intelligence creates things we've never seen or heard before. like gustav mahler, unfinished 10th symphony now completed in its entirety. i am the deep neural network news net has managed to complete with the composer, couldn't, ai is invading our lives and the arts. just how much is the subject of one's research, age rector of the max planck institute for human development in berlin. he talks with us about ai and how to deal with intelligent machines with your head of their research center, humans and machines. why do you think it's important to study the everything machines? because machines are in new act or in our world? you know, this is the 1st time that we've created a tool that can make decisions on it's own. it's going to be driving cars. it's going to be making decisions about who gets higher than 500 and it's going to help us create art and so on. so what would you say are the possible scenarios we're looking at in the near future? the problem with machine learning is that it might be learned harmful behaviors on its own. we need to understand that we're dealing with a new kind of entity that may be a little bit unpredictable. like in a space odyssey doors. oh, i'm sorry. i'm afraid i can't do that. computer. how is an intelligent beast, but with an emphasis on beast. think you know what the problem is just as well as right. this mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize our intractable house. doesn't think much of people, logically speaking, there's no reason to, since there's so liable to breaking down in alien the space ships computer mother acts in a similar way i am. it's a god. like turning the wrath of salt human, survive a cigar anyway, that is ripley in films intelligent machines usually run amok. though a few strive to be human, sometimes even more humane than never all models. say that the robot in steven spielberg's, ai even wants to build real relationships. but is david as harmless as he looks sort of official. of course it is in blade runner, replicants go broke, to escape their fights a slave laborers. so they ng to hide their true identities. it seems you feel i work is not a benefit to the public. the thing is going to murder me or my straight in one of the red comedies about ai, the robot may not look human, but real body can tell you ever had a dream. you know that you were so sure it was real in the matrix trilogy. i am, i control an entire parallel universe, one in which people are clearly not welcome. shouldn't be trying to serious this planet comes into that. the terminator is sent back from the future to correct the course of history. he's a killing machine, guided by a high. because humans could in danger, robots in the future, they're deemed expendable. but later it's machines against machines and everything ends in chaos. yet, in most cinematic confrontations with the humans who come out on top, that's probably because for now, people are still watching the scripts. trust me, ai causes a lot of anxiety and fear within society. how can we deal with this and do you think that these concerns are valid? i think people are afraid to weigh our today because we don't understand this thing . so if i is not as powerful as hollywood depicts, how powerful is it? you know, where is it being used? what kinds of mistakes does it make? is it affecting me, isn't affecting my family, or does it make us strictly better off or sometimes worse off? and i think, well, when you don't understand something that is gaining more and more power over you there, think it's your right to be concerned. what about the air i self? would you describe that more as a simple tool or could you see it also being a creative genius. we did a study on, on how people perceive they are and we found that also the way you speak about it. i can shape public perception. so for example, 1st i generated art in a high profile auction was sold for something, you know, just under half a $1000000.00. if you use the language of agency to describe the ai, the artist gets like tens of thousands of dollars less but in people's minds. but when you ask them how much money do you think the heart of st, the versus the programmer and so on. so that really translates to real money and the same thing goes for when something goes wrong. so we want to stimulate a discussion about language around ai, because this language has real consequences on blame and praise on benefits and on costs for real humans behind the old walls of this 16th century, man, i just outside london, their lives, a robot that draws this machine with a human face is named ada. she's a robot with the mannerisms of a real artist. was her career, to work like kurt loder for ages has been drawing and painting since 2019 last year. her work sold out at an exhibition at oxford university. and it's estimated that collectors have paid more than $1000000.00 pounds for where x. gallery owner agent miller came up with the idea to create a doubt it was usual every 2 or $3.00. oh, the hurt is pretty cold. together with a team of computer scientists, robotics experts and design as miller developed in his own words. the world's 1st robot artist programmed for creativity. aided draws with chalk and paints with acrylic, works make a fortune to the rich, uncanny, to look ahead, to have this interaction with the normal human in the way that we can. it's quite a of them fertilizing feeling. but she would be surprised how quickly you feel very relaxed with, with having a robot until he sees age as a call to explore the potential of artificial intelligence before it's too late. but is this real art, or is it just a grand technical achievement? a.j. raises the question whether human artists will be competing against robots in the future. we've heard from different artists thinking, oh my goodness, what does that mean for my own abilities? we very much believe the wiser. within the world is very much similar to the rise of the camera in the 18 fifty's and sixty's . people were very threatened by this camera painting. the idea that one day robots might replace humans is unthinkable for artist marcus to have pets. he's one of the most influential german contemporary painters. sees artist robots, like, ada is no more than an attempt to attack the divine spark of human genius. one of the lost mysteries of our in lightened and mechanized world. the machine in the robot is an abomination in the machine to machine. start to think. i'd say it's an outrage. they become the enemy. this enemy relies on human input data templates and information that robots like a program to