Antidepressants are stopping me from throwing myself off the news clips. Its good stuff to get them in by do anything to go back in time and not start taking those or anything. Yeah, i just said finished it. I wouldnt give up taking my medicine even if i have 2 years without any symptoms. Did you come in . Doctor said, action depressants dont solve problems. They just, none of them. Who is able to name is the main problem, is that many people wait too long before they gather enough confidence and try and to the presence shot is just wrong to think theyre harmless. Its fine because they really cant do immense harm to come. Must be shot when it comes to anti depressants. Whos right and whos wrong, who do they help . And how dangerous are they really the marries from hamburg. Shes taking antidepressants for 20 years. Ringback and shes been trying to stop for 18 and im trying to see i was in my early twenties, i got Model Nuclear elsis and i to assemble. But when it went away, i was left with a low level depression on sundays as trust. And then i started getting stressed by things that hadnt ever bothered me before and flu shot up and i went to a neurologist and she prescribed antidepressants. Secret of course. Then have you she started to notice i had more energy again paula so i went back to the doctor and said, i didnt want to take them anymore. He said ok, stop taking them and i did. And thats when it started doors. So the cutoffs i felt like my body was under, in men stress look like. So i think it was as if the devil was always chasing me. I was nothing helped with a stress. And these types of i still didnt look for it sort of shaking happening, but stuff because i just couldnt stand it record. So when i saw im on the slips, every cell of your body is wrong by terror, and it just feels like you can cope with it to tackle. You just cant bear it, but it doesnt stop for a minute on and on and on and on. Because this is, you know, so i think i was getting back to invite, to invite, to invite the doctors eventually realized that marys anxiety began when she stopped taking anti depressants. Her body was in withdrawn and still is shasta investment of your 1st claim, your own mental state. I said to me, id never have thought that stopping my medication could have had anything to do with it. This time it was kind of what it means. No one told me about side effects and in the long term issues or problems, getting them up with one of them. I think i said it was never mentioned either. Hopkins came out and i just thought that if the doctor gives you something a medication that is available in this country by prescription, it can be that, that for you to select so the, the number of prescriptions for anti depressants has gone of 8 times over the past 3 decades to about 1700000000 daily doses here enough to supply jeremys entire population for 2 weeks, the professor tom sure wants to know whats caused this mass of boom and anti depressants. Hes one of jeremys leading researchers into anti depressing cues. Hes also a sought after expert when it comes to treating depression. As a psychiatrist, he also studies whether people are being treated according to the latest recommendations. The this sort of see how youre taking out to the presidency name, correct. And on wednesday, and what are you taking for the faxing and not fax, the fax. And thats why the why didnt you start taking antidepressants . Do you remember the phone book on an invalid . At this is it as well . So yes, several thats in our family. I couldnt be happy anymore. Are going to dispense fully sign me. Its going to see like a fog, a difficult question, but ill ask it anyway. What helps the vendor affects in our conversations at the clinic or something else, or i dont know why. So unless its think about both i think but and also cuz of in the vaccine pulled me out of the ho but lots of talking and meeting people also did i started feeling better this . Yeah, sure. Okay. It was 5 years ago. Yeah. My preventative question. Why are you still taking the effects and i see is names for 5 because of my psychologist. Yeah. Chapel. So weve often discussed me giving it up upset some countries when sees and she says you shouldnt stop too quickly. Yes, they say that following a 1st severe bout of depression, 12 months course of anti depressants should suffice under way past that it would be a good time to stop at some upsets me, professor sure advises against taking medication longer than necessary, not least because of side effects including weight gain and sexual issues. But he says too often prescriptions just keep flowing in. I guess thats fine. Have a nice day. Its gibbs, im calling yes. Nice doctors think theyre safe if they recommend people keep taking onto the press instead of as i didnt need some vitamin d i to do a pleasant it also call me that these a lot inside. Thats the last thing factor you see reflected in prescription numbers. You going back solving much . I dont think you can save this huge rise in anti depressants. Prescriptions is largely because everyone with depression is finally getting diagnosed and treated but so and how, how did they perceive them to call them with the students yet . We havent that goal was tied in most cases of depression or just like to model its cases and you really shouldnt automatically treat like depression with medications. Hyundai this issue, its like as high eat i drink. I take my tablet. Is that my a deposit of my daily routine . It doesnt upset me or bother me, thatll be taking medication all my life and hes supposed to be. So if it doesnt affect my quality of life, it is quite a to me because i know these pills gives me a quality of life. Well that they can restore it as the vs. Them some stops again and, and be the most that goes into market over it. I christina is from live sick and has been taking anti depressants for 23 years. She lived in a group home as a teenager, after her mother took her own life. Depression appeared later in life. The leaves is kind of fish. I was in my mid thirties when i had to give up what i thought would be my life. And i just was then, i suddenly couldnt look forward to anything, but i knew a depressive episode could totally turn my life upside down at any time. Come cut from corston, pasadena needed several years to stabilize her mood. Not just through medication, but also with meditation and psychotherapy. The is vice this