hi everyone i'm falso pick on paris and i'm melinda crane in berlin a drastic rise in hunger over a 1000000000 informal workers facing unemployment and up to 100000000 people pushed into extreme poverty those are the latest grim projections of coronas worldwide impact we're told not a killer virus that spread across the globe in days livelihoods the world over that have been shot down but is there an opportunity here can those livelihoods be restored in a more equitable in a more sustainable manner just as an e.u. summit bargains over the recovery plan the united nations is staging a conference that's talking about building back better our title a green and better recovery for a hollow france 24 and d w t v join up for the debate welcome and it is a pleasure to introduce our. guests starting with the finance minister of ghana ken a for iata faso chemin is the lead all sir for the intergovernmental panel on climate change at the united nations lecture at the french political science institute spoke your books include the anthropocene and the global environmental crisis thanks for joining us and it's a pleasure to welcome sinitta not hind she is an environmental activist and director of the center for science and environment in delhi india before we take a closer look at the pandemics toll in the global south would like to ask the 3 of you to tell us and really in a one sentence if you would is green recover even still an option in the wake of corona sinitta if you would go 1st place. it's possible but it's a challenge that's recognized the general the chance the fact is there even well people have been affected desperate for a lot but there's also a possibility because we we can invest in this city and futures for the poor in the one that's the opportunity that should be exciting just that you have to build but the cleanup tina. and minister of for a better your answer still possible i think if we can. sort of plan ahead. and. economic thought mutuality and whether if your power and resources is not what drives. we have easily about a 100 trillion dollars of assets under management and the question is really annotation and redeployment as opposed to a lot of resources so it is possible if we are ready for it they're going to show. up and i felt architecture. thank you and for us wiser men you wrote not too long ago that in the long run the cove it crisis will be a disaster for the climate so do you think green recovery is even still an option and i think it is still possible but we need to admit that this is not the direction that we taking at the moment and i think this is an opportunity that we would be stupid answer each whizzed not the direction we're taking at the moment is. when you take a look at the developing world in particular countries like india where the pandemic is still raging where there was 1st that brutal lockdown that came all of a sudden and left millions of people are caught off guard now as the economy reopens you see that desperate rush to get things back to where they were before it's a report by france 24 correspondent jackie gallagher. every morning these men assemble on a street in new delhi looking for somebody to hire them for the deal to do jobs like painting repairing or copping cheat. the government or if they're lucky they could earn up to each city but lately hasn't been on the site. of. a government shutdown the government. shutdown coming beyond. the lockdown as he took the construction industry and its main like figure was swapping the price from it. like millions before him phil stewart is considering returning to his village where he can live off the land but the exodus of such might include the us has plunged india's industrial sectors into crisis like this garment manufacturing unit on the outskirts of town. at the peak of policies i'm used to have it on 550 people believe you're looking with 144 people altogether with manufacturers struggling to find workers many states have introduced noise but temporarily dissolved naval rights to ensure the industry still cannot stay as to what they did in it used to but $40.00 a share we have laws that make you have to look at least 10 obviously never but those who stay on office john survive not on the battle for labor rights. long before that although it will be a more government going to go. back home with no fixed income no savings and a disrupted marketplace india's millions of migrant and daily wage workers face an uncertain future as is the country's economy which in the absence of the migrant labor force is expected to grow at its slowest pace in 11 years in iran we see in the report how both the formal and the informal sector are being directly impacted again it comes back to melinda's initial question of. what kind of recovery when you see that report. so and so what's important for us to recognize is 2 things yeah. what 19 hit the poorest but was hit twice once because they almost fundable to the infection and 2 because of the loss of life. but there is such a something very interesting and important that is happening today not would the fact is still now we have had massive migration from of villages to cities because well it's because of activity and distress i am the growing list of parts of the planet change you have climbing people leaving their homes in desperation and that's why you have a massive exodus out to believe just the cities what what he has done for the 1st time is actually sent people that it's any of us might be i'm not seeing today are there for the possibility and this is where we are on straight saying there is a possibility 2 things at once if he invests in luly commies build the resilience of people invest in match of the source management and who are living as you can actually you need to condition so that people can leave. at home they can live in their villages but betty that's one issue the fact is still now we have had this atrocious globalization system in which the world has built in the grammy by discounting both the bar and the environment which is why you have these a labor conditions in our cities because everybody needs to compete with china everywhere else in the world where you want to keep the hospital today with the exodus a playbook for the 1st time in india there is a discussion about how gabler pipes need to be because industry needs that the. even have to give i read used to believe they even have to be promising to believe not that actually meaning please cost of production so is there an opportunity for the one talk about a given model to act