To go to turkey to discuss the grain agreement, yes, turkey is not is a signatory of the rome statute. However, we remember the warrant issued for the arrest of the russian dictator. And judging by the way cardugan has recently been trying to bargain in a certain way , we are with the west, will there not be certain lets say that there are unforeseen circumstances for the russian dictator, first of all, or what do you think, will he go to turkey at all , or will he not be afraid, and secondly, is there a possibility that, after all, for example, erdogan, in order to get something in return, can to arrest the russian dictator putin well, i think that by the way there is no need to arrest putin because there is cooperation with the International Criminal court and because of this cooperation they will simply be forced to do it, especially since they claim the title of civilized after all, they are a nato country and they are candidate members of the european union. Turkey, therefore, they have to follow international law, and i hope that if putin is still fortunately in turkey, i really hope that turkey will fulfill its obligations. Uh, according to all international rules, rights and international legislation, thats why i have huge doubts that putin will go to turkey, he will be afraid. We recently watched how he was going to go to africa, uh, to the south african republic, but still i still didnt go and didnt go precisely because i was afraid that he might be arrested. I think that a very similar situation could happen, but lets observe everything possible. Well, in the end, the time when such a trip from the meeting is determined is possible. We still dont know what will happen then. E at the stage of the war and what will happen with what will be the stage of the contour offensive of ukraine and what will be within the conditions of the Russian Federation because what we are observing there for you by the military commissars of the Russian Federation inflames the fact that we are now observing in crimea the new russian ee in the ports Russian Federation with their ships, i am talking about the fact that he is very hot and he is not in the best interests of either the kremlin or putin in the end. There is even information that putin has problems with the fsb with his native fsb and there is even a suspicion that putin may simply run away because he has huge claims within his country about this. We will talk a little more about this in particular. Let me add that i checked that in fact turkey is not a signatory of the rome statute. Accordingly, it may not respond in any way to the warrant issued on the other side of the International Criminal to the court, but here the question arises whether he will take the risk. Because in fact, he was already invited to turkey in april. If i am not mistaken , he was supposed to come to some such largescale epic opening of one of the Nuclear Power plants there in turkey, but he did not risk doing it, obviously. Here again the dilemma is whether or not turkey remains a single country or not a single country. Where can he come without risking the fact that the country is a signatory of the rome statute and whether he will dare or will he have the will to forces of ukraine, even if turkey is a signatory to the rome statute of the International Criminal court, the International Criminal court can turn to interpol and say that interpol is, more precisely , the International Criminal court is looking for the suspect Volodymyr Volodymyrovych putin, and if so, the appeal to interpol will be considered that turkey should also respond to this appeal, so i think that, just like your example, it says that putin did not decide to go to the presentation of one of the projects to rosatom in turkey on the Nuclear Plant can be exactly the same now , er , i think that there will be no risk, but for some reason there is such an assumption. Grain about global Food Security however, we simply cannot deceive this topic, your prediction is whether putin will decide to go to turkey and whether there will be any unforeseen actions on the part of erdogan , please well, first of all, i agree with my colleague what bravery is not putins virtue, if he is a crown prince, he was simply afraid more than a nuclear war, then why be brave on the other side now . I think that he is inviting erdogan in order to watch and press the grain agreement, as he knows how to press when these meetings take place alone one because he is still a very powerful politician and he has a lot at stake, in fact, because putin took away from him a very powerful element that affects the image of the state as well as the financial sense, because if not im wrong, turkey is one of the top five beneficiaries of the grain deal, so erdogan is counting, and if i understand his logic correctly, he will not give public guarantees that putin will not be detained and that he will not be handed over. The main thing is that he arrived and the disgraceful agreement had a chance to come to an agreement, but if you look, for example, at the results of the telephone conversation, as it was reported in turkey and as in russia, then in turkey they said as an established fact that the parties agreed that putin would come and in russian it was written in the press release that they discussed several important issues and discussed putins possible trip to turkey, that is, they left this loophole so that putin could uh , well, say, and i didnt promise that, so i agree with my colleague that most likely putin will not go because after all, the risks for him are great and even i think he will not believe even in the guarantee of security. I understand, mr. Dmytro, if you imagine an absolutely fantastic situation, well , he went, he took such a risk, they were able to agree on the fact that he will pass and not be arrested then what can we talk about besides grain agreements there in turkey and who in general can such a meeting benefit from