Issues from china to the economy to aid for ukraine, with the former president far ahead in the polls. Well ask if any of them came closer to winning their parties. The pablo phone in the us, welcome to the program, the separatist leader of the, in a gore know cairo buffet territory within us or by john has declared that it will cease to exist by the beginning of next year. This comes after azerbaijan arrested his pre to assessor armenian russian billionaire ruben for tanya was brought to the capital of underbrush on the back who after being taken into custody while on route to armenia. This comes as armenian authorities, a more than half of the population of nicole. No car box has fled since, as or by john tokens protest the territories last week. The Prime Ministers Office says more than 65000 people have now arrived in armenia from the break away regions. The dont use, maria, cut them out to, is at the Armenian Border with azerbaijan, where she met some of the people seeking safety. Streams of cars continue to arrive at the Armenian Border. Some of them have been waiting in line for days to beach safety as a by jones ministry. Take a bit of the break way region of nicole new camera back to last week from to thousands of estimate communions to leave that homes and their lives behind them. Marguerite, dyslexia, and is one of them she and her family of 12 that the village. As soon as they heard the sounds of messiah nearby crystal, theyve taken refuge in this hotel in the army and bowed to town. Of course it has become a makeshift shelter. 6 dark for all my shoes, but the only thing that happens, all of a sudden it doesnt do, nobody expected it. So there was a no true bundle and we were bump that night because we didnt know where to go. Logs in his valley, we thought wed run to the forest to wait until the situation come down. So we were told that we had to escape. I ran without taking anything of just my family. My duck is usually an issue. One is just knock rita and her family suffered during a 9 months long blockade, imposed by the as the by johnny government. Last december, the enclave was cut off from the outside world that would critical shortages of food to medicine law. We had no flour, a numeral gain if they scott sugar or no food and never go through and i have no milk for my grandkids a lot going. Nothing. Well, how can one live like sandwich talk . Most of the refugees found shelter here in gorgeous, just 30 kilometers away from the homeland as the by john has promised to guarantee the safety of s. Nicole medians. However, mil agreed to assist. They had no choice but to leave possibly forever. During this, neil howard joins us from the armenian town of coordinates or near the border with as are by john. Welcome to the division use. So the separatist leader of the nicole know car box territory within us or by john as weve mentioned, has declared that it will cease to exist by the beginning of next year. So does this essentially mean that the armenians are giving up on the corner of car buff . Yeah, i mean, this is essentially, would it be the formalization of something that was uh, that was already going to happen since last week, when they did a separate discovery, agreed to the disease fire and agreed to the dismay at the disbandment of the car. But the fed, sorry, that that meant that you know, the state was, it was already going to be going down this path and, you know, already in the either way. The fact though, in a couple of days the, any, any practice of state are going to cease to exist as the exit is going to be complete. Well do we have any indication of what happens next in the territory . I mean the, i think were, were, were, were going to see you then very soon in the next couple of days and given how fast things are going to complete the population, you know, were already at, by the visual statistics. I think 65000. And thats surely a 100 pounds, so i think it should be in the next couple of days. Everyone will make it out. And then i will add guarantee for these the populated cities, villages. Or they just had the line broke off ever so slight need there for that. Are we essentially dancing a complete withdrawal . Yeah, itll be a complete withdrawal or very near to it. You know, im also hearing that people inside the concord the now are, are struggling with fuel shortages, lack of vehicles, those you still want to leave, but of course are, dont have the means to do so. Yeah. So, so that can become an issue here, but the books, i think everyone will be reading from the territory. And that tells here youre in the border area. Whats the situation like there . I mean, its a good, i think of the proud the flow of traffic is load a little bit, but you know, its still constant. I mean the, in order for 60000 people to cross in, you know, essentially 4 days of the main stream started on monday. That that means that an incredible amount are coming through. Um it down just a 2 lane road just constantly. And so that theyre, theyre getting to their writing in glories, the nearest major city here, and then theyre be put on buses and going to places elsewhere in our media where theres, theres Housing Available for them. Now if there is a, a complete withdrawal, were talking about over a 100000. 