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The motor and everything was going well and s b a. Then the war began to sort of not everyone was forced out. This is my father. What. Whats his name is more of what is the g . The invest quite his hands were tied. Yes. Whos that . My brother in law comes. I told bosh comes up to the bush for them quite as you know. His hands were also tied with plastic. See how that works . Can i encourage a copy . Would you like to leave the upload a sent a way the women in his family and some relatives he kind of uh, let me see that for you to necessarily city on september 23rd, 2019 at around 3 pm. Total 7 or 8 born or is entered the house, let me just see is youd be it. Yeah. And what was, what was that they were probably russian, bruce or the my brother Mohammed Mohammed are the norm and it gets plastic film. Definitely. You know, if its monday enough, so just like the others listen, yes. One of them who were also tied up like that more but you cant get free. So sort of any lane my boy to the land. How about i told him he should go fish and whom is that . Why did he stay . What kind as if he was too proud to go. He told me he was ready to die in his house and with the in april 2019 libyan war. Lord general hi, lisa has launched an assault on the you and recognize government completely as capital tripoli the, it soon became clear that have to us troops known as the Libyan National army, d l. N. A. Were not acting alone. The service that the Intelligence Agency reported on it kind of cut them, not that many of them youre an estimated 200. 00 people. Me to answer about them. But the fighting went on, are the number grew up of what the what are the from the start these forces made a difference on the battlefield. A clear difference was how kennedy had they had weapons wed never seen before as to how they can then was howitzers will see any precision guided ammunition can snipers and thousands of home was a muscle counters that they hit with a him daddy. Those 10 he was about to take and take out a moving car. No time to little from ken. Hey. Anyhow, they were highly trained militarily. Any kind of deep asked me for unlike us to death comedy. Any. I mean and can we any jimmy . Honestly, they all were the same close helmets and body or the the canada. We found out who they were when they went to the front. Im and im, im in the view. They were mainly russians and were from countries of the former soviet union. Soviet 4 months reporters from the bbcs, arabic and Russian Service is carried of research into russian mercenaries in libya. The theyre known collectively as the wagner group. But who is dog now . And one was the group in libya and most importantly, who was pulling the strings the then unlucky break the okay, here we go. Um the bottom how thats how the the, the we got this is the tablet government. True has found us a lot on sort of the about the call to hold them to the fucking alternate. Well, it belonged to one of the wagner men who were stationed in the islands. Our area was in the south of tripoli. I cant imagine why you didnt see him on top of things are going to dallas. And i tried that and there are a lot of houses on the most important is offline maps. Many locations are marked on kind of thrown on a, an idea of them in america. Where the see, this is triple in the west of livia. All the names are and russian. Many locations are marked in different colors, the markham, or next to the edwin sonic, a like a minimum of probably below last most, most in read below and others are in blue. And theyve already been bothering across a few smaller places in black. We even see yellow here, and those are the, as you see, all the points are near ions. Are of the south of tripoli, sorta, who are you if youre gonna start off with the adamant again, i is the, were going to ions are the middle where this tablet was filed with the brand names that are kind of items are a head, a heavy russian presence according to the civilians and military personnel where they ask any of you that kind of want to come up to them, as you can see in the areas now m to how many is or if there was a mass exodus for hines are at the time and sort of things that its residents returned once the war ended. I know the they were way for more than a year and on the Southern Center veterans you wont find me under high some while i finally spend 9 weeks fighting voc number scenarios in odds are they were only 10 kilometers from tripoli. And i do some of these on the enemy was over there by the tower in the mosque and getting into cleveland. They drove up and down in an Armored Vehicle with their wounded countries of house. Oh and you can most of the time, this is where the russians have their observation post where theyre snipers were stationed. Lets have a look at the, you know, where was the sniper . Exactly, at the moment this was his domains, the net. We were at the end of the street and he had this investment. Oh, okay. Not to come out here. He had a clear shock and several directions to everything and view. Then they could have been out there. I have. What do you think about the russians who are here . Most of mercenaries. Anyhow, they only care about money for a heavy you need a search um and then they kill somebody they will see if they commit crimes for money. The problem that in and is its a criminal organization. One of them is it only. Ringback really about about off has been researching the wagner group for the bbc for years pioneer. So these are, these are the locations that were saved by the vegan, a soldier on a tablets as they were fighting. So they would have the tablets on them. And all these locations were saved as landmarks. So do you have a significance to a soldier in regards to the fights and they were doing and names are. So a, if i start from the top here, and this is the closest point to ship really. So this would be a nines are fine line and im going to zoom in a bit more. It is a, this could be a list of targets. For example, they write to thermal targets, or nighttime arrival. Diesel reach beloved said it may be that meant a shell landed there at night, so i dont know who to do with this. So if you feed zoom in here earlier, is this mohammeds station. It probably means some kind of local commander was working with them because lower