Have highlighted the desperation of civilians for food. And the lack of security in the enclave. After everything that youve seen in the past days, is it time for egypt to open its border to civilians from gaza. As the top of the board civilians is this would be participating in a premeditated consistent effort. 5 is ladies to decrease the density of palestinians on their own territory and its something was politically we will not do because we supported the city and state side by side with us that we continue to take part of the tenants in need of medical supervision or medical help, we take so, but a large scale, a number of palestinians with basically we were playing into these really acts. But you know, it just has certainly made that red line quite clear. They will not accept any force displacement of palestinians, but how do you balance the humanitarian desperation . I mean, you know, saved the children just out this past week, saying that we are quote, witnessing a mass killing of children in slow motion because there is no more food left. How do you, how do you balance that with your red lines . Its an absolutely great question. We are in a very difficult situation. We cannot allow products that use to star. We dont want them to be shot it at the same time. We dont want to be forced into a position where we collaborate in directly with these ladies. By decreasing that, thats what i sent you. So what theyre doing is provide the as much assistance as we can turn the order. We had dropped also just about 48 hours ago and we continue to host negotiations with each varies. And then i guess the cost of these to try to deal with all these issues. But i guess my point is, you know, what point does egypt have no other choice . Morally then to open the border because you know, we know it, this is not a crisis of your making, but does egypt need to do more to help the people on the ground . I think we are doing quite a bit. But yes, i agree with you. There will be a situation where if theyre forced across the board, we will have to make very difficult decision. But how we respond to we, we clearly are not going to care for our students. But that being said, uh it should not be interpreted as meaning. Push them across the border and we will that yes, because pushing out across the board is not only a violation of punish penny and rights. Its also by the way, if violation of egypt is 80 percent we know of consequence. Yeah. And um, you know, id like to ask you a little bit about what is happening right now on the ground at the border because theres been a lot of questions about that. Egypt has been building some sort of security perimeter at the border last month. Your foreign minister classified it as what he called maintenance on the border. Isnt egypt planning an area to house palestinians in case of and its really offensive on rafa. N o i was, i dont know exactly it, but let me tell you what i dont know. The area where there is construction was originally an area of license buildings. They were taken down at before and moved out. The government rebuilt that area and invited the junction to go back to that, that they have not yet gotten back to that period. And its something that has been going on for over a year. You had the, the guys, a breakout during the last 5 months. So the pressure also became, uh, what are we going to do is the by the cities are forced across support. Uh, we will have to deal with a very dire you might charity situation, but we will also have to deal with the situation where we will not in any way direct your end or condone is maybe action that virus by the city and rights. And i suspect, but also that violates the dictionary piece of it. And that needs to be clearly understood as, yeah, so let me ask you a little bit more about the diplomacy that might be going on behind closed doors right now because and israels foreign minister has said that they have to and im quoting here, deal with rafa. Because they cannot just leave him off there and that it would coordinate with egypt to address concerns about refugees. What conversations do you think are happening right now between egypt and israel, especially when it comes to, you know, potential incentives, for example. I mean, you know, money and incentives for egypt to take refugees wouldnt hurt what it this is not an issue of money and it said, this is an issue. We are committed to it to states huge to stay the part of city and part of that of the just states is guys in the west. Like if we were to, to reduce the numbers there, that would be very, very gauge. Some is a politicians in the cabinet have opened, the said yes, we need to move by the seniors out of guys that are entered egypt or even into your and will fight financing to do so. Thats the advocate part so we can make this look. Oh, but we have made it also clear that we will not participate in this process. Uh, and i can tell you that effects on National Security and thats a violation of the patient is taking it back to getting aid and air dropping of aid is picking up. Even the United States has joined in there are currently discussions on how else to expand the flow, and you know, its been reported that President Biden spoke last week with president. Ill cc about urgency of negotiations and bringing more 8 into gaza. I mean, as egypt your next door, youre trying to get calm boys in. Do you see the potential, if anything, shifting on the ground so that more aid can enter . Yes, i do see if there is a hostage, a partial hostility change versus incarcerated, and a temporary cease fire that can facilitate a going in the recent, most recent incident that we saw just was 3 days ago, this was 8. Actually you brought in and organized by palestinians and his race. But given that it was a caustic song, is raised themselves. The fact the, the group of people who gathered around uh the vehicles they are so you can have a state, a substantial amount of a going in and a war zone in a culture. So theres no way to work secure area. So yes, we want, why are we austic the negotiations on c spy . It also to change one of the reasons stop getting people killed, but also about for more effective. You mention it. Right . And just to pick up on one thing that you said there, i mean the idea is