moving that we have something some shanab will do it cheaper up salit could not do it well being let i don't know but this is the net the question is today and that's what in the seat being out in india at the height of lockdown back in april kenya for ya to you wrote a blog a diary if you will for the financial times which you describe driving through a day in your life driving through the city of across the road where the school children the women frying donuts the newspaper sellers the beggars where are you selling everything from dog chains to gum has gone up also experience this reverse migration that sumeet in iran was talking about. you know i think our president. sort of saw the situation very clearly and right from the beginning and you know he asked that the ministry to launch a $100000000000.00 preparedness program so it went to lock down a private how we were ready for that and working of the faith based organizations were able to then supply food able to give free electricity free water just to make sure that people's livelihoods were protected and also protection by the work at those i think we took that quite well and that therefore sort of money situation we didn't have that sort of huge reverse migration where there is at the track and we were able to keep body and soul together in a craft. store and then the issue of the testing and get into the environment to make sure the people felt safe and well it came with a stream cost by one for our you know we know we are competent to play in the economy back to life but we are not able to bring people back to life and so let's do all that we can so i think if you look at africa we have done the most test and the incidence rate reasonably low. but it's a stretch to treasury and therefore remark in and out to work of our find it sort of required for the world where i can stay. that truly we need to move the continent from the economics of our commodity resource into a certain kind of mutuality that's really only we have enough resources to go around and whether we can find the type of leadership at this time to do our image around the between whom the middle mutuality between currently those who have the resources for example that there is in the countries a been able to print money and spent on our 11 trillion dollars to be able to economic and that to get is not available to most people in africa. there's a $100.00 trillion dollars of assets under management reform in some levels what is the new tectonic shift that is required so this redistribution. in point of global prosperity will come to be and. for the future so those are the question is are we having a president who has written to a few of the leading presidents and i'm discussions with us on these issues. we want to come back in just a moment to those questions of mutuality and north-south cooperation but let me just drill a little bit deeper now on the migration issue that sinitta raised she sees a process of reverse migration going on and we're certainly seeing that in other places as well recent media reports in the u.s. show that workers from from latin america and from other countries are saying you know maybe it's time to go home we can't make a likelihood in the united states plus regimen you've done a lot of work on migration would you say in fact that that process is a process that in the medium and long term can lead to real changes in the conditions for workers or is it a temporary phenomenon i think it is a possibility of usually that's still too early to tan but what is for sure is that we've observed migration flows that were very different from what we used to have service in your town or a mansion there was a massive reverse migration from the cities to the countryside that was observed in india and in many developing countries but also in europe if i take it is our of paris for example more than 1000000000 people left the region of paris during the lot down because they wanted to go to the countryside so that we saw a kind of rural exist in. and that's interesting to see if that will if this is a trend that will continue in the longer and then i think it's important that many citizens from industrialized countries where also stuck at home and and so important restrictions to their mobility and in a way they failed to drift frictions that they had imposed to migrants from the ripping country for years and all of a sudden they were not on the west you know the countries including in the u.s. in the case of europe and then i think that is something that can also in the long run affect the relationship and the migration flows and then there is also the issue that my breasts were really on the frontline during this crisis that they were usually more exposed to the virus that typically the motility rate was much higher amongst migrant population compared to native populations and really was so unimportant array of inequalities in access to have access to health facilities that reaffirms that the migrants anytus is also likely that this might affect the migration flows in the migration policies in the future because we so important and always special the matter and locals with the economy final point and we have the figures at the end of this year the income available for many migrants was also significantly cut which means that the amount of remittances that would they will be able to send back home to their families or prevent their lot on 500000000000 dollars last year is likely to be reduced significantly this year which will affect the result is available to many families in the global south and we know that a lot of countries a lot of families depend on these remittances for their livelihood all of the circumstances that we are discussing discussing have many young people the world over are worried about their future let's hear now from a few of the youth delegates to the united nations high level political forum that is meeting. this week to talk about accelerating action on sustainable development in the context of recovering greener and better are the e.u. and germany assessing that because every measures through a climate justice lens and so what concrete actions will your government take to help those affected the most by the climate crisis. how can we ensure that at green recovery in the pushkov it 19 era addresses poverty alleviation and also offers an opportunity for employment for many and in play judy especially in the global south. as it affects young people with the rise in unemployment across the world war will be the rule of innovation