this meeting, it is , after all, the agreements that were signed before the agreement. They were signed at different levels. Turkey also signed separate agreements with russia and separately with ukraine and, accordingly, the fact that putin broke these grain agreements, he broke them not with ukraine , he broke them with turkey. Well, i am not talking about the binonglesi organization, because it is such a lowfunctioning organization, aerodogan it is a sufficiently functional politician, and i of the european variety and er, well, in fact, of that regional er, where is it er, where is turkey er, in that region and the black sea , including the fact that putin has actually stopped the possibility of shipping for the future because of the actions that putin is taking now this is definitely not in erdogans favor and erdogan should solve these problems in this way so that, firstly , the grain agreement was renewed and he could tell everyone about the fact that he pressured putin, and secondly, so that there would be no situation about which the black sea is not navigable because after all on the historical statements of the Russian Federation, ukraine has very clearly stated that all ships that will be sent in the direction of the russian parties and the temporarily occupied crimea will be considered legitimate military targets, and this is also a danger for the turkish fleet and for all other ships that either otherwise, they cooperate with turkey and turkey is not interested in this, so uh well, it is obvious that the biggest beneficiary of this whole story will be the Russian Federation, sir, but there is Something Else to add, if in a fantastic case, if putin is will fly will arrive will arrive in turkey i will also draw a fantastic option for you here if we are already fantasizing all together then i would like to see the next thing putin is conditionally coming but erdogan does not agree and erdogan says ah yes well thats the end of putins story as a free man but i i think that this cannot happen again. Why . Because russia clearly voices the following thesis that such actions, if we draw analogies when he was going to africa , such actions will be scattered by russia as a declaration of war, so he also understands this and does not will take such a step with a new agreement, russia may be ready to return to negotiations on the grain agreement, the United States of america has not yet seen any evidence of this, us permanent representative vaughn linda thomas greenfield reported to reuters, slona stressed that if russia wants to supply its fertilizers to world markets, Agricultural Operations it will have to return to the grain agreement let s listen we have seen signs that russia may be interested in returning to the discussion so we will wait for to see if this will actually happen in the meantime, turkey will continue to make efforts to restore the black Sea Initiative, this was stated by the president of turkey, recep tayyip erdogan, and his party, during a conversation with the russian dictator putin, who emphasized that the termination of the grain agreement will not benefit anyone , the countries that need grain have low incomes, edgan noted that grain prices have increased by 15 in the last two weeks, gentlemen. Lets really talk about the conditions under which russia can return to the grain agreement in the black Sea Initiative ukraine is now developing ways to export its own grain, but sir, lets go to both questions, mr. Oleg and mr. Dmytro, after all. Maybe just after a long personal conversation there , or after a meeting at a certain level aa with the black Sea Initiative , russia will return to it in full dmytro well, i think that it will definitely come to it er will be forced to return due to the pressure she will now receive from africa. Lets remember this er african event in st. Petersburg where all the countries of africa were invited and only er third of the leaders of the countries came to it to this event and i think that putin didnt like it so much. And all other countries were represented at a very low level. And there was also a very clear statement from the egyptian leader who said that it was necessary to return this grain agreement well egypt can afford it one of of the strongest economies, but also in africa , but uh, it was a very correct statement, a timely statement, because you know, when a strong person declares something , all the others start to join him, and i think that most european countries. Well , of course, something is in vain, someone will be satisfied to get but for nothing it is not enough to get a normal state of affairs in the country so that there is no famine in some individual countries a and e in the end in the end i think that africa will put pressure on russia that there will be a famine and we have to stop it and stop exactly through actions of russia, that is, russia must agree to the fact that shipping must be restored, and grain must be supplied, and not in the form of handouts, to russia , which putin promised that he would give something there for free, but free is not enough, as we have already said, thanks to the fact that simply the black sea is navigable, and secondly, i think that what is happening now in novorossiya and in crimea, and you, here are the activities that we have on the sea from the armed forces of ukraine. I like what you call it. Its just activity of activity. They will contribute to putins collusion, because he will understand that ukraine is not just intimidating, but ukraine is the cause of these activities and they actually affect the processes and there are already sunk ships, and this is quite serious. I think that ukraine will also influence infrastructure, including the Maritime Infrastructure of the Russian Federation, and this will contribute to putins burnout. Well , erdogan, plus, plus, between, International Players will put pressure on russia. Lets recall one key word that sounded from plinkin