by me a but those key factors that can lead to depression play a role in mine, and ill just be in the side is one of those, the experiences or events in life that have contributed to me. But suffering depression. They proceeded, if hes, without the tightness or, and thats the of the, is the in balance of neurotransmitters in the brain in the home. Thats what casino was repeatedly told in the hospital. One of the transmitters beserra tonin, transmits information between brain cells. The serotonin hypothesis says that if levels are too low, transmission fails, and that can lead to depression. Thats why almost o antidepressants increase the concentration of sarah toner between cells. The theory is a simple one. The more sarah tone and you have, the less depressed you are the best inside of done. Its a convenient type offices or should be in by monday. Thats easy to understand because you have a simple, apparently biological explanation. It can say that i have a server toner deficiency and display for doctors. It also makes to comes the patients much easier. Listen, you have low serotonin and i have a drug that will increase it in a home. It makes for an easy conversation to head on. So i think thats why its so persistent and widespread. The problem is it is totally completely wrong. And yet the internet is awash with reports, claiming sarah tone and deficiency causes depression. Even though studies have failed to prove the hypothesis, no one actually knows what goes on in the brain during depression, and how anti depressants influenced the psyche. But science rejected the thorough tone and hypothesis long ago. Feel it absolutely have so many doctors will say they dont know if its true. Thats best because they have their doubts life. But you notice that theres loads to completely reject this simple explanation of dependency. We can yeah, find these uh, i can actually have on fox sheet and the i to opa and time for germany is the side of a bi annual convention of the german depression age foundation. People with depression and their relatives can come here for advice and talk to others about the professor early kagan, as a psychiatrist and chairman of the foundation, its financed by donations and public funds. He got his turn to the media to increase Public Awareness of depression. The most, i repeat visitors at the convention, which includes everything from musical entertainment to yoga tense and personal towns. The central piece is a series of seminars focusing on depression. Its causes and how to treated correctly thanks on came to know, did you ask the general public 95 per sam will say depression is a result of personal tragedy over work. Relationship issues, the discount. Thats what people believe this is of whos gone and thats not quite wrong. But the significance is massively overestimated them on the dip because you only see depression as a result of difficult life circumstances. Some people tend to reject medication at the same time is blaming wrong decisions and try to when its not, theyre not going to, i mean, to come in to, to name and people obviously arent willing to try medication if they think their relationship is to blame. And to, to its only when they understand, but it also has links to the brain that they understand things better to feet and less than its a relief for many to realize that theyre just unlucky. Theyre predisposed to this really stupid illness. And now they have to try and make the best of it, like others living with, for example, diabetes office, paid the campaign for years to increase the use of anti depressants by the people are usually skeptical because i often find an exaggerated skepticism towards anti depressants. So i dont see a risk of them being taken widely at an increase rate or frequency service. I think the biggest problem is that many people wait too long before they decide to try the problem. I know many people who say that was the point that their life change with eva configured. They dont song up these and type of thing. My leave on the slide. It helps feel free to mention that ive met so many people who missed out on thriving home because they rise garron because they were told antidepressants arent any better than a placebo or that theyll be come and dictate. People are told all kinds of things and are scared much more than necessary, as new to guest. Many attendees have personal experience with antidepressants. Just give it to the Search Engine to tie, admit anti depressants, helped me, and when i was really bad, other. But i suffered a lot of side effects and pretense was the most unpleasant side effects of the names and the invoking. And my emotions felt dulled and i couldnt cry, and i didnt feel like me any more smoother, just confused on the spanish to naples. The side effects were very strong on the side, and it took a very, very long time for the actual benefit as it took a lot of patients that month to month to each 5. When, who would you take anti depressants again . Name yeah, yes. I think i would sure fish a but perhaps was better supervision and may be a bit more. Well, i was lacking advice. Really see the best means you might think here youre pushed too much towards drugs. Truth, maybe id like to hear more about subjects like spirituality, meditation, and all those other things outside the mainstream, those 2 months it can be dismiss one business male to my thought. They were pretty weak here this morning. If i was honest, its very one dimensional argument and its very pro medication for me and not enough about the down sides. Yeah, im at the top and then weve spoken to patients who said this is a very anti depressant, friendly event was i couldnt do this in this in particular. I think that shows this antipathy towards anti depressants of us. I feel like thats doing a lot of damage to i believe it, father, under the 5, had to have this conversation with patients so often when i tell them to try them, this is and so many people were so grateful that they did in photography inside the house on 51 thats outside of the us, put that on, you know, my opinion matters. I just keep mentioning these are people who are allowing you to hopefully if of course i hope so. I hope that people listen obviously is what im not telling them anything wrong with sort of a disclosure. A pete, its, i know its such an influential position. Mean you cant accept payments from pharmaceutical companies in august, and when did i last get a payment . By 2021 and one of your article states within the last 2 years on rick, hey girl was Advisory Board member of johnson on speaker survey. Im a d j for example medice from i should be in this in the shop to the corporate office. Im in the fortunate situation that im not dependent on that at all. What this thing that was a speech for which i was paid 500. 