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Transcripts For DW Close Up 20240712

Feel we have to look at the sum total of all of the individual cases is there an actual net was youve just done its work or ammunition from special police units has ended up with the right wing extremists but official investigations of the situation have stalled. Thus taught us that tolerance i believe the public now trust the police less than it used to mine as. Reports indicate that plans for a coup attempt against the German Government have already been drafted. In these documents the start date is called day x. And the secure seal florentines have to take this seriously to maintain the Publics Trust in our constitutional state engine. But are they doing enough to crack down on right wing extremists among soldiers and police and their plans to disrupt the government. This is the village of bonds co in the eastern state of mecklenburg for palma in the summer of 2017 special federal police unit searched a number of homes here. And one house officers found more than 50000. 00 rounds of ammunition and several weapons. The home belonged to marco jean a former member of an elite state police unit. He was charged with a number of weapons violations and went on trial in late 2019. Marco g. Told the court that he was simply preparing for a possible catastrophe. And several associates had formed a group called North Koreans. At levy investigation showed that the group had also stocked up on supplies of quicklime and body bags that and saw it in. A state Police Report concluded that marco g. A represented a potential threat to the state. Thats it for cavendish to undo it every review of his chant traffic clearly reveals his right wing extremist and xenophobia views and the court determined that he had rejected the constitutional principles of the german state eek taht marco g. Was convicted and sentenced to 21 months probation. And several of his friends were in court to hear the decision. Among them was juergen s who had received an important email from him and 2016. And hes an athlete stunned the message said that over the last 16 months a network of right wingers had been established across europe and that nearly 2000 potential members had been contacted or will pot im guilty tut. But does this network actually exist can the german people still trust the police and the military the boy in despair. Isnt tough times its a house of. Cards. Weve come to southern germany to follow up on a lead theyre supposed to be an extremist right wing group here that allegedly has ties to the elite the boom is fair unit the car as car. Were looking for a member of that group a weapons dealer called el when we find him he agrees to an interview provided we dont show his face. As a former soldier he says he 1st met the conspirators in 2015 when a member of the car as car invited him to a meeting of like minded individuals the group is said to have included soldiers and Police Officers hes working for that was not the meeting in a stunt then where im not going to say hes at the barracks incog youve got good sources the cause Cobb Erickson call of his a high security area. And a fire the man who invited him to the meeting as andre s. Also known to some Group Members as. That you did your stroke if we were impressed that he could organize a meeting there of the 54 im sure the. Claims that another meeting someone suggested that on day x. The coup participants should take over the college barracks and seize the weapons stored there. After our meeting with bowker al someone else associated with the group gives us a hard drive filled with alarming photographs and plans. The data indicates that folk or al had been organizing training exercises since 2014. This activity included preparations for sabotaging bridges. We also find an email from andre asked a poker l. Asking him to design an identification badges for a Certain Group leaders. The badges featured a skull and crossbones and a logo that stood for day x. The groups organizational efforts were clearly well advanced. By 2015 entre as another cause come embers had set up a north korea chat group assigning various tasks to individual members and recruiting new supporters the network spread across germany. Members of the elite Commando Force appeared to have been actively preparing for the day x. Operation. Are these isolated cases. Some say that the cause com military units have a fundamental problem with right wing activity and that this dates back to the founding of the organization and 1996 and one of its 1st commanders ira lets mass murders as we started. King into that situation after general bryan hunt consul was appointed as commander in 2000 and later he was accused of making inappropriate public remarks and was removed from his post in that last night. But critics claim that these problems have persisted and the government has failed to address them. To fall when im. Off we need to take a long hard look at the role of the. Office its simply not acceptable for them to claim that they cant be investigated because theyre engaged in classified operations biskit mission. Allowing extremism to flourish. Overseas again i go home to scream or i sometimes you can have too much secrecy and that can cause problems all shot at. Our Research Indicates that andre ass and marco g. Were actively planning a coup attempt. And. We tracked down a day x. Mobilization plan allegedly drafted in 2016 that includes maps showing where the conspirators were to gather when they got the go ahead from their commanders. Here at a military Training Ground in the state of boston for it to back. The cause cause has carried out legitimate exercises here. The day x. Headquarters was said to be located in a small building like this one. The plan included code words and