of the secretary of state of the United States of america, who said that all of russia should say enough is enough, and i think that this will affect the Russian Federation. They simply have fewer and fewer arguments now to implement their terrorist policy. Opinions , please, and erdogans statement, you would like to discuss who called for the event to go to certain , well, there are flexible well, lets say nonconcessions and to meet some of putins demands regarding his return to the black Sea Initiative, and yet what can the russian dictator bargain for himself in the end if he does return to the black Sea Initiative . Well, first of all, we forgot one more player, this is china , because it is also one of the serious beneficiaries and there are problems in china and if the price rises for bread, the communist parties will not like it very much, especially in this period. There is er lets say this one they are all putting pressure on the agreement, not only by the beneficiaries but also by the consumers, and i am one element that is very cynical on putins part, and what he consists in is that he wants to destroy not only the infrastructure in the odesa area that will allow the port, but it is already blowing over his head i think one of the plans is to destroy this very infrastructure as much as possible so that when he returns he can say that well, look, i came back without any questions. But ukraine does not have the resources to support this agreement. Lets look at it differently then. It cannot be ruled out that erdogan is playing such a game again. Lets make concessions. This is not the first time, and for me it is very important that the concessions do not include the main point, so that the sanctions are not suspended or the sanctions are not stopped, because this will be a step in it will not show anywhere that sanctions are the very idea of sanctions will be destroyed and then putin will simply press through other levers due to other acts of terrorism, e. E. The lifting of other sanctions, so i think that it is not worth it to make any concessions at all, because and the United States irtugan clearly knows that if a terrorist demands something, there is only one option to agree with him, that is to destroy him, and not to hold any negotiations, so i think that the ukrainian side will be against the fact that they made concessions. I think that education still has leverage to convince putin of everything still restore this agreement because in any other case it will be a plus for putin putin saw that there is no international law, there is the right of the strong and this is wrong thank you , serhii vashchenko, director of the ukrainian grain company, joins our conversation in the meantime association p serhiu we congratulate you, we are glad to see you. So you are probably better than anyone at this moment to objectively assess the damages that ukraine is suffering because of russias sabotage of the grain agreements and because it continues to stubbornly bombard the grain infrastructure of ukraine, can you for the moment estimate these damages, what are they affected by, first of all, it is definitely millions of dollars, it is difficult to calculate now, because it is necessary for the Relevant Services to evaluate everything , certify everything, then we can talk about some specific damages, but it is worth noting that this is much less than 10 of the onboard infrastructure of ukraine, so we despite all these events, for all these tragedies, we can still provide exports, for example , the danube ports are working normally , so there is no criticality from the point of view of the export infrastructure at the moment, however of course, this is damage to terminals, damaged cargo, it s all money and its millions of dollars that ukrainian farmers will lose one way or another, which countries have currently agreed that because of their territories will be exported through their ports, we already know about the danube route. The latest thing is that ukraine agreed with croatia on the use of croatian ports for the export of ukrainian grain. It will be equally important for us to find alternative routes, so to speak, european ports that are currently not involved or very little involved in the export of ukrainian grain this is an opportunity for 50 of our exports. Of course, it is important for us not only against croatia, but also about lithuania , germany, and the netherlands, italy, slovenia, we have all possible ports that can help us, but it is not enough to talk about agreements with those countries or with those ports, it is important to talk about the cost of grain delivery to these ports we understand that it costs two and maybe even three times more to deliver to the port of croatia than to the port of constanta in romania, respectively from the point of view of the economy for the farmer it is not quite profitable because a few months ago the Ukrainian Grain Association appealed to the European Commission with a request to compensate the cost of transportation to european carriers who carry grain from our border to the specified ports, respectively, croatia, germany and similar ports. Through which we work in poland, romania and this , of course, will solve the problem of banks with our neighboring countries, because it will be unprofitable to lead to these countries, it will be more profitable to lead to distant places ports that will be able to transship our grain already to a large ship on and load it further to those countries that need our grain, you can then ask this appeal to the eu, this request he has a response from the side of the european union, has there already been any Movement Regarding compensation , the possibility can be discussed some are currently ongoing regarding the compensation of european carriers for these crashes, yes , the project was officially presented at the beginning of june before the euro commission, and now the negotiations on this issue are