hi everyone i'm falsify john paris and i'm melinda crane in berlin a drastic rise in hunger over a 1000000000 informal workers facing unemployment and up to 100000000 people pushed into extreme poverty those are the latest grim projections of coronas worldwide impact we're told not a killer virus that spread across the globe in days livelihoods the world over that have been shut down but is there an opportunity here can those livelihoods be restored in a more equitable in a more sustainable manner just as an e.u. summit bargain's over the recovery plan the united nations is staging a conference that's talking about building back better our title a green and better recovery for a hollow fos 24 and d w t v join up for the debate welcome and it is a pleasure to introduce our guests starting with the finance minister of ghana ken for a atta also shipmen is the lead author for the intergovernmental panel on climate change at the united nations lecture at the french political science is jude's you'll spoil your books include the anthropocene and the global environmental crisis thanks for joining us and it's a pleasure to welcome sinitta not hind she is an environmental activist and director of the center for science and environment in delhi india before we take a closer look at the pandemics total in the global south we'd like to ask the 3 of you to tell us and really in a one sentence if you would is green recover even still an option in the wake of corona sinitta if you would go 1st place. it's possible but it's a challenge that's recognized and the challenge the fact is there well people have been affected desperately looked but there's also a possibility because we we can invest in this city and future as well or the world in the one that's the opportunity that should excite just that shift and for the cleaner cleaner. and mr a for a better your answer still possible i think if we can. sort of plan ahead in theory and. economics of mutuality where if your power and resources is not what drives. we have easily about a 100 trillion dollars of assets under management and the question is really an occasion and replumb and i suppose a lot of. it is possible it we have already put their own ship in the rhubarb and i share architecture thank you and foss was a man you wrote not too long ago that in the long run the cove it crisis will be a disaster for the climate so do you think green recovery is even still an option as i think it is still possible but we need to admit that this is not the direction that we're taking at the moment i think this is an approaching 80 that we would be stupid answer each wist not the direction we're taking at the moment is. when you take a look at the developing world the particular countries like india where the pandemic is still raging where there was 1st that brutal lockdown that came all of a sudden and left millions of people are caught off guard now as the economy reopens you see that desperate rush to get things back to where they were before it's a report by france 24 correspondent jackie gallagher. every morning these men assemble on a street in new delhi looking for somebody to hire them for the day to do jobs like painting repairing or copying treat. it gotta make up for them if they're lucky they could earn up to each city but lately has been on the site. of. a government shutdown. but i'm coming back. to the lockdown as he to the construction industry and it's men like me who was swapping the price for it. like millions before him phil stewart is considering returning to his village where he can live off the land the big sodas of such might include this has plunged india's industrial sectors into crisis like this garment manufacturing unit on the outskirts of town. at the peak of policies i'm used to have it on 550 people believe you're lucky with 144 people altogether with manufacturers struggling to find workers many states have introduced noise but temporarily dissolved neighbor rights to ensure the industry still cannot. as the one that it is used to love $40.00 a share we have lost them a few they have to look at least 10 of us remember but those who stay on. not on the battle for labor rights. before that although it will be a more government can be very. difficult. with no fixed income no savings and a disrupted marketplace india's millions of migrant and daily wage workers face an uncertain future as is the country's economy which in the absence of the migrant labor force is expected to grow at its slowest pace in 11 years so this isn't a right we see in the report of how both the formal and the informal sector are being directly impacted again it comes back to melinda's initial question of. what kind of recovery when you see that report. see and so what's important for us to recognize is 2 things yeah. what 19 hit the poorest but was twice won because they almost fundable to be infection and doom because of the loss of life. but there is such a something very interesting and important that is happening today knock wood the fact is till now we have had massive migration from of villages into us cities because well it's because of activity and distress the growing list of the planet change you have climbing people leaving their homes in desperation and that's why you have a massive exodus out to believe just. what what he has done for the 1st time is actually sent people that it's an inverse migration i'm not seeing today therefore the possibility and this is where he kept saying there is a possibility 2 things at once if the invest in louis commies build the resilience of people invest in natural resource management and who are living areas you can actually use 2 conditions so that people can leave. at home they can live in their villages but betty that's one issue the fact is still now we have had this atrocious globalization system in which the world has built in the grammy by discounting both the bar and the environment which is why you have these are. conditions in other cities because everybody needs to compete with china everyone else in the world you want to keep the possibility today with the exodus of playbook for the 1st time in india there is a discussion about how gabler pipes need to be because industry needs that dave you have to give i believe just to the label they even have to give allison to believe now that we need a new lease for the production so is there an opportunity for the one talk about a different model to opt moving that we have something some should never brought sheep. absolutely hate not doing well being let i