The analysis of the situation show in the coming to use the will be new armenians left and theyre going to cut off. This is a not to best nick planes, and i kind of bulky, armenian cannot live under the yoke of us about john. If i want to tell of a safe produce that they could have lived without the dance, they already knew what the sa, by johnny ami was capable of all can i say im angry at the entire well, which is fine that the washing and doing nothing also it coming out, the migraines coming to your, of the numbers are rising for years. The European Union has agreed that this is a crisis without agreeing on how to handle for years. This topic of the european, unions migration and asylum policy has been incredibly politically talks incredibly divisive. Between e u. Member states receive our viewers watching on cbs in the United States and to all of you around the world. Welcome. Wed begin the day with the beginning of what could be the end of newborn o cover block. Today, the administration of the break away enclave in either by john said that it will dissolve itself on january 1st of next year. That announcement comes just a week after a 24 hour attack on the region by the iser by johnny military, in an attempt to gain control. Since that attack, more than half of the 120000 Ethnic Armenians living in the corner of our box, and fled into neighboring armenian. And those who havent left or expected to do so, sooner, rather than later. No going back, these refugees fled the homes and nick on the account or back to a menia, bringing with them only what they could carry of the homeland as they know it is collapsing. The separatist government says it will dissolve itself by the end of the year and see control to as a by john however, its painful. Having you tell me what should i think from the increments we were born and raised in the garden. Oh god, obama said feeling good. So now its just nothing and done. The lives we had has been raised on tucked down, could you ever see, and what i can put into that now, how you chico . Im going to be jenny, kind of buffy media, but cannot live onto the yoke of concert by john change. A did vision with the some of the media used to defend us minimize, and we felt safe on them and to lift the as our meanings. Who would be high d as a by showing the government was quick to release his statement, promising to ease the integration of estimate communions, living in laguna, kyra back into the republic of as the by john but of the decades of a bit to struggle between on media and as a by john over the territory, armenians and nichol know, camera back have little face. Mean is Prime Minister accused as a by john of ethnic cleansing. Something which as a by john refutes the above it how to use the exodus of armenians from the going to cut them off as a result of us or by johns ethnic cleansing. Policy continues, analysis of the situation. Sure. In the coming to use there will be new armenians left and theyre going to cut off on us. This is a not to best nick planes in pay more than hoff this. Nicole. No camera backs uh median population has let the territory knowing that it is very unlikely that they will ever be able to return home well, enjoying nailed by a spirit jar of low. But shes with the center of analysis of International Relations in iser by showing. No, that is a think tank thats aligned with either by johns government. She joins me to 9 from boxes. Its good to have you with this this evening either by john says that Ethnic Armenians in, theyre going to cover by have nothing to fear that they can stay. Why then have we seen them leaving by the 10s of thousands 1st of all, good evening, and thanks for having me. And as, or as you rightly pointed as the virginia authorities declares out about the People Living and car up off our, our citizens. And we have tried our best as a by johnny side to meet their demands to meet their needs in terms of somebodys hiring assistance in terms of extending them and medical assistance and extending all sorts of assistance that they need. And also uh were not so much on contact with the short thats tied to her operation. It was very precise. It was very direct. Its only to mention that just in, within the 30 targets. So no civilians actually were her hertz during this operations. And we also heard from the worth of army as Prime Minister new quote, washington, whos that on the 21st of september, that there were no casualties amongst the various. So this stereo and this, lets say massive leaving of people from car boss has nothing to do with as of for johns policies. Its their free choice. First of all and also somebody said that the judge that the if i the knowledge that they are living. Yeah, i just wanted to say, you know, you said that there had been new casualties in the military attack last week on how, where, whats your source on that . We, of course is just we change the culture or i just refer to army as Prime Minister. Thats the primary source. Anyone could guess. The countrys Prime Minister said that on the 21st of september, the white one he was appealing to the nation, that there were no losses among the casual no casualties, no less is among the civilians. I mean, your stats, the official Reference Point that i was making, so on the intent on the part of as about jones as of a john to harm harm and a civilian. Therefore, we provided all the needs that they actually needed all the assistance that they needed, as of which also declares that not only the severest civilians are not our target, the never been our target. However, even those malicious and separate tests that fought against as a by john that were illegal to depart in the car, even may have given, had been given free passage to armenia and suffers. If theyre your turn to their barracks, they will also be granted. Im the virginia government says i, what do i, id like to believe you, but my point is we is drillers, we its, its impossible for us to get into and im going to call her back to verify these things. And there have been requests for either by