process. and they continue to get better with this processing on a technical level. yet the machine understands neither. a painter's creative urges no an artist's obsession. that's why robots, that paint and draw always be condemned to merely imitate. the machine machines can only do what humans do when we don't need machines or machines would need to do something that humans can't perhaps true mechanical creativity is at its best when it supports human roles and algorithms can help or act as assistance. the british artist on a red led does to create a symbiotic, says of both worlds real life and the world of technology. in her art, she creates virtual flowers through machine learning. midler is only able to see the results of her work when the computer has finished processing. it's like when you catch a glimpse of yourself in america before you realize it's year and you kind of you kind of recognize yourself, but you also don't sense this weird, uncanny kind of kind of sensation in her video installation mistake virus. she lets the computer come up with an endless sequence of chewed it pitches. these 2 loops don't exist in this way. they're based on tens of thousands of images of real flowers that on a regular photographed categorized and then handed over to her ai helper. it's always surprising and it's always something that is, you know, it's like a wild or free a version of something that you might create, but you could never get there without this help every single shoot. it was a unique electronic specimen and attributes to the dutch masters and their 17th century. still life paintings. the technical possibilities, and now an a red letter paint such classic motifs in a completely new guys. not with a brush or on a canvas, but through artistic artificial intelligence. how original and over to our generated creations. i would say the majority of ai to their creations today are not as original as you might think. and the reason is they rely on machine learning. and machine learning is the me that for the most part, learns from examples. so it is as original as all of this combined art that it's all before. i think the part of machines creativity, that's more original, that's more risky. that's more exploratory where the machine is creating completely new imagination, which i think is much less developed today. but that's part could really change what it means to create art. music composed by river scape over to put it more precisely the rivers, many bends analyzed and transposed into notes. the rhythm is set by the forces of nature. 'd and use when the river has lots of bends, or has a more complex visual structure than the musical structure is also more complex. and when the course of the river changes, then you also hear that as acoustic feedback as a kind of live ranter potations, based on the data acquired by the ai. its algorithms are filled with countless examples, which teach the turn sounds into music. it can then suggest what theme the melody could embark on next. music made mathematically. is it creative? is it art? it's another approach. that's the way you need to imagine it, and i'm going to, i belong to a whole generation of new composers and also artists who have grown up with technology and with algorithmic methods. mission metod and what ai has now opened up for machine learning to put it more precisely as a kind of sparring partner, this bearings, a partner that helps in the composition process and reacts to suggestions for 9 years. musician ali nick ryan has been developing a program to write sophisticated compositions. was this written by a man or a machine? it's impossible to tell. big breakthrough came with the program which can compose pieces in the style of everything from mozart to show and streaming into a piece of music that is accomplished by an ai since it is able to examine responses . because the exactly not they, i suppose not understand. our emotions, classical pianist, glen gould's performances, were emotional and unconventional. though he died in 1982. his style is still alive and well. thanks to ai so what we're doing is we're analyzing, going towards audio recordings to see how he interprets a given piece of music and try to change to an ai system so that i could play an expressive style of bringing going go back to life. it's as if john gold's ghost is sitting at the piano. those who knew him a stunt christian knows it doesn't just want to imitate human creations. he wants to explore unknown to mention certain his arms. with the help from ai, he's collected some other will be signals or this one become totals very brief as we take this great unknown outer space. and we try to capture radio signals from space. and then we have our man made a scanner to look for patterns which we wouldn't be able to find on our own transcriptions from space interpreted by using familiar harmony. it's a bit dark, bizarre yet somehow sublime. yes, i am. and you kind of, you enter a question and get a reply, you never would have anticipated that can move things forward in the composition or creative work, which allows it to take a turn. you simply couldn't predict them dozens, that's quite exciting. the machines are becoming increasingly able to adapt, learn, and create original, unpredictable outputs. how would you say this, mpeg society today, ai looks like this magical black box that has new things that we've never seen before. and also maybe we, we ascribe too much power to these things that are influencing us as well. so now we just think of all these algorithms that are manipulating us in so many ways. and the truth is, we don't really know the extent to which this many palatial works. we don't have like a very solid scientific basis about how much really, how much power these things have over us. what do you think the top dangers are of enter creating ai into our lives? having a small group of people have more not political power over here on. so if you think of today, we have very few companies that have disproportionate power over our data. if this data is fed to ai's, that can then have a say or can make decisions that impact us and society as a whole, then we're in trouble because then we're in a tyrannical situation. and i think that's a problem that we don't have really transparency about which data can be owned by whom can be used by whom to what and, and this is not always part of a clear transparent discussion. what role do you think art can play in this debate? i think are going to be really powerful because it can help us imagine both the good and the bad. so artists