don't know but this is the net the question is what in the fleet being out in india at the height of lockdown back in april can afford out to you wrote a blog a diary if you will for the financial times which you describe driving through a day in your life driving through the city of across europe where the schoolchildren the women frying donuts the newspaper sellers the beggars where are you selling everything from dog chains to gum has gone up also experienced this reverse migration that soon need to neuron was talking about. you know i think our president. sort of saw the situation very clearly and right from the beginning and you know he asked that the ministry to launch a $100000000000.00 preparedness program so it went to lockdown. private we were ready for that and working of the faith based organizations were able to then supply food were able to give free electricity and free water just to make sure that people's livelihoods were protected and also protection for the work at those i think we took that quite well and that therefore sort of money situation we didn't have that sort of huge reverse migration there is at the track and we were able to keep body and soul together. so and then the issue of the testing and get into the environment to make sure the people felt safe and one of the time it came at a stream caused by that mantra was you know we know we are competent to plan the economy back to life but we are not able to bring people back to life and so let's do all that we can so i think if you look at africa we have done the most test and the incidence rate reasonably low. but it's a stretch to treasury and therefore remark in and out to work of our finances it's sort of required for the world where i can stay. that truly we need to move the continent from the economics of our commodity resource into a certain kind of mutuality that's really really we have enough resources to go around and whether we can find the type of leadership at the time to do our image around the between whom the middle mutuality between currently those who have the resource for example that there is in the countries i've been able to print money and spend our 11 trillion dollars to be able to economic and that to get is not available to most people in africa. there's a $100.00 trillion dollars of assets under management forming at some levels what is the new tectonic shift that is required so that the 3 distribution. in point global prosperity will come to be in and then. for the future so those are the questions now we have in our president who has written to a few of the leading presidents and i want to see us on these issues. that we want to come back in just a moment to those questions of mutuality and north-south cooperation but let me just drill a little bit deeper now on the migration issue that sinitta raised she sees a process of reverse migration going on and we're certainly seeing that in other places as well recent media reports in the u.s. show that workers. from latin america and from other countries are saying you know maybe it's time to go home we can't make a likelihood in the united states plus regimen you've done a lot of work on migration would you say in fact that that process is a process that in the medium and long term can lead to real changes in the conditions for workers or is it a temporary phenomenon i think it is a possibility of you sleep that's still too early to tan but what is for sure is that we've observed migration flows that were very different from what we used to have served as an intern or a mansion there was a massive reverse migration from the cities to the countryside that was observed in india and in many developing countries but also in europe if i take it is our of paris for example more than 1000000000 people left the region of paris during the lot down because they wanted to go to the countryside so that we saw a kind of rural exist in. and that's interesting to see if that will if this is a trend that will continue in the long run then i think it's important that many citizens from industry and i thought on trees where also stuck at home and and so important restrictions to their mobility and in a way they failed to drift frictions that they had imposed to migrants from developing countries for years and all of a sudden they were down on the west on other countries including in the us in the case of europeans and i think that is something that can also in the long run affect the relationship and the migration flows and then the results of that madras were really on the frontline during this crisis that they were usually more exposed to virus that typically the motility rate was much higher and most migrant population compared to native populations and really was so unimportant or a of inequalities in access to have. access to health facilities that's really at the migrants and indeed this is also likely that this might affect the migration flows in the migration policy even to future because we so over important and always special the matter and locals with the economy final point and we have the figures at the end of this year the income available for many migrants was also significantly cut which means that the amount of remittances that would they will be able to send back home to their families that prevent been more than 500000000000 dollars last year is likely to be reduced significantly this year which will affect the result is available to many families in the global south and we know that a lot of countries a lot of families depend on these remittances for their livelihood all of the circumstances that we are discussing discussing have many young people the world over are worried about their future let's hear now from a few of you stella gets to the united nations high level political forum that is needed. this week to talk about accelerating action on sustainable development in the context of recovering greener and better are the e.u. and germany assessing that because every measures through a climate justice lens and so what concrete actions will your government take to help those affected the most by the climate crisis. how can we ensure that and green recovery in the pushkar big 19 era addresses poverty alleviation and also offers an opportunity for employment for many unemployed youth especially in the global south. as it affects young people with the rise in unemployment across the world war will be the rule of innovation what should be government's plan in ensuring that in the vision becomes. to change demanded civil of how normal