what should be government's plan in ensuring that in the vision becomes the new key. to change demanded civil of how normal would be normal minister for you let me pick up on the last 3 questions that we heard there 1st of all what would you say to those young people who are worried about their generation's educational opportunities and employment prospects in light of the crisis. i think it's a great question and that's what really keeps all bother with knives because i mean in ghana i think. the your population. between 18 and. i represent 35 to 40 percent of our population and therefore all we do is how do you create an environment including the appropriate skills given and there will be social mobility that is key to any sustaining democracy. so we have since we came into government initiated a free education all the people in the high school and we just brought about 1200000. kids who otherwise would not a high school not going. and that therefore has widened sort of the skill set and therefore program in us or celebrated the celebration for the work of the covert issue. within together. 100000000000 india with the right quarter of our g.d.p. programs for stuff like this you know revitalization that we confront or even at the time whole issue of recovery in a much faster way and so we are quite optimistic that we are dressed in their issue head on and now leads to us with their ingenuity and innovation on our part to find the resources to do that but i think in the past 3 years later the groundwork educated work for which can then credibly you need to be an economy that is a tall order but i think that the reason for being in government and to give everybody a chance for their god given skills. minister just a really quick follow up if you would you recently presented the african development banks. economic outlook for west africa which has some pretty harsh numbers in terms of the contraction of the economy you said nonetheless you see this as an opportunity to how to harness africa's youth bulge as we call it the fact that they haven't africa has an enormous population of young people but the fact is up until now africa hasn't been very good at harnessing that you spotted at a high rate of unemployment in many countries for young people is that really going to change in the wake of the crisis. i'm doing. but it's an alley of the you know we. in which. i like my. inflation 15 percent and you know all the members with were in the wrong direction and we've been able to the weather. and still find education and health really good to have never been before and so for me the show is leadership and for african leadership to be strong i mean that's not us to the way in which we finance the world and that's what we need to really confront the issue of the international financial act because it's really not fit for you can't have under a trillion dollars. not a lot of stuff. and then have to find them that of about a $100000000000.00 a year for infrastructure for africa and then we say with money you know i think it will come back i see no is able to. race and ice now market at the polls when 75 percent and african countries raise money at 8 percent the question then is are do you create. a triple a wrapper around to ensure that we can or will the cut that market rate will we get it in the movie in the final or the world and so yes i think change i thing with leaders are beginning to realize that not most our of our youth or the future by 20 to 50 we're going to be a quarter of the world's population with most of the youth we need to address and this is not well you know enlightened self interest who went for that type of drug and so i'm optimistic that the new type of leadership you know on the continent we can understand a real. citizen i what's interesting listening to both of those young people and to a. minister for iata is this is a moment for people need more governments if that's the case where you are. are you asking me yes yes absolutely it's a paraphrase you need more government but it's not just about government to develop . a new compact the to be open in the week between the rich and the poor then i think the minister talked about that and that's really what i mean i can already see my own dogmatists big need to talk that and to big need to invest essentially what your thing today is that you have a massive you have a massive opportunity where you have very large numbers of young people who need employment back instead of looking only at i mean than that but it's for almost sector in the urban industrially if you think about employment to different regions of able to where people need to build in a sense the blue economic the dividend the end of the community because i mean we must always remember that what we've 19 is the price of that it's option b. of a thing to be but we have an equally big deception which is already knocking on our door which is climate change and we have seen the impact back on the line so far from a lot of the poor in our country so we have to remember and this is where at somewhere like india as you know the whole idea of a nationally well i mean that and everybody is getting. to employment and there has been days of employment for not just not that team has been on subsistence on the think they're going up a lot of poverty but that's being launched in the you want to ensure it means i'm you know many of us are advocating is that with the stocking about to where you would you want that approach to do you think we will be for creating employment. and we will create that environment for good not to be generally shipped a plan not to do so as these and of the economy which is the city and i think that's really where the need of the new business has to be the business unusual but it was well that what we hear not talk about this in the same language yet at a moment where everybody is turning to those governments again as we said at the outset there's that e.u. summit taking place this week conditionalities on how you disperse the giant aid package we're working on is one of the things that everybody's paying attention to and going green is in the mix now the question that marina strauss puts to the european union's environment commissioner virginia to give us use was does the global south factoring in is it part of that mix when you're going green we realize rick here that we should not be thinking of that and everything happens. around walk affects us and copulate is it with proof of that maybe to someone it's look like it's a some issue in china