can translate the technology and the unknown into something that our imagination can, can deal with. and that we can connect with on an emotional level and internet to all of its artists have i think a great role to play can our act as a mediator between the real world and digital reality. it's as if we're living in 2 worlds at the same time. in one that is visible in which we can take a train, go shopping, meet other people, and another in which we are monitored and algorithms make decisions for us. artificial intelligence systems collect data and arrange the world who profits who loses out. imagine you're walking down a street and if you're an older woman, you know, you only see certain stores and certain options businesses. but if you're a younger man, you see lots and you see a totally different street. and that's very much what i was, you know, having nightmares about, you know, that the street that i would walk down as a black woman in germany might be entirely different than the street that, you know, friends or family members are able to walk down. because they're male because why? because they're not what can our do to fight discrimination? what role kind of play was god? i think that art has a great strength. it can make things accessible. i think that it's extremely important because our society is so influenced by artificial intelligence. now people are being marginalized by these technologies and we have to speak about it. and believe dani and nicky must stufflebeam our are 2 researchers and artists based in berlin who are exploring the question of why the world remains. so one, just although there is so much artificial intelligence here there in berlin future in a space where the future of the planet and humanity is explored. this is a world increasingly dominated by machines and algorithms that are discriminatory. dani says that ai is intertwined with racism and sexism that after everything the data that the systems used from the past said they're actually quite conservative systems in a sense from under the top when they're used to predict, to recommend, to underscore what to expect in the future, it's very unrealistic to expect them to be more egalitarian or fair or anything different than the data that it's amusing as a basis. i have fashion her some time with no one in sight. joy, ball 19 is a gun in american computer, scientist and artist. she started fighting bias in algorithms after realizing that ai did not recognize her face unless she wore a white mask. the more she delved into the issue, the more she understood that it was a structural problem. ai systems do not work with black people, particularly black women so joy, gender shapes project is really how i started to understand that this is a whole body of research that's been done if you're not convinced that you have a representative data set of the various possibilities for diversity in the world, then you're probably not going to have a very fair or a very expansive assessment by an algorithm of who is legitimate person, who is a person at all who is considered an individual who has access to social participation. who has positions of power for ai systems fed with data from the past. the answer is often white men. some of them cannot even attribute the right sex to women. shallow bamma, i know bastard on a raid to wear her crown of history. her crown seems a mystery. the systems i'm sure of her hair away go far to behave. maybe not are, there are no words for our brains that are lots. there's a relaxed hair and so anything good? over on the 1st lady, you know her days well down some algorithms and weights and that's that strong women are men. i think that what artists an artistic creators can do is help us to see and feel what the experience of being marginalized looks like. and to help us understand before we get so far that we discover this is happy to us. what it is that we're doing by excluding certain people by creating artificial barriers that are not mediated by human contact. some video artists have started using ai and virtual reality themselves to offer a response. the neuroscientist ashley baucus clark has created an installation with hyphen labs, which puts users in the body of a black woman at a hair salon. and these are many of these projects are about taking back the power of intent protection, showing everything from our perspective. what do we really associate with ai? ashley and typhon labs is showing that vision of a future, a very community based future. a future without discrimination and stereotypes. can artificial intelligence help to make the world a better place? i don't think that we should be working to ai to make the world together, terry, and this is something for ai might be exacerbating some of the more undesirable aspects of society. but we humans can still change that ai opens up all kinds of new dimensions and the adventure has just begun. join us again next time on art's 21 meal worms have superpowers. because the intestines can digest plastic. the science community is all really in the only time to help the planet overrun by plastic just by you know, 30 minutes on d, w. passion, drama, competition, viable marketing numbers. here. by the time and technicians love, hate money, millionaire fans, crime, spite of spam and fun. because for me to go off on you to join us. how is your view of the world where i come from, that all of that criticism go. it just like with chinese food, doesn't matter where i am always reminds me of home. after decades of living in germany, china still is one of the things i miss the most. but that taking a step back, i see something. i need to differentiate knowledge. credit for it's a curse as american nations that exist to add up part of the war. haven't been experimenting in china. that's why you cannot cut chinese people wondering if they're going to take it. but if you have the right to learn, all that it is. this is their job just under the law, how i see it. and that's why i've been up my job because i tried to do it exactly, maybe an hour a day. my name of the uninsured. and i want you. this is coming to live from berlin. that's the price for armenian civilians prepare to leave this part of a cease fire agreement. the deal ended 6 weeks of fighting over the next corner car region. the resentment over the deadly conflict still simmers all those. so it's also coming up proves it is a country with the leader of the interim president steps to move only celebrations in the streets. deadly must protest in the.

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