Are there living in very vulnerable conditions. Why do they like this . Why doesnt the worst entering also coming up being you as president binding on the picket line with all the workers in detroit as he and donald trump vine for support from blue color workers to our viewers watching on p b. As in the United States into all of you around the world, welcome. We begin today with thousands of Ethnic Armenians on the wrong and why that matters from russia to america, from turkey to ukraine. 2 years ago, armenia felt a war against either by john over the enclave of new gore, no cover or bar, which is home to a 120000 Ethnic Armenians. Armenia lost by the ethnic tensions between orthodox armenians and muslim azerbaijan, as it did not go away last week, either by johns military launched a whitening attack on newborn oak, auerbach triggering tens of thousands of people to fully most if not all our Ethnic Armenians of this conflict had its genesis and the 1980s. Soviet union, with the soviet union collapsed. New alliances formed armenia with russia, either by john with turkey, which is a native, remember. But recently armenian has accused russia neglecting its commitments and being preoccupied, distracted by its more in ukraine. The kremlin has tried to shame our media for quote, forwarding with the west. We have more now on the people caught in a region that is flirting. Once again with the crisis. They flee and cause buses and trucks. Vehicles choke the road leading out of know going a car back into. I mean, yeah. The people crowd inside have exhausting edge on their faces. Many spend the night on the roads. They fear they are leaving the ancestral lands. So good to make that happen. Oh no we astray, doctors will miss. That is, i will stay to let the world know that we have stray dogs, monday, many ethnic i medians. And i go on a car, but i feel they have no choice but to pack up their things and leave us by john, located them for 9 months before its mastery swooped in. Last week. Everything is lacking, including the fuel to leave this lead to disaster. When a gas talk exploded and a petrol station of people q, late on monday evening, over a 100 dead, and many more injured of the explosion, sending flames shooting into the night sky. Some of the plastic games with treat this kind of accurate is by rushing peacekeepers on tuesday. They have been stations, and not going to call her back since, as a by john rest as much of the enclave from him being in separate his forces in 2020 of the decades of into ethnic tensions means. Feet on safe with the other by john is now fully in charge. As the exodus continues, this fathers were united with his daughter on the armenians side of the border. A moment of relief at a time of desperation. Of a more no, im joined by lawrence brewers, hes an associate of zillow at chatham house. Hes also an expert on the congresss region, or just going to have you with this after the events of the past few days. And just considering the vast numbers of Ethnic Armenians who are leaving newborn of kyra, but would you say that this is the end of the armenian population in that region . A well, its definitely the end. I think of any aspirations to self rule to sovereignty or independence, which is of course what the car, but i mean the movement was the balance of the began in the late 19 eighties. Uh whether that will be a smaller population. The residual population that lives on in car boss is on the weve seen approximately 30000 car by millions of pouring of into our media. There are talks ongoing between car but how many representatives and theres advise you on the officials on the terms of integration and but i think there is a huge fear that car behind his po and they are the essentially moving birching with their feet and leaving us and we heard it today from the Foreign Policy adviser to the leader of iser by john following talks in brussels emergency talks that were held between our medias announcer by john. That are, as you, by john, has nothing to hide in. Youre going to have cover bought it yet. At the same time we heard that theres no reason for International Observers to be on the ground there. Uh how, how do you read that or well, i think thats a very ambiguous situation. We dont know what happened to the number of outlying areas during the mid mid it results that took place last week, that has been persistent calls for a humanitarian access and assistance to be offered. Both to those are medians. Best on now in our media, but to those that are still in as of by john. So, you know, i think theres an urgent need for that. We need i as and he is on the ground. Otherwise, its basically an information vacuum in a very potent rise and very co arm. And unfortunately we do, we know the armenia, is it able to cope with these huge numbers of people coming over the border, who are mostly Ethnic Armenians, with a Prime Minister bombing into compassion. Young has said that media is ready to host up to 40000. 00 families, which would certainly be enough to cover the whole of the population that might come from car. But i think theres a lot of doubts about how prepared media actually is. And i think theres going to be a need for a sustained humanitarian support a to on media as it we settled these people, what were hearing from carver. How mean instead of trusting every to i mean yet, is that they do not expect to go back. Now, so were looking at a long time Integration Program unfortunately. And what about geo politics and all of this . The European Union today hosted these talks between our media and iser by john and he does brussels . Does it have a role to play here . Or what i think in the way we see the failure of both euro atlantic, diplomacy and russian geo politics. Russia was historically the immediate to hear it imposed its vision of a ceasefire arrangement in 2020, at the end of the last 4. And it has now basically stood aside in the face of another by johnny operation. The European Union, i think has been left in this position where it