radio frequencies Group Members were to identify themselves by rolling up their left shirtsleeve. Personnel will assemble at south alpha gray. This area will serve as a transfer point for the secret Operations Center these instructions must be carried out to the letter. This site is believed to have been chosen by folks. Some of the buildings here are used as artillery practice targets. The operation also called for taking over a vehicle storage site and. We couldnt find anything about that in our copy of the plan but one expert speculates on what the conspirators might have had in mind. Here spirit cuts partnership because of all the transportation would play a big role in these sorts of situations especially in a north kreutzer operation. They would have to move their own troops around and they may also have a plan to arrest potential opponents and to do that you need vehicles including trucks as part of his cock Number Systems of the air countries. One group member proposed that such enemies be rounded up on day x. And transported and military trucks past any police roadblocks. The presenters said to include leftists f. T. P. Politicians and refugee aid workers were then to be executed. Marco g. Recruited that group member himself. This is fair game capital of the state of mecklenburg for fallout. Preparations for a military parade are underway. Were going to meet derek friedrich a buddhist fair veteran and social democrat member of the state parliament. Hes been warning for years that north croyde 60 mists have infiltrated local Military Reserve units to ship the country in the civil muscle on little i cant understand why the investigation is taking so loans usually because its been dragging on and on. And if you take a look at recent events youll realize that we have to get to the bottom of this right away. We need to clean house would like to fish when one of marco g. s close contacts a former east german soldier named your gas is not facing charges at this time. In 2016 the 2 exchanged a series of emails that indicates that it was your guess who set up the Meeting Point in bad name located near a military training area. In fact our research has allowed us to establish the outline of an entire network of such points. Your gas is also a sergeant in the bone despair reserve. Many of the other conspirators are also alleged to be reservists york served for some time at the air force base at all stock. A euro Fighter Squadron is stationed there. When the Squadron Commander left his job and 2019 invited your guests to his official farewell celebration despite the fact that he was already known to federal authorities as a suspected right wing extremist. We wanted to discuss this with the new Squadron Commander but base of facials referred us to the Defense Ministry no one there would talk to us about the case. We also contacted the military Counterintelligence Service and they wouldnt talk to us either. Which has been sort of uranium and this is a high Security Military base and home to some of the buddhas vans most sophisticated weapon systems its in this situation has to be thorough investigated sls etc we identified a further associate of marco g. And the court amin p. 2 trains 0 Fighter Pilots at the rostock air base. How have those suspected of supporting a right wing Antigovernment Movement managed to gain access to high Security Military sites. Constantine found notes is a member of the bonus talk Oversight Panel thats responsible for germanys intelligence agencies. And that truly shot. The possibility of a coup attempt even during the pandemic may seem unlikely but we still have to take it seriously and react accordingly and specially. Our Research Indicates that many of the alleged isolated cases in the police and the military are connected. For example fall to al the weapons dealer confirmed that the group led by andre ass had contact with a bone despair officer called bronco a. And so he was at the safe house he was there yes. He had his phone to a phone one occasion he took me aside. Before and asked how he could get his hands on a weapon in germany though it sounds as though the victims often visits. The men at the say palace was sprung a coup in 2017 1st drew attention to right wing extremism in the german military. We did it. For over a year he posed as a syrian refugee. In its decision on his case the German Supreme Court cited a number of extremists statements that hed made. People do not accept the greatest truth if it is not connected with a triggering event. You should destroy the entire system. Of style before i knew a fun fact i believe that from the very beginning these people believed at least to a certain extent that day x. Could actually take place and they trying to find ways to make it happen. In early 2017 bronco a was in vienna. At the airport he had a weapon in a Public Toilet and then posted the location to his whatsapp group. The group also included other soldiers. He was arrested when he tried to retrieve the gun. That evening an annual ball sponsored by austrias right wing Freedom Party was to be held. The event often draws lots of demonstrators. Investigators believe that franco intended to carry out an attack there he believed that since he was registered as a refugee many would blame the crime on the immigrant community. Thats not fun call out plan franco and he was believed to have been preparing an attack that would then be attributed to islamists or leftists or whomever system would ali and the north crites group was considering similar measures they figured that a provocation might be the best way to get things moving then as least 1000 posse at zogby had a few. Cases like this have prompted speculation about what marco g. Actually intended to do with the stockpile of weapons and ammunition that he kept at his