would be normal minister for you let me pick up on the last 3 questions that we heard there 1st of all what would you say to those young people who are worried about their generation's educational opportunities and employment prospects in light of the crisis. i think the great question and that's what really keeps all bother with knives because i'm in ghana i think. the your population. will turn 18 and that. i represent 35 to 40 percent of our population and therefore all we do is how do you create an environment including the appropriate skills given and there will be social mobility that is key to any sustaining democracy. so we have since we came into government initiated a free education policy for the high school and we did put about 1200000. kids who otherwise would not have a high school. and that therefore widened sort of the skill set and therefore program in our or selected solicitation for the little covert issue movie i just put in together 100000000000 cd with a web quarter g.d.p. and programming for stuff like this in a revitalization so that we can conquer even added time whole issue of recovery in a much faster way and so we are quite optimistic that we are addressing the issue head on and now these 2 had their ingenuity and innovation on our part to find the resources to do that but i think in the past 3 years later the groundwork educated what for which you can't and politically you need to be an economy that is a small order i think that's the reason for being in government and secure but a chance for their god given skills. minister just a really quick follow up if you would you recently presented the african development bank. economic outlook for west africa which has some pretty harsh numbers in terms of the contraction of the economy you said nonetheless you see this as an opportunity to how to harness africa's youth bulge as we call it the fact that they haven't africa has an enormous population of young people but the fact is up until now africa hasn't been very good at harnessing that you spoke at a high rate of unemployment in many countries for young people is that really going to change in the wake of the crisis. i'm doing you know but it's an alley of the you know we heard. in which. like knife and. inflation 15 and you know all the members with were in the wrong direction 'd and we've been able to they will i'd rather be and still find. the good i have never been before and so for me that will show its leadership and for african leadership to be strong and that's not the us to the way in which we finance the world and that's why i keep saying we need to really confront the issue of the international financial act because it's really not fit what you can have under a trillion dollars. not a lot of stuff. and then have to find them got of about a $100000000000.00 a year for infrastructure for africa and then when they wouldn't you know i think it will come back i see no able to. raised national market at a pub when 75 percent and african countries raise money the question then is how do you create. a triple a wrapper around to ensure that we can or will the cup that market rate the we get in the movie in the final for the world and so yes i think we're going to change i think mostly the beginning to realize the numbers our of our youth what the future by 20 and 50 we're going to be a quarter of the world's population with most of the youth we need to address and this is no well you know enlightened self interest who went over for that type of job and so i'm optimistic that the new type of leadership you know on the continent we can just real. citizen i what's interesting listening to both of those young people into a. minister for iata is this is a moment for people need more governments if that's the case where you are. are you asking me yes yes absolutely it's a carrot when you need more government but it's not just about government to develop. a new compact big to be the urban in the week between the rich and the poor then i think the minister talked about that and that's really what i mean i can already see my own government just big need to talk the language big need to invest essentially what you're thinking to day is that you have a massive you have a massive opportunity where you have very large numbers of young people who need employment back instead of looking only at noon i mean than that but it's almost stepped up in the urban industrially if you think about employment to different regions of able to where people need to build in a sense of who the economic the the libyan of the community because these i mean we must always remember that what we've 19 is the crisis of the disruption be facing today but we have an equally leap deception which is already knocking on our door which is climate change and we have seen the impact back on the line so far from a lot of the poor in our country so we have to remember and this is why at somewhere like india as you know of this one idea of a national employment data and everybody is getting. to employment and there have been days of employment that we will not just not that he meant being on subsistence basis on that we have 2 percent we bring up a lot of poverty but that's still not your chimney you want to ensure the you didn't you know many of us that i thought getting it done with the stalking about it where you would you want that approach to really state we will see for creating employment. and we will create that environment for that to be generally shipped up and natural to some of these and of the economy which is the city and i think that's really where the need of the new business has to be the business unusual for that was what it was here not talk about this in the same language yet at a moment where everybody is turning to those governments again as we said at the outset there's that e.u. summit taking place this week conditionalities on how you disperse the giant aid package we're working on is one of the things that everybody's paying attention to and going green is in the mix now the question that marina strauss put to the european union's environment commissioner virginia to give us use was does the global south factoring in is it part of that mix when you're going green we realize very clear that we should not be bigger than that and everything what happens. are all walk affects us and covered like it is with proof of that maybe to someone it's looks like it's a some issue in china and india and that if affected. the whole the same goes with the e.u. with other challenges we're facing climate