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DW Close Up July 13, 2024

2017 is now being reconstructed. In 2014 bias leader abu bakar all baghdadi came to the mosque to announce the creation of the Islamic State caliphate. The effort by the iraqi army and its allies to drive out of the city caused heavy damage and killed or wounded thousands of civilians now 2 years later many local residents still have not recovered from the effects of the war theyve suffered too much and their grief cannot be measured. More than 35000 people live at this camp for displaced persons in the town of hamam. About 20 kilometers south of mosul. Most of the residents are alleged to have ties to iran spiders. There are a number of orphans and widows here. One of those widows lives in this tent with her 5 children her name is rose. Her husband was killed in an air raid on a mosque in mosul he was the militias in or prayer leader there will says he did not belong to is. As a rocky troops clashed with Islamic State fighters and 2017 she and her children fled. Theyve lived in this tent ever since. I was told that the Authorities Say that my husband was a member of i asked about and thats why they refused to give us identity documents they say were and i asked family what i thought i was 6 watching. Them and because we dont have those documents we cant leave the camp that has been that we cant go anywhere in the am one of the way that it was for her. Role in her family spend much of the day watching t. V. She herself was not a member of aa yes but the wives and children of Islamic State fighters are paying a heavy price for crimes committed by their husbands and fathers. Omar is 8 years old and hes now the breadwinner in his family well now hes just come home from his job in town he walked for 2 kilometers so hes hot tired fuck you did he pay you know why not he just didnt. Feel. Are you tired did they give you anything to eat yet have you eaten at all well i know. Those omar talked to grow sure into giving him a bag of tomatoes its not much but its better than nothing. He earns the equivalent of less than a euro a day as a workmans assistant. We used to live well. Then we came here and i started working. My kids all i have. So many adults sometimes i think we deserve this but then again my children are not at fault when it. Chilly says they and other Family Members havent committed any crimes. Im afraid of iraqi troops i dont have any documents and the Authorities Say that my husband was in. A lot of. Just little money but all i want is my identity papers. Without those documents the children cant go to school. The camp is run by international n. G. O. S but iraqi law applies here. Robert gottlieb in april the ministry of education announced that schools will no longer accept children who dont have id people asli but have to apply at the ministry to get them. To do it that if they dont theyre registered and their school year long count. The new regulations apply to i. A. S. Families in particular. The minister says we can admit those children. If they dont know the documents are cant help them. These families also need papers to qualify for food aid from the Iraqi Government. Today an International Organization is handing out surplus flour to large families. But the flour could spoil an extreme heat. Families that dont have id documents have to rely exclusively on International Food aid on. That issue at the moment that we only get flour and the rice theres no more salt sugar or oil or even whole grains at the british are grateful for what they give us but we need those identification papers most of them we cant go on like this and when i go to see the security authorities they hold up my file and say your husband wasnt i honest were not going to help you was just there you go i mean and im not going to china to show us it was good. Raul is fairly comfortable here her sisters tent has some benches and other furniture. The children seem to be getting along well. But omar cant forget that hes the only member of the family whos earning money. Did they pay you what the boss said not till this afternoon. But he said this morning. I dont know he said afternoon. Well thats an. Official what are you going to work tomorrow. I dont know. Your moss is a dog he said he pays in the morning in the same as yesterday. So that they hand out more food soon. Probably some flour do you have any left a little its probably spoiled they said theyd be flowers. Right now nearly 900000 children are living in displaced persons camps around iraq. An estimated 45000 of them have no identification documents countless other children live in miserable conditions outside the camps. Iraqis refer to the id papers as the gold square theyre an indispensable part of everyday life people need these documents to travel or apply for a job or for food aid. To get these documents people have to go to their local Police Station the process includes an interview with a representative of the Security Forces. That can be intimidating for a single woman or the widow of an Islamic State fighter. This is. Still poses a threat if those fighters are still alive their women will try to help them. Sometimes insurgents will get new papers and try to sneak back into society. To change their appearance shave off their beards or grow a new one. I think these i. A. s families are really dangerous they hate the Security Forces and they hey rog all they care about is causing destruction and bloodshed egoless socolow do a little. Of this. Islamic state once controlled large parts of iraq and syria it has now lost almost all of that territory