india and of the effect of. the same goes with the e.u. with other challenges we're facing climate change we can't ignore what's happening in the same period melting ice in antarctica or other regions and clearly that only by leading by example setting high standards here with india you and of course exporting those other standards to our partners we can all chief some tangible results and it is very important to support an inductance mission because as i said we can cope very well here over to issues domestically. but if we want help our person africa asia countries american interest all those problems will in the end of the day will come back to us so let's talk about what that means concretely what half a year the key priorities gnashers apel which acts to support and surely sustainable recovery in the asking economies and into delap in countries the 1st action which was of course this is what you can have. numerous declarations. and maybe even given plans but you do not fall with a sufficient budget it's quite hard to get them and i'm happy that the commission. proposal on the budget dramatically to dramatically increasing funding for our development projects specially in africa in asian countries and america as well basically we're trying not to leave them behind and b i'm vicious only on our own but truly to show that that agenda which we are playing giving to you can be even faster and easier to apply in those regions. because they can they can afford not to do mistakes we have made and not to use in china for iata when you listen to the european commissioner there how much are you tells the truth here how much you really help from brussels by the british and i have been blessed with what you need. that you see there even. sri was improved and where we. literally 7000000000 new rich. if illicit affair and i share flows of a commission transaction that was unsecured most of it fixed that another there in tripoli all these numbers from all the aid we. give to the we come back to our do we look at the global economic structure. that people get what they do you end up with no dick and the challenge is drowned in not what the a given you really mean whether. it's fair and that's the real fight we go that becomes and you're in the middle of a no go in that i'm sure and i agree economists coming and so i know that for the last 3 months we've been talking about whether there should be a debt freeze for africa or debt relief get relief something that you feel is owed to the continent the very interesting question you know when i when i look at the rate at which i or. i borrow at about maybe. i look at the rate at which africa have shorted financially it's almost there are however i have this africa risk premium that imposes almost $6700.00 basis points on what i can or not if i'm service in africa as there was and that's today of about $44000000000.00 a year. and you realize that if this was one or 2 percent we actually would have to be a number of 15000000000 so you ask yourself what is this 30000000000 risk premium for . you know and both we come to the point. that we need to plan let me ask. then whether you think that the e.u. is truly serious about that mutuality when it comes to the global south europe is having trouble working out mutuality even within europe amongst northern you member states and southern ones do you think they're really going to be equally ambitious about the global south and if so what carrots and sticks to they have available i think we need to recognise that so far the e.u. has often treated the governments of the globe ourselves as subcontractors rather than as general partners and i think that their prices possibly can lead european governments to the realisation that more cooperation will be needed i have to say that my key concern from this crisis before migration police you have a plan that police see is that international cooperation might end up in tatters we saw the products of the strangest is that it was a global crisis and yet it was met by very national responses wisconsin he's closing the borders to each other stealing stocks of masts on the you know ports and with interest not on any zation any situations radio lambasted for the way to handle the crisis and you know we can debate whether or not it is efficient to close the borders to stop the spread of the virus but it is geared to closing the borders will not stop the spread of climate change and of greenhouse gas emissions and therefore to tackle climate change but also to tackle the green recovery and also to tackle other crisis and other pandemics we will lead in the future more cooperation and less nationalism and i think that is an extremely important radiation that the e.u. need to come to terms right know in the way it deals with its african partners but also with these asian partners are leading american partners. one of the countries that is going to be steering that cooperation in coming months is germany because it is now has taken over head of the e.u.'s rotating presidency now chancellor angela merkel has said that the sustainable development goals will be serving as a compass i spoke to the parliamentary state secretaries heading germany's delegation to the united nations high level political forum and i asked them whether short term crisis management and climate protection can truly be easily combined and cut. because with one thing i mean we had our what would you do i shan't be tired of it and how much you want artists and shaft. to not distract you don't dance where titans who can stake had a dream indeed is doomed to climb on top of just like your name does hope to couldn't invest it or not want it missed its own intimidation or even sin then what is your pin greenview i need to who i am as is zogby. wouldn't count on my desk to keep him on wouldn't not hide because there is help for it by chance of the fight of my own and not hard to get also described as not shocking noise but i know the all about rooms in dice and i wanted to reach out in time and not feel the lend in glow balance suited can 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dino intended to gangs itis kite that's my can say in the internets announces i'm not bite form a survey i care kind of das my lad the family. so far up my business. woman i have to say and if it was laid off i'm stats this is just. b.s. who said the little in the mountains the internets 90 matches in it said if one for safety oh so of a few going to the would just it's needed if the other minds cool noise stops the chaff in ones and pot momentum deco ones if experts been set. it's been settled and the fun will come. or. stockton in the end but i can jobs and i'm comin in but i can and you can see here hide about oh indeed but i think that's really stout. the steam on my gun spits on dust indeed but i move your flu stator auntie off nominal and out when just it's fantastic on sci fi to. let me come to do something no ryan and i ask you now about global leadership as we deal with the pandemic and the twin crisis of the climate you have said that you severely criticized the post postponing of the cup $26.00 meeting the climate negotiations that were supposed to happen this year and have been put off to next are we lacking the kind of leadership that we need at international level. 