house and where he got all that ammo. Marco didnt respond to our request. For an interview so we go to visit him and dansko a woman who answers the door refuses to talk to us. Despairing Prosecutors Office has determined that much of the ammunition came from bone despair and police warehouses. Its actually quite easy to determine the origins of this kind of ammo if you know what to look for. We talked to someone who does. This for to go from 0 to just a fancy foods and these were military grade rounds of principia they have a very high penetration capability to shabda quite effective against a wide variety of targets hes as this has nothing to do with self defense which it does offensive does it in his wonderful mosque in his moods these rounds can penetrate body armor so we can assume that they might be used against Police Offices and Security Forces insertions him out im getting pretty tired bound to photo being. To find out where the ammunition came from you have to look for the specific lot number on the package. As often limits on trudge on from even with containers of 500. 00 or 1000 rounds and youll find individual packages like the canadian part and the lot number is always stand on the bottom of each round theres a. Zone at all. These contractors a shift to the appropriate department which then hands the mail to individual offices would be unfair to me and the departments keep a record so you can quickly determine when the ammunition came in and when it went down to snow of conifer undersupply target prosecutors are still trying to figure out how the police could lose track of so much ammo. Article of course we contacted the relevant authorities and asked. For specific information the investigation is still underway and the fuel of all. We try to figure out for ourselves where the ammunition came from the results are startling. The rounds had originally been supplied to bone despair and elite police units all over germany for example 1200 cartridges were traced back to the state of north rhinewestphalia. We find out that special police units from dusseldorf cologne in dortmund often trained in the wide open spaces of mechlin ball for bomb and. Did any of the officers have contact with markos group. We want to talk to the authorities and do spork who distribute ammunition to individual departments. They declined to be interviewed but later admitted in an email that the rounds had indeed come from the state police stockpiles. North rhinewestphalia has now revised its ammunition Distribution System but its still not clear who was actually responsible for handing over the rounds to an authorized individuals. The Officials Say they cant comment on an ongoing criminal investigation. 100 other cartridges that later turned up in marcos stockpile were determined to have come from an elite police unit and bavaria those who ask up. We go to munich to meet the varian Parliament Member florian ritter. We wanted to find out whether he was aware of any contacts between the u. S. Car and the right wingers. The home of the shiva farm several members were recently investigated for allegedly sharing objectionable content on chat apps Union Officials determined that some of that content might have been anti semitic. And. After learning that ammunition from various had been submitted as evidence in a criminal trial and sherene. Filed a written request demanding that the authorities explain the situation. For them to show the answer that i got from the interior ministry was astonishing they said that no ammunition had gone missing. But prosecutors and bean have been able to prove just the opposite. The various state premier marcus sudha apparently has little interest in pursuing this potentially explosive matter. There are connections between the North Koreans group and bavaria and thats a problem as for those. We dealing with a terrorist network here if weapons or ammunition from federal varian sources are ending network then we have to find out how thats happening. Interview should. The German Government has to protect itself against such threats. You cant just close your eyes and has the problem will go away. That would be extremely dangerous again. Means most. Finally managed to get the various state criminal Police Office to admit that prosecutors are investigating the situation. But they declined to comment further and they certainly didnt want to talk on camera citing the ongoing criminal investigation. Into. Its we also have to protect the officials who were sworn to uphold the german constitution and to protect democratic way of life. To commence its view of this if we dont do that we will expose those officials to a public debate that they really dont deserve to be part of the swift. The discovery of the ammunition that had been stored and turned into a National Scandal for the police and the bone despair. But most of the investigative work was left to prosecutors in. A private shooting range. Provided even more clues. For years and structures from several police units attended shooting competitions there. Including some of the units from which mark gauci got his ammunition. The events were authorized by mechlin borks interior ministry and organized by a civilian who turned them into a kind of weapons trade fair. State interior minister laurence coffey was the competitions patron and often attended the events himself. We visit the shooting range and made 29. 00 teams and talked to the people who run it. Since then weve learned that some of them had close ties to the North Koreans group and marco g. Who went there for shooting practice evidence presented at this 15 trial indicated that the ranges owner frank t. Passed along North Koreans instructions to moscow. The better we can communicate the easie

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