has been advocating for a governance solution to the conflict human rights and so on. And it has just been left picking up the tab for a humanitarian catastrophe. Its pledged somewhere in the region to find leading euros for humanitarian. So i think its very important that talks to continue because there is a great stretch of further instability in the region. So we do need an Organization Agreement between ami here and as of right here. Do you agree with what were hearing from our media that the armenians feel that they have been neglected by russia because russia has been preoccupied with its more in ukraine. I think this distraction rushing destruction with the war and ukraine is positive id, but i think its also shifting value for russia of its respective relationships with on media and as a by john, as the by john and its ally, cherokee have become much more important to rush, it was the results of the ukraine war. Russia is looking at different ways to remain connected to having a connectivity that can work around sections and both turkey and as a bunch on play key roles in that. So i think were seeing a russia that is, is kind of steps down. Its been demoted from regional headphones to a pop in and as a, by john cherokee access to realign this of focuses. So, you know, as much as i think this has been a failure for russia as well as for the west. Yeah. If we, you see the west, im wondering what role the United States has to, to play here. Um, you know, our media does have a democratically elected leader, and that is the country that appears to be not getting the support that it is at expecting from russia. It should the us be coming in and supporting it the way it supporting ukraine as well. I think theres a, theres a huge difference uh with the ukraine complex, in the sense that, uh, russia invaded ukraine. And i think theres a place of geo political script, west and audiences understand who the bad guy is. I think that is more complicated in the mean, you know, so by johnny conflict each side has been on the receiving end of the terrible atrocities and, and suffering at different cycles. In the conflict and United States, i think very much wants the European Union to take the lead with offset. You know, i think the car behind meetings do feel very much abandoned by the international community, various assurances that that wouldnt be mine and some thats, you know, a campaign for rights and security would pay off, have been proven completely false. So there is a huge sense of disillusionment and disappointment and thats going to affect, i mean just politics in the long term, lawrence from us. We appreciate you taking the time to talk with us tonight. We appreciate your analysis as well. Thank you. Thank you very much. In the United States president by has visited striking all the workers in the midwest state of michigan in an unprecedented show of support. Now its the 1st time a sitting who was president is joined in striking workers on the picket line. The all the workers you get is demanding a 40 percent pay raise after years and concessions. Well, us car makers have re record profits, former president and republican candidate donald trump. Hes due to visit michigan, which is a key battleground state and next years election, whos due to visit mich, michigan . Tomorrow . The dw is abraham. She is in detroit covering the strikes and the president s whos on the picket line. Ive been here all morning speaking to striking workers and it really is a mixed bag. Some of them really appreciate the president s visit because they say this brings national and Even International attention to their cause and present bite. And today did say that with a, you know, record pay for ceos record profit, they should get their fair share as well. We should also note that president , former president donald trump, will be visiting detroit tomorrow. So some see the positive attention that this brings them. Others, however, are wary of how their clothes might be politicized. How it may be taken advantage of by politicians. And they tell me that this is really a fight between the union and the head of a the, the big 3 the, the auto makers. And that politician shouldnt be here trying to a riley votes on the back of their cause. That was dw is, are you bringing their reporting from detroit . I want to pull in now jeremy zurich. Hes a professor of Public Affairs in history at the university of texas in austin. Hes also author of the book, the possible presidency, the rise and fall of americas highest office. Jeremy, its good to have you on the program on. I assume you saw the president today. Why is president by the, the 1st us president to ally himself so clearly with striking workers . So throughout most of american history, brent american president s have actually sided with management versus workers. When president s have sided with workers, they have sought to appear to be non partisan, non partial, and theyve tried to play a role that is not directly engaged with this strikes. This is really unprecedented for a sitting president to go and so closely identify himself with a Union Strikers and to say as he did today, that he believes they need to be paid more. Thats not an impartial position. Hes taking, hes not my go managing the details, but he is very clearly siding with the interest of workers and with the claims theyre making to their strikes. But its also not an outrage is claimed to say i, i think, you know, hardworking people should be paid more, particularly in this error of inflation. Thats one thing. The other thing is he didnt talk very long. I mean, we were talking in the news room. I, i dont think he even spoke longer than a minute. So were you shocked by the fact that you know, he was bearing gone in the blink of an eye . No, i think he actually gave a lot of Photo Opportunities to the union workers. He spoke doable with an American Flag on it of course. And then he walked amidst the workers and shook hands. And i think he was trying to give the impression that