down is the word study, use it. So the kids, so due to the arabic means, friends. So they can use of they called the troops, they cooperated with and syria substitute troops and d, c, d, w, thats apparently what they call general half cars forces. And lydia was come up and she learned very simple edition because in so then good and so called sound like code names. They probably had a check point at the junction of each other as it comes to judging from the code names, the read positions are those of the mercenaries. So and if you think from the code names that we have for some of the soldiers, will we be able to identify them . Yes, of course. Hes cute. We have list says wagner personnel with names and code names and events. And you say that to me just because theres no thats those nobody we could use this map to start digging limits. And thats a stupid thing to do. The typical buttons that are, unless someone is at the wagner group, is one of the most secretive organizations in russia. I could send that because it doesnt even officially exist, but its important that you present more than 5000 people have thought to be part of this organization, named after the grades of german composer. When you get to comply, you and i dont mean to bug, the mercenaries dont give interviews. Some kind of done you that you do to former members agreed to talk to us if we kept their names and identities see criminal, but it was for the semester. Could i mean not uniqueness, to explain the meaning of these are their exact words spoken by actors sort of what i need to get his cousin level, the measure of some of the past all the lets start with something simple as you can company, how would you explain who the wagner group is and what it does to someone whos never heard of it. And if it does that, it can use that to. If you to my husband, you might, its not just a little i still knew id probably start by telling them what i was told when i joined the patrol about that just to go to control it. But it knows its an organization that supports russian interest yonder countries, borders me. So to get to that, but it does much not livable noon. Yeah. So because of that, you know, it takes on special tasks that means military operation was east. So then what kinds of people join them . What is led to me . There are 3 categories, 3, could you go to that the little g firstly, men who cant imagine any other life for themselves at the core and mercenaries. So that to that list job is the only way they want to live and earn a living. We submit that. So you raise nobody loves shit. Sports is that about the, in your junior book of what they prefer, you see that i get you go to it till you get to the category to people with a sense of hopelessness. Any more would make us more or less the theyre still existing now they cant see any other way to support themselves. I know exactly who did we come because theres no other option. Good. Yeah, i gotta mines a key. And the 3rd category romantic, usable a dream, or is in search of an adrenalin hit. You know, also want to serve their country. Issue was more of a list. First movie to cheese. Wagner units, photo along side pro russian separatists in Eastern Ukraine in 2014. In 2015, they showed up in syria, and then the Central African republic ensued on and in 2018 livia. Over the side, we started getting reports of russians fighting for the so called wagner group on hop star side. In the fall of 2019 half that i cannot see a heidi how the scene with this of us, the vineyards in front of us. I dont know exactly how many were in libya. Be so 500. 00 both a 150. 00. 61500. The numbers very not what they were there in 2019. Thats a fact. We saw mercenaries come in on both sides of the conflict. You also had a number of the syrians, thousands of syrians who were brought in uh on the part of the on behalf of the gen a through through turkey. We were concerned about this, you know, insertion of mercenaries and weaponry that was perpetuating, intensifying the conflict and leading 1st and foremost the reservation of the living people. This need needed to stop because we knew there was not, there was going to be a military solution to this conflict of from, of, as far as i understand, it is so cool. The russian governments position was the following. Legal, you have left them joint and well wait it out. What early in the front of the mother . Yes, i can at these you can look at these usually if it works out well, we can use it to our advantage. If it turns out badly, then we had nothing to do with it much that are either so last time we spoke we um, we shared with you uh, some of the exams are found by the tablets under locations or the tablets. Um. Can you tell us why you manage to find the yes, we ran all the names and code names of wagner fighters thought to have been in libya through a database. The database was compiled by ukrainian volunteers during the fighting an Eastern Ukraine in 20142015 unit b, that we were able to identify 2 or 3 of the fighters on the triple lima by it. So i thought of the proposal, the 3 kinds of people. Oh wow, thats amazing. Are you able to share with me one of the identities on in the chat . So can have a look which is which we now know that this is dimitri, but on se, born in 1993 is code name. So lang that makes sense. And its the name of a river embody. Gotcha. And the Russian Far East of them is weird. See, hes from buddy up to you and that explains his code name. I just wanna see if its available for you, his personnel number it shows hes one of the 1st people that joined bog down in the, in the mid those with numbers up to 3000 are those who went to fight 6 years ago in ukraine and not an issue facing, they went through syria and theyre now in africa, which is to the earliest the thank you, looking at his birth date is about 28 years old. So that means he started fights and we were begging there at the start of his twentys. Yes. Judging from his age, he probably completed his national service, then the crane conflict started. Thats how he got involved. And you said youd be doing sort of the pacific on which we stood. Or what if ive sent you another link in the chat this methods the that is the date and me, its kim at tell kids and say door and tray of it. I hope i pronounced that correctly as model how to code name meddler made me