change we can't ignore what's happening in security or melting ice and 30 or other regions and clearly that only by leading by example setting high standards here within the e.u. and then of course exporting those other standards to our partners we can all achieve some tangible results and it is very important to support them induction addition because as i said we can't call their world here over to issues domestically. but if we want help our person africa asia countries there are going to freeze all those problems will in the end of the day will come back to us so let's talk about what that means concretely what happened here the key priorities gnashers apel checks to support it surely is a stand of what we can bring in emerging economies and into the elephant countries the 1st action which was important this is what you can have. numerous declarations. and maybe you can even plants but you do it all full with a sufficient budget it's quite hard to implement and i'm happy that the commission in its proposal on the budget dramatically dramatically increasing funding for our development projects specially in africa in asian countries and america as well recently we're trying not to leave them behind and be a mischa's only on our own but truly to show that the general which we are playing here can do you can be even faster and easier up like in those regions. because they can they can afford not to do mistakes we have made and not to use in china for iata when you listen to the european commissioner there how much do you tell us the truth here how much you really help from brussels my ether fresh and i have been blessed with what you need. that you see there even. sri was improved in a fair way by when it's. literally 7000000000 new revenue. if elizabeth and i share flows of which commission transaction what constitutes most of it it's fixed that another there in tripoli all these numbers from all the aid in your we. get so the we come back to our do we look at the global economic structure. that people get what they do you end up with murder and the challenge is drowned in not what the i've given you really mean whether. it's fair and that's the real fight with the big count and you're in the middle of a novel in that i'm sure and i agree economists come in and so i know that for the last 3 months we've been talking about whether there should be a debt free for africa or debt relief get relief something that you feel is owed to the continent very interesting question you know when i when i look at the rate at which i bore. i borrow at about maybe if. i look at the rate at which africa have both financially it's almost 0 however i have this africa risk premium that imposes almost $6700.00 basis points on what i can or not if i'm service in africa as there was and that's today of about $44000000000.00 here. and you realize that if this was one or 2 percent we actually would have to be a number of 15000000000 so you ask yourself what is this 30000000000 risk premium for . you know and both we come to the point. that we need to plan let me ask. then whether you think that the e.u. is truly serious about that mutuality when it comes to the global south europe's having trouble working out mutuality even within europe amongst northern you member states and southern ones do you think they're really going to be equally ambitious about the global south and if so what carrots and sticks to they have available i think we need to recognise that so far the e.u. as of untreated the governments of the globe ourselves are sometimes right those rather than as jane and bob knows and i think that the crisis possibly can lead europe and governors to the realisation that more cooperation will be needed i have to say that my key concern from this crisis before migration police you have a climate police see is that international cooperation might end up in tatters we saw the predators of the strangest is that it was a global crisis and yet it was met by every national response as wisconsin east closing the borders to each other stealing stocks of masts on the you know ports and international organizations and institutions really lambasted for the way they handled the crisis and you know we can debate whether or not it is efficient to close the borders to stop the spread of the virus but is create a closing the borders will not stop the spread of climate change and of greenhouse gas emissions and therefore to tackle climate change but also to tackle the green recovery and also to tackle other crises and other pandemics we will lead to future more cooperation and less nationalism and i think that is an extremely important radiation that the e.u. need to come to terms right know in the way it deals with its african partners but also with these asian partners are leading american partners. one of the countries that is going to be steering that cooperation in coming months is germany because it is now has taken over head of the e.u.'s rotating presidency now chancellor angela merkel has said that the sustainable development goals will be serving as a compass i spoke to the parliamentary state secretary is heading germany's delegation to the united nations high level political forum and i asked them whether short term crisis management and climate protection can truly be easily combined in practice and become with one theme i mean we had our what would you do i shan't be tired of it and how much you want artists and shaft. to not distract you don't transfer titans who can stake had a dream indeed is doomed to climb on top of just like your name does hope to couldn't invest its all in the one you missed its on an indian multinational even seen a lot as european green deal i don't entirely own i am as is zogby. wouldn't count on one of us to keep him on wouldn't not hide because there is help for it by example of the fight of my own and not hard to get also described as not shocking knowledge but i know. all about rooms in dos and i wanted to see how in time at night feel the land in glow balance suited can film it in their traffic 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dino dentist. kite that's my concern in the internet's announces i'm not by to form a survey i can kind of. a family. so far up my business or the i was just going to have to strain and if it was let off i'm stats this industry only have to set a little in compensation and it's 90 matches in it's a. safety oh so if a few going to the one just it's needed if the other mines noise stops the chaff in ones and pop momentum deco and see if an expert than sex. it's been settled and the front. or. stockton in then but i can jobs and i'm coming in but i can and you can say hi it's about open ended but i cannot truly stock. the steam on my guns because on does india but i moved. to auntie of nominal and no interest it's been fantastic i can see if i do. not. let me come to you since narayan and i ask you now about global leadership as we deal with the pandemic and the twin crisis of the climate you have said that you severely criticize the cost postponing of the cup $26.00 meeting the climate negotiations that were supposed to happen this year and have been put off to next are we lacking the kind of leadership that we need at international level. 