00 people and entering at armenia. How equipped is the country to deal with the arrival of tens of thousands . I mean, it seems like its, dawn was ok to dates, you know, theyre, theyre, theyre the streets an awful lot of people sleeping on here and glories that people have a lot of people who move through quite quickly. But at the same time, you know, a 120000 people would be in one week is difficult for an estate to deal with, but alone, a developing country of under 3000000 like our media. And so, you know, there are plenty of reports of people or, you know, just be hosted with say, a retired set of batteries or just being hosted with brands or temporarily hotels are still searching for a permanent housing. And yeah, it is, its the last for the country to deal with during this neil, howre in the Armenian Border town of coordinates or thanks for speaking to us today. And d, w. Thank you. And heres our end of, of some other stories making headlines around the world. The north koreas parliament has backed a constitutional amendments. Cementing the countrys status as a Nuclear Power eater came, john told the assembly, it was important to accelerate the developments of such weapons. Us officials are concerned, russia could help with north koreas weapons program. Taiwan has one, failed its 1st domestic rebuild submarine. As the island seeks to boost its defenses against china, type pay has increased defense spending to 19000000000 dollars next year. Most of the hardware will come from the u. S, but the government is building 8 of its own submarines and interior ministers from European Union members states are meeting in brussels to discuss the asylum and immigration. Theyre trying to make progress on long sold reforms of the blocks policy on the issue. Countries have so far failed to find a common position on the contentious issue. Leaders for line states, including if they agree, say they can no longer deal with the large numbers of people arriving on their shores. Destination countries like germany say theyre also struggling. Several you countries of feeling the strain from an increasing the migration gym and he reported a spike and Asylum Seekers during the 1st half of this year. Adjusting the last few weeks, there were reports of more and more migrants coming to gemini via poland. That the check republic from russian delegates the island of, im producing italy also saw such thousands of people who writes this month, people arriving to the you for a range of reasons whether its fleeting war, poverty, or persecution. In 2022, nearly 1000000 people ask for asylum in the u. This is the highest number since 2015 and 16 when millions of refugees and migrant came to the most fast applications in 2022 registered in germany, in france and in spain. But thats not when most migrants initially arrive. There are different routes to the migrants who cross irregularly over the mediterranean sea, arriving due to the increase of this attempt to enter by of the land route to the best and balkans. Both land and sea routes are dangerous, but crossing the mediterranean has proven especially deadly thousands drone every year. You bought a country when most migrants arrived. One really . They say other you countries should help share the bad. But how to do this has created deep divisions. You lead us once to make it more binding products to relocate, migrants even lead throughout the book. But not all Member States agree. You lawmakers also at odds of a crisis regulation. It could be applied with large numbers of migrants head towards europe and allows Member States to relax certain routes. Gemini, insist on a high protection legislature, human rights, other states, one more flexibility, differences that lead asylum reform negotiations. Deadlock. All right, lets bring in our correspondence and brussels band re good found great to see you at no, youre following at the meeting today, what we expect to come out of of the homeless as ministers of the union are quite optimistic that they will eventually finalize the new pact on migration as it is called, theres only one piece missing, and this is an emergency clause that would kick in if the numbers got suddenly very high. And theres still some dispute going on about this. But as i said, theres optimism that at the end of the day, they the finalize this. The pact itself is designed to bring fast the procedures of the external borders of the user in italy and greece and make it easier to push back migrants after a very short procedure. And then also be for the 1st time a mandatory relocation scheme for all Member States of a certain quotas. This is quite new and that was the revolution heavy breaks. Raise your bill in june. And that the packed, as such, is not designed to prevent migration and as such that European Parliament has also, id say negotiations would start soon. And then it would take 2 years until the pack actually kicks in. And well have some results on the ground and monthly vba, the head of the christian democrats, the Biggest Group in parliament, told the w. And that the pact, the not of keep all margins out of europe in general, took to crying. Youre helping in the moment 3000000 ukrainian refugees in the European Union. That is an amazing number. No one else is doing so. So we have to be a continental helps people who really needs help. But on the other hand, its clear that this mark loss of the mafia, they organize crime is really pushing a lot of people who was admitted terry and it was festival. And that has to be stopped now bound to is there much agreement among you members on how to program like progress at all on this issue to the old medicines actually agree that they need more agreements more contract. Small memorandum of understanding this trends that is states and states of origin of these markets, especially in north africa. So the, you find it was just a deal was a to nisha. Theres one was libya and a negotiations are going on. Was in the rockland or egypt and also the, the agreement is turkey has to be refreshed because only if these countries hold back the smugglers and the migraines, then the numbers in your account come down. This is the calculation. And in europe, these modern packets and contracts with north africa, also, and not uncritical or dest. They also disputed, because you have to deal as autocratic states and states, and k is like libya. Thanks pants. He told me you corresponded in brussels band. He gets off for more on this topic, were joined nearby. Now he felt a frank, a Research Fellow of Migration Management at the German Council on foreign relations. Welcome to the w news. So Member States in Southern Europe like if we have called for it solidarity from the rest of