3000000 though it's really. shouldn't it should by a i mean what you cannot seem to be multiple sides to see any crisis tells us that we cannot walk cannot walk alone i mean even in india dependent in just connected world at the schemes that we have never seen before i mean just think about it i mean get the food 19 and then to the i mean we had started to help and for that kind the world was not so interconnected not you get something happening and the months it brought the whole world to its knees i mean we need good leadership but this wind and what you are seeing today is we build the institutions and i would look down to rejoice when it sees the and the un unit but let's not stop that i mean the fact of india is losing one of the worst. because of a look at japan and that look at that academic building to plan to change because of the change and the invented situation of franklin's state but there's nothing in that can do about it on its own to the fact is a breeding ground for local both in the horn of africa and in the arabian peninsula which means that we need to work together as. a little girl to have plenty of change you have revolution to between the virus the blueprint how do you mission the one thing that we are told today is that we cannot walk alone we have to have leadership at the global level and look just look out but we i'm completely compromised the global leadership that it's time to launch your truth to power it is time that the blue leadership understood the crisis. that the young people in was talking about the crisis of climate change the why do you feel it and the euro to stop and to walk the talk on the. if you know it just in one sentence if you would say to what would you want to see from europe from germany as head of the u.s. rotating helpful presidency surely one germany in order to get its one. i mean what we have seen over the last some year as is the weakening of europe and the weak me off that's what the global compact and i think we need to use some of what he needs to let the cat i don't know who but somebody needs to start talking about the need for much more decisive action i mean if you look at these i mean i am not the end of undermining the fees i mean i've been in this but the loss of the give me but the top shop something you and helped as you talk about on action and to all you guys who are goblins but not months must know that they've used a leadership up there that they're all part of and they're there as a community of nations and not as efficient solution i mean you just target them miss perking so clearly about the prices of finance and direct and the possibility to look for answers in alan says that but they're tough ones so let's also understand the time for those gentiva top of nice little conference of all the cities in iran you talked about of course climate change being at the heart of it all and if you talk about climate change you talk about fossil fuels i know that at the outset of this crisis nigeria scrapped subsidies on fuel. ghana has only a decade ago started tapping into its own oil resources is the answered well kind of for iata to leave out of oil in the ground. that's a very difficult one. but you know we have been able to. sort of ring fence down our oil receipts so that we don't look to depend on it as much as other countries do because truly the issue of technology and kryptonite ship or people i think is my point what and that's where you get to appreciating that even some of these like oil and not give the type of job. for you until we are sure to now we have them dependent on that now the truth of the matter is i look at an economy like stand up and you say well wait a while it all the city of the human being and that it will have. you know train your people the mind that the city my resources or the entrepreneurialism that are dependent on these resources needed to our cause is what we want to build that nation on so yes we will err on the side of building up . for such a member final word to you by the way of course was i want to fill my my tank with gas the other day and i noticed the price of oil is starting to creep back up. well i think it's a good illustration of meaning initially in a crisis we might have thought that this would mean good news for climate change and good news for the environment but i think that we shouldn't be fooled by the sharp effects of the crisis and i'm concerned that yes in the long term this might end up a disaster for climate change and of costs the u.s. generation will be most affected and we need to have an eye that they've made a huge sacrifice during to cover a crisis we know that the u.s. we're less affected by disease where less infected by divine risk but we know that they will be more affected by the impacts of climate change so we need to be extra careful that they don't end up being punished by terrific and by climate change at the same time that would be very unfair for the young generation. a strong last message there from fossil chemin and much for thought from all of you many many thanks to our guests for being with us here hope to see you again soon good bye. it's no place for young women who want to break with tradition the pharaoh a white man a man and women are meant to behave accordingly. so much realities and lonely hearts slowly things are starting to change. in 30 minutes on t.w. . like. oh. my god says love was food for the russians so. steep the for. so many different walks of life. some are pumpin and oddly shrug but all of that comes straight from the heart of the former c.e.o. he put horns in the morning dealers in the marsh to ensure come. from the 1st glimpse of the logs to their final resting place the russians on t.w. documentary. the 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