john to let International Observers into the enclave to see exactly what is going on. And either by john has said that its not going to happen. Why to . Well, you know, um there are International Journalists covering the stories. And we have heard some of the researchers who have been in the past and watching brought acknowledge the fax to agents from suppress that they are being pushed and they are leaving at the end of the separatist. So they are doing was on the place probably you have to look for their legal procedures or how to make this things happen. So its not that were not lady letting anyone there. The only concern we might be, havent you the security concerns. So they might have some procedures to be filled in order to, lets say, fulfill all the necessities of the obligations all the requirements of security to us. I mean, security wise, we have to provide security of those people that are on into those territory. But otherwise, there is an International Coverage the, the European Federation chose i just wanted to, you know, make, make it clear. Has it said that in us or by john journalist have to request special uh, authorizations from the president ial administration to travel to call her back. And they say that theres authorizations are rarely grandson. Its because its not say 1st of all theres a huge landmark contamination. And if we bring in people there to the area that are not like mine free on how can we, uh, lets say, provide their Security Member as a virginia lands with right there as of a gender land is the one of the most contaminated was land life in the world will the 25000000000. 00 us dollars the search the years to clean those territories. And the millions of us about john is that were expelled during the 1st car before they counted school. But only because there is a huge landline issue, only because their homes are gone. So of course, secure with the ease of things. So thats why these things are not so easy. The European Union has no common policy on migration attempts to change that have led to many, late 9 summits, but no agreements is that about to change. Germany says that its agreed into stricter processing rules for Asylum Seekers and migrants that are coming to the e. U. But it only appears to be blocking a packed over standards and detention centers. And in the role of in g os, supporting migrants, several frontline countries that say that they can no longer deal with the large numbers of people arriving on their shores. Well, one of the countries saying that the can no longer cope is grace began on the greek island of less books has become a symbol of the difficulties facing. The use migration policy are corresponded emily, sherwin she met with some of the people they the manual lo, john radiates positivity. Thats not always easy for a migrant living unless most no john works as a volunteer in the for re a Community Center on the greek island, which has been in asylum hot spot for years. Hes helping with security at lunch today. Low john is from war torn south sedan and arrived unless both 5 months ago he applied for asylum and for relocation to another e. U. Country had this thing that we are placing inside the comments on the about the process. Something about the process, the development of the asylum process, and we have no, any adults shown, we have no way to go. We can go bug and we can go ahead unless if you finish the process, the center were low. John volunteers is run by n g yos for many microns. Its a refuge, especially because many get stuck waiting in the camp and in the asylum process for years. This summer has brought a huge wave of new arrivals to elizabeths official statistics show that camp is already over capacity since july. More than 1300. 00 people have arrived each month over 4 times more than before. The greek authorities rejected a request for access to the camp, saying they currently have too much work due to mass arrivals, the back in the Community Center, the n g o europe cares is concerned the situation unless both could deteriorate. With so many new arrivals, the housing capacity of the account is decreasing more and more the subject to use or some drop posts, which i huge tense. What people are leaving to gather is more levels where the hygiene conditions had a lot worse than in the other housing unit. And there is no a c, no fine. So it is, we have 2 sides as was the n g o says it has already providing food packages to over 400 people every week. In may, the Greek Migration ministry decided that the camp will no longer feed people whose asylum requests are not currently being processed. The long wait for asylum in europe. Emanuel lo, john, is using music to keep up his spirits. He wants the lyrics to his songs, to give comfort and courage to his fellow migrants salanza towards the noisy and before him. For as may know, when this one you spend one, it dont think, dont think too much, everything is having time. So even if the income of a thing would be fine, what im doing now, heres the big table by raphael goes on from the German Institute for international and security affairs. Ill be able to get to see you again the, i guess, the inability of the you to agree on the migrant deal today. I mean, hinges on how to share the burden of taking in these numbers and what to do if the numbers continue to explode. I mean, were talking about numbers that are increasing exponentially of well, considering all of this, do you still think that were going to have some deal to talk about at the end of the weekend as well . It is really embarrassing negotiation. I mean, this has been going on for several years and now were in this kind of final stretch till spring next year. And its overall over 10 pieces of legislation. So were just talking about one today that have been previous milestones in june already, which is particularly one about the burden sharing of its called that way. And now its about a crisis mechanism which has been particularly controversial because this crisis mechanism is not actually about sharing the burden. I mean, it