to the meta, exactly a short version of his surname. And thats the kind of showing that you will find me. What information every minutes together about this guy. Hes significantly older than but on top over 35, judging from his personal number, he also joins wagner, 5 or 6 years ago, during the fighting, an eastern new crane. Who are you buying . Uh, building the best i can can i you know, and yeah um, so seeing this interesting picture of this guy um was a big tattoo units on a chest. Um, any idea of it is tough to means of these . Yes, i see its a sun wheel. Hes probably some kind of nazi. Im not say i dont, this is a common thing amongst background soldiers. Yes, there are some. So do you have um is them a phobic believes in . I dont think they care if they find in muslim countries or anywhere else. They started out finding an orthodox ukraine, and that didnt seem to matter. I dont think religion is the main thing here in a business means that i have to go up to, to be an option. What was it that attracted you to the organization . I didnt get money with him and you know i was a boy on the number to catch the but id already been a volunteer fighter and done boss in ukraine able to go they need to, but i dont mind to keep away in the i no longer believe in the romance of war, still the quick lane not. I knew the reality. So get onto the website. Yeah. I just needed the money to genuity. So thats good we, when did the talk about going to libya start, when did you believe that its going to show we started talking about it early on whenever theres some kind of armed conflict. Wagner soldiers talk about it. Luckily, im not sure and go, you could go to this one. That could be one for us. I went to the polluted with the door, but almost of color start to get a, its a come put up at the game. Every contract in every country means money. Yes. And you have to come without a contract . No money. So did you do that or what the pricing to be . The minimum . How many wagner people were deployed in libya . What do you mean . Yes, my brother, i know about 2. 00 units and they were replaced by another to me. I knew about them such as some of the of the school, how many men union one was i dont know exactly around a 1000. I can get the some with the kids and get into these each i so thats an i some, i have a tablet that we got from one of the wagner locations, or on my uh, equipment and on and off months of and them, their forces are in red yours are in blue. Uh. Let me see. The i was stationed here the fucking town river long, and then when you were stationed there, yes, 50 the enemy knew precisely where you were or how does that deal with them . Are there any uh, show. Its a strange feeling to think that they tracked all our movements. Obviously already been well enough for them to come to me to find out if that was the wagner position. Wed located whether this is one of our positions and thats partners, whether they can, but you can view for fun or the sets of trench, anything in advance. How are they able to locate you is so precisely and go to the doctor and they monitored us with small drones. The home number 5, the front of me identify some of the wagner menu were fighting. Would you like to know who they were . Their name is on the pictures on my smart home. Oh, so on the ticket. So yeah, this is one of the points saved on the tablet thats its named after one of the man thats 150. 00 is called metal or so its uh uh, that was our position investments cameron, who are his full name is said or, and a tell can i was born in 1984, which makes and on 37. 00 about that i think its set up as a sort of thats his picture. This is one of the guys who were fighting off in se hoodie, it feels weird. A lot of our studies much older than we send them before are these are believed in, in the amount of supposed to sure our guys are 21 years old. So thats a huge difference. That it can be a really miami effects of where the and boost it says that it means that they were fighting well trained russians all older than 30 and then and no can as close to the man. And i for one more moment, imagine what the battles would have been like if our people had been the same age and was it . How do you keep canyon . And i said, hey, cool, the discussion of go get with you, maam. You have to study. I served for a long time in the organizations in syria for dont you listen to these get them when you, when the Libya Campaign started envelope, i didnt want to take as far as you learn, you does a not in syria. So many people and definitely not in libby body of leading the least you know, just well i took part in the storming of palmera virginia and youve to meet the liberal ration of the oil fields. How many of them died look like . Im always glad. But if you asked me too many, we you know, put up the numbers. Ok. We know that one of their primary re minutes was to protect the pulmonary helped mirror area. That area is really the heart of oil and Gas Production in, in syria. We saw spreadsheets with, you know, millions and millions of roubles being transferred in exchange for providing infrastructure, security and perimeter, security and securing the oil and gas facilities. And the wagner groups would get a portion of the take from, from the production. Basically, the draft of the contract became public in early 2018. The 2 partners were allegedly, the Syrian Government and a Russian Company as real ponies. The Russian Company not only appeared to profit from the gas and oil production, but was also apparently connected to the wagner group and libya. Whats been at stake there are, you know, both oil um delivery from the ports as well as Gas Production facilities in that sort of been gauzy area. And then, you know, going, you know, south and east word warehouse are, is, is prevalent. The wagner mercenaries are sought to have taken up positions and key libyan oil fields. After the assault on tripoli, a contorted what it means is that 3 statues honor the wagner. You groups comfortably play music. One shows a soldier. Protecting a child is the, if the artist had been honest and the soldier would be protecting an oil platform for a while and youve to move with that, i mean, the sort of general hardware lets all of this guns. Most people say, well, many seriou

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