00 euro. So with, with that is a very, very small something. This is guns, guns, giving us all the stuff to come in the opposite. Get sure about has been constant for years. A 1000 years 20132017. To 2021. Where you worked for various pharmacy companies. Him for these each doesnt preclude you from doing what youre doing right now. Being a mouthpiece kind of tune them salvage pop, lots of 5. Its been, its been oh, im also an associate professor. Were also conducting research into antidepressants, on the 4 flats run, mostly by industry, and we were engaged in collaborative work. Even if you cant avoid it, come with its own unfortunately, isnt about me, but you personally get paid because i havent received a penny in 3 years. Thats as far as thats from 2021 on the investment i in the past 3 years. I think probably id have to look, but i havent gotten anything in 3 years. Theres no conflict of interest to come to kind of christmas conflict. A foot note to a 2022 Research Article that hey will contribute to to says berkeley cagle reported receiving money from Johnson Survey biopharma. And it did say outside and independent of the submitted work data is the shot, is everyones convinced. They want to be influenced an item, i dont, they think they make their own decisions. Thatd be windows got funds based on their studies proving it. And so if you ask, do you think youre being influenced . They say no. If you ask if theres colleagues would be influenced, yes, by everyone believes that the only ones immune to influence, but it really affects your way of thinking and the police on the industry doesnt have money to burn it. So i think about where to invest in this to me, sometimes those are going wileys, i can tell you that because ive done it once, isnt house one hours on its top and being paid by the pharmaceutical industry for it and off the phone to have how much i edition in this to you will know how to do it because at some point i couldnt have a clear conscience that lied to me. I didnt think it was ethical to take any more money from the pharmaceutical industry. Right. I like gauge me off on now, thoughts auditioning as to what you dont hear on stage at the convention is anything about the growing doubts surrounding the effectiveness of anti depressants. Down step 1st arose in 2008. The psychologist irving crush was conducting research at Harvard University and boston. She was testing whether antidepressants work better than placebos. A cbs documentary about us findings cost a fire storm of controversy. Second study using data not only from the drug companies, Clinical Trials that had been published in medical journals. This time he got data that werent published, but had been submitted to the f. D a, which he got through the freedom of information. These are the studies that showed no benefit of the anti depressant over the placebo. What they did is they took some more successful studies, they published most of them. They took their unsuccessful studies and they didnt publish them. The 1st use the junk companys own information to show that for people with light or moderate depression, taking a placebo or real medication made no difference. Antidepressants dont work for them. Crush concluded that anti depressants only showed an effect and helping severe depression. The mary was one of those who for years believe the pills worked until she came across other peoples experiences on internet forums. They reported severe withdrawal symptoms every time they tried to give up antidepressants. Chapter 5. Understood no. I just and believe it. I always just thought it was neurotic rubbish from likely that they were people with psychological disorders and found it easier to the same. The drugs then look at themselves and deal with why they couldnt cope this. And thats what i saw to the subject that mary is a qualified psychologist and until recently worked in the Outpatient Department of a psychiatric clinic, she was never taught as a professional about withdrawal symptoms related to stopping the use of anti depressants. This i learned in my studies that these were non habit forming drugs. They didnt alter your personality or have side effect. Thats what i learned. And i just used to pair it at all back to my patients telling them that yes, they probably have low serotonin levels. I simply carried on repeating all that unchecked. Like every other psychologist, thats what you believe. I think stuff is done at the same time. I was sitting there trying to pull myself together on the function normally and speak normally to people, questions, and to help them on the award dimension of the field for the field. And the, i dont want to do it any more who, who has to hit a dancer, but i could have carried on a demo. And there were so many opportunities for me professionally in because i dont want to do that anymore. And i dont want to fight the system this way though. I just dont want to him came from its been a while. I just want to get better with me and but no big enough. He in one of his food and i dont want anything to do with these drugs. Going to come out next next to him. Some clinics now take an alternative approach. The center for Mental Health and marine hide in your combust spouse. In western germany has award, where no anti depressants have been prescribed for 5 years. Not even for severe cases. The head of psychology here, professor hi, not moss believes that depression is best explained by the events in peoples lives. She works with patients to find a checker and develop a treatment plan with various options. The his approach is often quite unconventional. Its kind of between them that is much less stuff. What can i do to make myself feel worse . My mothers phone, an inverted if i plan to feel really bad this evening by 8 pm. Say to be really depressed. And what do i do . Lets come on to the fall. I blame myself for. Stay in bed, just pull the covers up over my head. Think about sad experiences. Anything else that can office on this plan too much and then feel overwhelmed o