is, has some elements of that, but its mostly about what kind of lee will do leeway. Do we give countries if they think they are under exceptional pressure, theres always some pressure, but what is the threshold and then what are you allowed to do . And many critics have said, well, this is basically opening the door for even more abuses or normalization of the state of exception me. Of course the counter argument is we need some kind of mechanism of the some kind to deal with exceptional situations. So thats been a really hot battle, so we are apparently close to agreement. But us, so what often happens in the you, there is a light lights twist and the last minute and one countries does have some extra requests. And so thats what we are in. But lets see, there is a deal though, is it going to impact the number of migrants arriving in the well, not immediately, any way. I mean, if all goes according to plan, all these laws or almost all of them will be passed in next spring. And then they will have to put into practice, which takes at least another year. So its a, the may mean i dont want to talk this down. It is important really critically important to have a perspective that we come back together after everybody trying to blame each other, right, but it is a long term project and so there is no solution around the corner to just kind of magically decrease numbers in the next few months and also have to disagree slightly. I mean, we are in a serious situation. And particularly because in germany we have in many of some other countries taking a lot of the craniums dealing with a different rate regime here. But still for schools in housing, its the same but the number of regular Asylum Seekers. Yes, theyre out, but theres not the same as in 2015. And so im going to, im going to ask you if we use, if we look at the use migration policy, pre 2015 and compared to what it is now, it hasnt improved. And if that was a reference before we had a 1000000 people coming into germany, as a matter of fact, the actual legal policy that we have is about 10 years old. It was agreed on 2013 and then came the big shock. And everybody realize, hang on this is not really quite working as we thought it would. And so well, in that sense its not better. But of course you could say, well, weve had a long negotiation and learning process and that was on the table now. May be better, i mean there are tons of criticisms on the table still. Yeah. Um, but if it goes according to plan, yes, it might work in the sense that we would have for some migrant quicker procedures. Perhaps wed also have more returns. We should have more incentives for states to actually follow the rules because of the moment we have rules, but theyre not really implemented. So, but this is a lot of think if, what do you say, what do you like the devils advocate like this and say what, youre just, you know, youre making these baby steps forward, but actually, youre just doing band aids on the problem. Youre not really, youre not fixing it. Well, uh, sure, yeah, i mean its a huge compromise. It is a huge compromise. But at the same time, we also should be realistic, not just putting blame on europe or you know, this will be other government look at the us. I mean, there is, there isnt the solution out there. You know, you can only make it somewhat better, somewhat less chronic, hopefully more humane. But migration will stay with us and also, you know, asylum is an important thing that we conscious delegate a way to 3rd countries. So yes, its politically on the pressure at the moment, but we also have to be clear on that. The, the, the notion of the right to asylum and the, you know, the right to have border protection. That is something thats like target number one here in germany right now. For a lot of people we, when youve got Regional Elections coming up on how, whats the potential of these elections, torpedo, we any possible progress right now at the level . I dont think there is going to be a direct impact, but we have some measures going on nationally just the data driven. Government announced not stationary, but flexible. Border controls to poland. I mean, thats a clear signaling. You know, for the next elections. There is also other debates about, you know, social benefits or others. So this was strange and their turn policy is on the national level. But of the level. Well, i mean actually it made this deal possible because in a sense, germany, how to drop its objections. Because you know, something seemed to be necessary to be doing, you know, so i wouldnt overrate that. Im more worried about it. So the staying the course because that is a bit more one of the time. Yeah. Well, we will see because of the, the new Prime Minister, certainly willing to speak your mind. That is for sure. But if you have a song, its always walk, youll get to see things coming in. The defense ministers of germany. It is real. Theyve signed a deal to supply the is really made Missile Defense system error. The 3 to germany, the hypersonic system will become a key part of a german lady, European Defense against any aerial attack, berlin hoops to have it up and running within 2 years. The agreement signed today is also the largest deal in the history of israels defense industry. Heres the German Defense administered speaking after signing that to as a sub, wondering what time its without exaggeration, the historic day for our 2 countries were in agreement that the arrow system will make german at defense fit for the future. Just thoughtful, full time. You want to go to austin. Its one of the best if not, the best system team is. And were very glad that we could really come to the signing of the memorandum of understanding today after relatively short negotiations. Come on. All right, were now i want to bring in bradley bowman. He is a senior director of the center on the with jerry and political power at the foundation for defense of democracies. Hes going to choose harvard this week here on the day, right. Its going to see you again. What kind of protection will