2000000 there it's really. it shouldn't it should what i mean what does not seem to be multiple tries to see any crisis cell service that we cannot walk alone cannot workable i mean we live in an instant dependent instep connected world after schemes that we have never seen before i mean just think about it i mean the food 19 and then to the i mean we had started to tell that and for that kind the world is not so interconnected not you get something happening and the month it's got the whole world to its knees i mean we need good leadership but this wind and what's more appealing to the. global institutions than i would what does a little richer for us to see and the u.n. unit but let's not stop that i mean the fact of the india is that you see one of the most. difficult to look at japan and that look at that that is directly linked to planet change because of the changes and the invented situation of franklin's state but there is nothing in that can do about it on just go to the fact of the breeding grounds for both in the horn of africa and in the arabian peninsula which means that we need to work together as countries and then of course you have plenty of change you have revolutions between the i.m.f. but when you do and how do you mission the one thing that we are told today is that we cannot walk alone we have to have leadership at the global level and not just look out but we i'm completely compromised the global leadership says it's time to launch your truth to power it is time that the blue leadership understood the crisis. that the young people while i'm talking about the crisis of climate change they're worried the few your family learned to drop and don't want to talk on the you know in the sense that if you it just in one sentence if you were to meet a what would you want to see from europe from germany as head of the u.s. rotating council president say it's really one germany in europe to get its why's that. i mean what we have seen in the last some years is the weakening of europe and the weak me off that's what the global compact and i think we need to use some of the needs to the cat i don't know who but somebody needs to start talking about the need for much more decisive action i mean if you look at these i mean i am not band of undermining that but these i mean i've been in the spittal loss of the give me but the top shop something you and helped us up you talked about on action and after all you guys were governments but not once must know that the leader is a leadership up there that they're all and they're there as a community of nations and not as asians in the room i mean you just heard the miss king so purely about the prices of finance and direct and that was the ability to look for answers in alan says that but they're tough ones so let's also time to spend the time for those genteel top of nice little conferences all. sitting around you talked about of course climate change being at the heart of it all and if you talk about climate change you talk about fossil fuels i know that at the outset of this crisis nigeria scrapped subsidies on fuel. ghana has only a decade ago started tapping into its own oil resources is the answer while kenya for iata to leave out of oil in the ground. that's a very difficult one. but you know we have been able to. sort of rain down or will recede so that we don't look to depend on it as much as other countries do because truly the issue of technology and trip to ny ship or people i think is much more important and that's where you get to appreciate in that even some of these like oil and not give the type of job. you absolutely ashurst and i would have them dependent on that now the truth of the matter is i look at an economy. expendable and you say well wait a while it all the city of the human being and that it would have had. you know train your people the mind that the city my resources or the the entrepreneurialism that it dependent on this resource of. ours is what we want to build that nation on so yes we will err on the side of building up. for such a member final word to you by the way house was i went to fill my my tank with gas the other day and i noticed the price of oil is starting to creep back up. well i think it's a good illustration a mini initially rises we might have thought that this would mean good news for climate change and good news for the environment but i think that we shouldn't be fooled by the shock effects of the crisis and i'm concerned that if in the long term this might end up a disaster for climate change and of course the us generation will be most affected and we need to have an eye that they've made a huge sacrifice during discovery crisis we know that the u.s. we're less affected by disease were less infected by divine risk but we know that they will be more affected by the impacts of climate change so we need to be extra careful that they don't end up being punished by the recession and by climate change at the same time that would be very unfair for the young generation. a strong last message to bear from fossil chemin and much for thought from all of you many many thanks to our guests for being with us here hope to see you again soon good bye. behind the facades emptiness of guns sleep quiet. the global obscene is being devastated by the pandemic and little sign of any revival in. our audiences the country with the crisis. going to free cities all around the world to find out. the marks 20. and 30 minutes on d w. happiness fears for everyone schumann penises are very different from primates you know we have a totally ridiculous amanda sided view of nature and they're very good at this is climate change regular sex how freeness increase books you get smarter for free you know but you books are neutral. beethoven is for me. it's for. 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