he was one of them. He didnt look like any one from management. He was wearing a union sweatshirt union at i think thats significant in the United States. Again, remember, most of our history president s have either stood against unions and that was the case with wrong thing. And it was even the case. Give me partner or president s have tried not to take aside. This is quite a strong step in the direction of unions at a critical moment in our economy. As i was reading through your book, which is fast to date, by the way you say that the american presidency is broken, was what we saw today was kate, or can it be characterized as an attempt at repair . Yes, i think that is what biden is all about, whether he succeeding or not, as a matter of opinion and my opinion changes day to day. I have to say based on what i see. But what he is trying to do is re establish the presidency as an office that speaks to all americans across divisions. Its one of the challenges president space today, whether theyre democrats or republicans. And he is trying to show that the president can make progress on key issues that matter. For ordinary people, thats also become more difficult for president s. So hes trying, the question is whether he is succeeding and whether hes persuading people that what hes doing is worth doing. Okay, and so lets keep that in mind with, with what were going to see it tomorrow. Were going to have a former president. Donald trump is basically planning to do the same thing and put that into this picture of the, the, the health of the us presidency. And what diagnosis did you come out with as well . So what President Trump is doing tomorrow is actually quite normal for a candidate for president. The strange thing about it is that he is a former president himself and that hes also facing for criminal indictments, but it is quite common for challengers to president s, especially those who want to appeal to working class voters traditionally that would be candidates on the left. They have gone and stood among our workers. The most famous of these cases be eugene v. Debs who ran for president and 19 we received almost a 1000000 votes. He was directly advocating for workers. So this is not unusual. Someone running for office will always try to appeal to those who are angry or seem to be angry in the streets and say, i will do better for you. The question is whether trumps claim will be credible. Trump claims to speak for workers, but he is not pro huge. Its very hard to interpret anything hes done as in any way helping unions. And we know that part of the united automotive workers, right, is that this transition to electric vehicles is going to mean job cuts, add that in mind. What is biden doing that . And hes saying, im one of you. But im also in case you forgot, im, im the president who is pushing us into a what 0 emissions future. I mean, there, theres lots of contradictions here. The, do you think the, the voters are, are seeing these contradictions as well . I think thats the big question. What biden is trying to do is turn this contradiction to his advantage, as you say so well, brooks, hes pushing us the United States as the world is moving towards electric cars towards addressing climate change. And that gives him credibility with the leaders of industry because hes giving them support for that. Hes trying now to say to workers that i want to help you with this transition. Thats precisely what franklin roosevelt. And at the time when the American Economy was the only major transition, particularly from agriculture to industry, roosevelt put himself on the side of the transition, but also helping people make that transition. Thats what joe biden is calling by the nomics. The question is whether hes persuading people or not, but i think thats what he was trying to do. And thats why he believes he can appeal to the workers and to the Business Leaders at the same time. And if we pull this out and broader beyond the, the, all the industry you have written that americans have inherited a presidency built for another time and that it needs to be reformed. And you also say that president s are simply trying to do too much in too many places. Let me play devils advocate here. Is it really the, the demands that are too much or is it the fact that the president s look, just like members of congress are always in Campaign Boat . Isnt that what the real problem here is . They never actually get to do what theyre elected to do in the 1st place or except both of those things. So problems, yes. People are constantly campaigning and what are the points in making the book . Its not original to the book is that campaigning is different jobs and the skills of campaign they are different from government. So yes, thats a big problem. But i also think that fundamentally the executive office of any major country, whether its the United States or germany, is designed to address the bread and butter issues, ordinary americans, what our president s spend too much time on, or the cultural issues, issues such as a russian, what what is in schools, guns, those are not issues that precedents have the power to address. And those are not issues where theyve shown any way of making progress. But they can make progress on bread and butter Economic Issues because they have the power of the 1st and they have the power to actually effectuate how resources are used in our country. Yeah, youre making very good points towards washington was an election to be president at the time when the americans didnt want to have a king anymore. Maybe people forget that sometimes jeremy through the university of texas in austin. Its good talking with the jeremy. Come back and talk with this a guess. Thank you for having me. Of the now to ukraine and to that destruction of the nova cuff cove. Good them that happened this past summer and blowing up the damn cause devastating floods which ruined the crops in a region where people depend on forming it to feed their families and to make money. The reservoir its