beijing and washington, the latter, in particular, regarding technologies that the americans want to ban from selling to the chinese, you know, after the meeting in jedi, which was initiated by ukraine and organized at a very high level saudi arabia immediately received a phone call from the minister of Foreign Affairs in china to his colleague, p lagrov, where he assured that they would continue to deepen their Partnership Without restrictions and so on. In this way, in fact , china showed that despite the attempt of ukraine er, create a certain platform where it will be possible to discuss the real parameters of a possible conclusion of the war and a Peace Agreement with the Russian Federation that china will be held by the Russian Federation and you you are absolutely right that against the backdrop of, lets say, the failure of the United States to establish normal pragmatic relations and reduce the level of confrontation between the parties , i want to remind you that after blinkins visit to well, there were certain positive signals. Show something, the situation is normalizing, but the chinese did not want to do this, but with russia, which is not a junior partner, which is bigger and increases its they show such commitment to chinese aid because they are, lets say, conditional allies against the west, and of course thats why they will coordinate their efforts. I also want to remind you that just last week or the week before last, near alaska, together with the Chinese Naval forces, the russians took part in joint maneuvers and such in a way that threatens the United States in that region. I will not mention this year and last years joint training near taiwan near japanese territorial that is, this is such an eyebrow, yes, an indication of the fact that there are such beads here. The alliance is strong and they are actually likeminded about what is happening in the world. How do you evaluate the statements of the ukrainian side about the participation of the chinese representative . Saudi arabia in these negotiations about the fact that it is good that china has joined, it is clear that the more countries that participate in burning the formula of mir zelenskyi, it is good, but is china ready, for example , to discuss not the formula of mir zelenskyi, but the formula for the defeat of russia, because well formula zelenskyis mir zelenskyi is, in principle, a formula for the defeat of russia, because according to this formula, russia Must Withdraw from the territory of ukraine and then there will be some kind of peace talks. This is, of course, also what china constantly says, since it positions itself primarily with the global rooster , that they are fair, they did not interfere anywhere , they did not lead a war, although this is absolutely false if we recall its vietnams, korea and the conflict with by the soviet union well, that is, that is, propaganda in totalitarian authoritarian regimes, it works the same way, we have always defended ourselves and you adhere to International Law. But by and large, of course. The entire territory of ukraine was freed from illegal occupation, including the autonomous republic of crimea and the city of sevastopol, as this will weaken his ally putin. Will mean that the less powerful positions in their own seats raised in relation to taiwan will be that is, they are not interested in the fact that russia was uhuh defeated because it will mean that the west has united and its efforts have brought such a result and thus it will motivate not only the west, but other countries in order to unite and defend certain interests, if we are talking about the identification region this is the four, where there is the United States, japan, australia, and of course , this is also a partnership between the United States, japan and south korea, im not talking about strengthening taiwan because of course the chinese dont like such things. They would like that if ukraine didnt lose completely , well, at this stage, its for sure that, lets say , russia is left with a part, now they they will not say that they are accepted , yes, in principle, in the document that was published on february 24 this year, chinas political position on the resolution of the crisis in ukraine, they started with attention to the territorial integrity of sovereignty, but you know, just to declare such a principle without the requirement that ukraine, the aggressor, which they do not consider russia, by the way, withdraws its troops from the autumn internationally recognized territory of ukraine, if there are no such points, then it simply remains such an empty phrase, so the chinese are not interested in the fact that the conflict is in ukraine was resolved in accordance with International Law for ukraine to restore its territorial integrity, another partner of russia, poland. During the last few weeks , guns rattled near the polish border, and lukashenko said that he had instructed to the Prime Minister of belarus to talk with his polish colleague and resume the dialogue because this dialogue was interrupted because the belarusians were conducting military exercises near the suval corridor, guns were ringing on the border with lithuania and poland, what did the selfproclaimed president say we will hear from belarus, lukashenko instructed the Prime Minister to contact them, that if they want , lets talk, lets have relations, we are neighbors, and neighbors are not chosen by god, but they have the main parliamentary elections on october 15, and this is a parliamentary republic. Of course, now they need to inflame the situation in order to show that they armed the country correctly and rearmed it, therefore, on october 16. It is unlikely that they will make any significant changes that are beneficial to them and to us. They demand a lot from us and the past. It speaks to our interest in the previous word, i slandered russias partner, not poland, but russias partner to belarus, it is meant that the belarusians are very active. Some short war with nato countries in order to then sit down at the negotiating table to agree on something, about some kind of peace, some geopolitics, some borders, some new red lines, above all what this pseudopresident said, definitely this demagoguery, and frankly, looking at e lukashenkas state and putins state, are they hardly from god, but about whether russia is planning to attack nato member states. I think in the long term, they also hoped in principle that after capturing kyiv in three days, then the next thing will be something, either poland or the baltic countries, in order to actually suppress uh, that means uh, lets say the expansion of nato , how much do they think that this is a threat , and the most important thing is that they dream of yalta 2 0 to divide borders, restore spheres of influence and so on, but now it is clear that all the forces are thrown at us, even literally , the Prime Minister of finland said that they are not very worried about what is happening on the borders and said that since there are no significant Russian Forces on the border, they are all involved in ukraine itself therefore, the maximum that russia and belarus can do is provocation , it can be some kind of ulcer, of course, the easiest way is to use illegal migrant refugees in order to destabilize the situation and provoke poles or lithuanians to some kind of harsh reaction or subversive actions. Now they are capable and these are calls that come on, americans, you are taking Nuclear Weapons from the european continent, and we will remove the weapons from belarus that putin promised to place there, it also looks quite like this well, its funny because it absolutely does not change the situation in any way and does not require the United States and its allies to make any changes to their Nuclear Plans and to the means that are on the territory of European Countries