the block. Have their calls been answered . Yes. Hello, then hello from brussels, where im following this very closely. So indeed, im a part of this negotiation going on on the crisis regulation at the moment is really about this corrects of hall, sorry, that can go there to between numbers. States can work under pressure. What 15 out in number 2 is a, is a crisis where of course, a lot of people are arriving because of the weather because of the instability in, in the neighboring countries. And its all the time you should not be alone dealing with this great is nor should monta or cyprus im, but each of you especially, is not ready over run night. So. So a crisis as being leveraged also in these negotiations. So know are what were seeing is that we are coming to a compromise where everybody has to uh to make room for everyone else has priorities and as are corresponding rodney said, and everybodys quite optimistic that we might find a compromise. So that things weve been you, if i can move forward. Why does the European Union struggle so much in dealing with migration and why . Um, well, because all of the interest of the European Countries are different i, are you doing very well aware. So its always a very good predicted exercise to have find the right balance between the interest of states that are, are the external border of the European Union. Thats faced of the bunch of, of the work in terms of controlling the external borders. They also are, are under pressure from the members, stays that are more in the middle of europe that are a want them to a, to, to re registered people and also to offer them asylum instead of letting them travel on. So it, we do have very different interests and you also have different just restored migration, different Different Levels of instrumental. I vision for the rise ations also, i know we see in germany, emissions are running very, very high in the context of the upcoming elections. So its also always when things at home are complicated, but additions are under a lot of pressure. And then of course, right, a lot of the things that we need are not in our hands. Its not just within the open unit. We need solutions when installations with the countries of origin. So thats why my, the version of the commission now is include, you are in gimme out to speak with these governments to try to see what they can offer them. Right in Northern Africa is a correspondence of but the problem is that these countries dont necessarily have a reasons to assure them other European Union and the your opinion not doesnt always have attractive offers for them. You mentioned germany there in germany is debating fixed border controls on their eastern board. And weve been talking a lot about the use external borders, but were talking at actually in internal border now. So is that really a long Term Solution considering its an internal board within the European Union . And so our internal border controls in the European Union are never a long Term Solution. Theyre always short term crisis responsive. But sometimes, you know, nothing is more firm and another temporary, so weve seen a several. You countries that ive kept in border control, germany has to on the border with austria, because thats the largest upper randy that these 2 countries are found. Im boarders are controlling the borders within their European Union, and its not necessarily something thats wrong in itself there. So a couple of offend advantages to that, but also do the advantages. So the advantages that you can disrupt the roots of this my colors and increase port or short time the number of people that are intercepted. And so smokers be identified and people in engine protection that are registered and then can place the recycling claims inefficient. And youll also see push backs, which is not uh, not within the, the, the rules. So thats, thats not acceptable. Thats just that you could say front of, you know where to go sample. And thats also what happens when you have a border controls. Now it has a lot of these and vestiges and you have to notify them. But after p i also make researching with the the other team members, the partners that tend to do both and not to present arrivals. And theyre very costly and you need another policeman to do that. So thats, that we now have a decision on this in germany and its good because because of the emotions i so high, every statements coming from the Insurance Industry and the other parts of government acting really under a lot of scrutiny. As its good that theres clarity now. My revolves are frank and migration researcher. Thank you. Thank you. Now, one of the countries saying they can no longer deal with the number of people arriving is greece. The camp on the greek island of the last bus has become a symbol of the difficulties facing the use migration policy. Our correspondents, emily, sherwin met with some of the people there. Emmanuel low, john radiates positivity. Thats not always easy for a migrant living on lives. Most no, john works as a volunteer in the for re a Community Center on the greek island, which has been in asylum hot spot for years. Hes helping with security at lunch today. Low john is from war torn south sedan and arrived on the list both 5 months ago. He applied for asylum and for relocation to another e. U. Country had this thing that we are facing inside the comments on the about the process. So now about the process, the glimmering of the asylum process and we have no, any adults shown, we have no way to go. We can go back and we can go ahead unless, if you finish the process, the center reload. Young volunteers is run by engineers for many migrant. Its a refuge, especially because many get stuck waiting in the camp and in the asylum process for years. This summer has brought a huge wave of new arrivals to elizabeths official statistics show that camp is already over capacity since july. More than 1300. 00 people have arrived each month over 4 times more than before. The greek a