actually said that indeed they did fire, but they didnt actually fire on individuals who were seeking to get a. But again, theres, theres 2 sides of the story. So i just want to highlight that thats the perspective that they are bringing in and the official statements. Lets take it back to the ceasefire talks because they, they were due at the time of this interview. They were due to kick off in cairo, egypt and guitar have been mediating between israel and a mazda, and your foreign minister has said in the past days that hes optimistic about a temporary cease fire being reached before ramadan. What do you think that ccs that might point to optimism for deal . Well again you have to ask them. Let me tell you what i think he meant he meets up. If you simply listen to all of the international uh, report everybody. Everybody has been telling these rays and thomas, lets have these 5 before rum about. Theyre worried about the situation on the ground. You may have to area political, but theyre also worried about it breaking out beyond the borders in the states on the, on, on these baseboards. So theres also the strength of expansion. Uh thats, that is what i think were see. Now again, 2 points to fabulous here. One, this is not a full face for, nor at full of hostages 6. This is a partial positive exchange versus those incarcerated and a temporary cease one. So it will be a positive step towards a complete ceasefire. Youre not going to get with the addition of the conflict or an ability to start rebuilding what has been destroyed unless you get a complex. But as one of the, you know, the traditional mediators between these parties, i talk with a little bit about how you think the pressure on those parties might be right now. Because we have World Leaders speaking out loudly against the scenes of suffering right now and gaza, even the us is real strongest, allies seems frustrated. Do you see this as an Inflection Point in the crisis . Do you feel the mood could change the dynamics on the ground . Again, so it goes up to that question. I think it does, but it has a section point from either we, we start a process of trying to deal with the imaginary situation or substantially and hopefully then the post politics, the policies and the security situation or Inflection Point will be that it will look to move towards a highly volatile regional context. I dont mean sol slipped out of his way. He was, they told me you see everything from tension and alexi to the literally in order to the Syrian Border stuff. Right. Whats happening inside garza problems on our border as well . This is going to break out of hand, so the Inflection Point is either we find a way to slow this box down and try to resolve. Its always going to break out beyond control. So youve made the bridge, theyre basically from the temporary cease fire talks. Now, to something a little bit more, a longer term and there seems to be a lot of will and diplomatic momentum. We have to say from both arab states and israels allies, including the us and the u. K. To secure such a long term lasting piece that would indeed include a 2 state solution. You know, you, youve seen over many decades the, all of the previous efforts that have failed is Something Different this time yes. The college of getting humanity is something they havent seen for tactics. So it was always a horrible incident in our insight, israel or a month by the new territories, into such a nation of meters. By the way, not by the other side, but private, wrong people. So weve seen that, but to see 5 months, 30000 people killed, at least because there are those under the wrong that we dont account for 70 percent of home women and children start. We have not seen that in a very long, long time. So thats something which, frankly, i come for egypt, we were the 1st to have a piece of paper with these ladies. And thats almost 50 years ago. 50 years after the 1st base agreement with isnt to say, not only a lack of control, you know, a comprehensive piece completely but to see the level of cubic and, and, and, and, and counter buttons is frankly quite shocking and it, it, it really, birds and my god as how have you been part of this process for so long and as, and as you are coming from egypt, id like to ask you about the saudi lead group of arab states that includes egypt. Jordan katara, the u, a. E, which is reportedly now pushing this post floor plan that would include a reformed Palestinian Authority, govern and gaza and irreversible pass towards the 2 state solution. From the perspective of arab diplomacy. What could be offered to sweeten the deal for israel . Because any, you highlighted the trauma of these societies is that the violence, the blood shed, there is no appetite right now for 2 states solution, israel after october 7th or so thats why i mean, what i let me talk about what i think can be done, rather than whats on the table by the, our group because i dont know actually how far theyve gone. Ok. I said crisis and concert. We need to say, ill give you 10 quick points, intense x, 6 Fire Hostage Exchange doesnt cost the rate that you want a terry support. Uh, security arrangements between palestinians is always in goza, including withdrawal of israeli forces, a, a, a declaration. So i recognize you find a city and state based on 6 months. 67, i say is the under occupation by we must say its its, its stopped by the city and state under occupation based on 67 area formation by the error countries of their error. They would summit, where they said they were all have relations with as well. If there is an end of, of occupation, i want to put all of that under a Security Council resolution. Every one of these points, by the way, a supported by, oh gosh, i create i want to have that adopted by the caching by the Security Council in an affirmative vote. And then we go to the parks because that will also require by the way, elections initially elections along part of city and essentially the government. Let me ask the settings. Yep. I mean its, its, you know, youre presenting here a plan, but i, i also want to ask you how you get that planned on with the mood that is currently on the ground. These really cabinet right now has said that any recognition of a Palestinian Statehood in the wake of the mos terror attacks on israel, on october 7th, which as we know, killed 1200 people and 250 were taken hostage. Theyve said, and im quoting here, it would give a huge reward to unprecedented terrorism. Whats your response to that . Were not dealing with one part of the problem rather than the other. What i didnt hear with is the whole issue, and im not actually asking these varies, and palestinians accepted at the beginning. What im saying is that us egypt, russia, china, french, u. K unit. We all support it, just a so huge. Lets agree to this and update that package and go with it. So these are babies and by the city showing that the okay, you have is these fire. Youll have secure is all it has will have security. But as soon as well have a release from whats happening, youre going to have to establish in your government cynics to deal with guys and the west bank. So were dealing with the whole thing as to to get it. And slowly, within a 2 year period, we can get there if you go to the, to the, to the address today cuz i know you probably got in your mind. Okay. Wife cathy, alex takes charge of guys and manage that and provide security. And thats a question which injections have been added as for hundreds of tops. Its probably the most logical, irresponsible question. Anybody can think of because we will not be surrogates, varies, but you know, theres that they were preserved. Let me just continue. But heres the thing. Yeah, they what they will, but i just need to follow up with you on that because you know and ask you to actually respond to what israel has put forward. They set out this competing plan for postwar garza, it does not include a 2 state solution. It does include overseeing security in the enclave. Youve talked about security there. In fact, netanyahu says that israel should have Security Control over the philadelphia cord, or we know that stuff, borders own between garza and egypt. Do you see any circumstances youve talked about coming together . Do you see any circumstances under which egypt would be willing to accept that the absolutely not, because thats what basically me. So what are the alternatives we occupied a security perspective . This is by point. Yeah, let me just tell you. If you tell me that this 10 point plan or a point of a number of points you want, what ultimately need show at the city and state down the road, then you can get you anything and it will not involved is way the security supervision over guess the out of state, i would definitely be ready to help rebuild not to know what the rate of the bill and well train and create mechanisms for better management engaged with the westman, but theyre not going to be so good. So basically secure is absolutely no way that they would accept that for you more. The reason why say that responsible. If we were to put addiction forces or training is in, we have a piece of equipment with these weights. And these weight is inter amendments here. What do we do to them . We end up shooting, but as soon as it is ready, its not going to happen. Youve highlighted all the challenges spoken, but what are all the alternatives that go through this . Give me a structure for a plan. And then we can look at ok is a security managed by an arrow international, contingent, orange and national contingent, palestinian contingent with our oversight. The details are, are, are plausible. And we can look at creative solutions, but not solutions that end up with the facto is ready optimization of guys that cannot. But i, i look again, was a 1st design, a piece of human with this. So there is a lot of security. We accept that. And were looking at ways to achieve that, but only based on your cant have security unless you solve the problem. The problem is occupation or, and these ladies want more transparency and more effectively security that we can, that we could look at, provided that the principal and the doctor patients there. Lets, lets move on because um, you know, egypt has been also part of this rethink of politics and palestinians. Air palace sending areas and part of, you know, the plans for potential governance within gauze itself. How do you see the prospects for fragmented posting in politics to be able to unite after the war . Because any of the Palestinian Authority president lockwood have boss, is looking set to stay in his position along with his security chiefs. Do you think palestinians will accept that and that the pe might administer gaza is widely unpopular. But let me put it this way. The only way to really administrator does that in a way thats the sector for part of sentience. And also we also were accepted by these ladies without occupation, is to have a policy and published in and you understand whether we liked it or not, how mass have less support before october 7th. Now they have more support, not because of what they did. But because it is a reaction to, to what they do backgrounds without the doubt it loaded the ph this already the basically the excuse me, uh, but we need to rebuild that. It may require new leaders are not, had lost it to that whole. Im saying is that yes youre, youre heading to the point right on the, on, on the head we need to get published and use to look for a new folder. Thats why i said, we need to elections and we need to just take to go to government. And theres both, whats back and guess theres a big debate also raging right now about whether or not to what extent him off should be involved in all of that. Egypt for its part has acted as a mediator between our mazda and its supposed israel. In fact, as weve highlighted, its also worked with him boss in recent years to counter and his lovick insurgency and the sign i. But you dont for you personally when you look at the situation after the horrors of october 7th can be really be part of a post war scenario. Again, typically the scenario if its a plus worst scenario, where we continue to have cyprus of violence, theyll be clark, theres no question. Theyll be fine. Because the asset metrical, even though many countries around the worlds consider them to be a terrorist organization, the United States, a do israel. And so this isnt a, this is the be careful year. I didnt say a postwar scenario where you have peace. I said, if we continue to have a cycle of