but several 1000 i as fighters remain in iraq and theyre still dangerous. Insurgents have launched attacks on villages near hamam. And theyve placed improvised explosive devices or i e ds along the roads theres some sort of incident every week. They burn down much of the vegetation along this part of the tigris river this open land is a Perfect Place for insurgents to hide and launch their attacks. But terrorist activity is rare in mosul its that small compensation for children like omar who work on the streets for very little money. The children often do jobs that no one else wants. That this 14 year old boy and his cousin are emptying garbage bins. Theyre paid by local merchants and private citizens. These children are in the equivalent of less than 3 euros a day. I have to make some money. Sell myself so i can buy food for my family and. I. I. I love our soldiers it just breaks my heart to see these kids living like this they dont go to school and they have no future none at all. They have to work to provide food for themselves and for their family theres no shame in working but they do this because they have to us. Off the field of this is so i said oh mother lets see if you dont pay the kids to empty the bins theyll just fill up at least theyre making some money the city certainly wont pay them well a bit of their money i. This is the nabi yunis shopping street in central mosul. It survived the war largely unscathed. Children also work here for pennies a day. They are the countless tireless little workers in postwar mosul. Most of the kids here orphans their fathers mothers or brothers are dead or they lost their home during the war they dont earn a lot for this kind of work just enough to survive. Parents are still alive but their house was destroyed in the fighting and theyre rebuilding it bit by bit and aboud helps to pay for that. I still say i want to get it. But many other children in mosul have lost their entire families. The minas a pool orphanage has now reopened its doors and takes care of about 50 children but thats just a fraction of the total number. That i. Like for orphans is difficult anywhere but particularly in muslim countries orphanages are rare and although muslims are encouraged to care for these children adoption in the western sense is controversial. They may be the children of i. A. S. Spiders or iraqi soldiers they may simply be poor hungry or homeless its some more sex slaves for the terrorists. But their lives were changed forever by a conflict over which they had no control. And had got to him point dont distinguish between i asked children and others who dont even use the words ah yes now that they are children period theyre not to blame. The liberation of mosul was a welcome victory for the iraqi army and its allies. But that victory was achieved at a terrible cost to the local residents. The 8 the parents of the children who lived in this house were killed in the war their being raised by an aunt. The youngest child cant even remember her mother and father. The boys all want to become military officers the oldest of them is 17 and he can enlist soon. Its sad that i miss it i went back to school so that i could join the army i want to keep my ass from coming back. The savages and then taking everything from us they killed my parents. When i think about Islamic State i get so angry that i want to join the army and fight them. As innocent as. For some people here the grief will never end many of tried to expunge the Islamic State from their collective memory. Some have whitewashed a black flags that i as painted on the walls. Deitch the name for i as used almost universally by arabic speakers has been painted on buildings such as this one although it actually houses the office of a local elected Government Official called a mokhtari. His primary job is to help people work their way through the bureaucracy but it was. My muscle with my need i. D. s for the family in both witnesses then you can have your disability card oh mother oh great ill be back in 10 minutes. I dont want the owners of this house r. I. A. s yet you would like the graffiti. Out there so you know its an i as house as i said doesnt that bother you. That absolutely not but i asked road christian or infidel on the homes of civilians and government workers. That they started all this while and now were doing the same to them no i dont accept that that is so you behave like they did no no no. But its a case of a. I for an i can do to through truth its payback time i see your id card. Over. The. Situation if. The muck tar keeps a close watch on all the official paperwork including applications for the all important gold squared documents that. Hes especially bitterly when it comes to suspected i. A. S. Families. Like any of us but the dugout is they come in here and try to get new papers but i know them and they wont get any of them. By the day that these people have to leave iraq even though theyre iraqi citizens. Theyve shed too much blood theyve killed too many people to pull him out do you want someone like that living next door to you. Yeah you want them living in your town police its just not acceptable and the mob of which. You are sure much little quartus those dollars that want this Islamic State kill children old people officers and soldiers and we should let these people back into the community for their kids are just like them i guess killed our children live now. You have to pay a price for hurting people yeah i think i asked fighters should have thought about that before hand. Delivered the food they should have thought about their children their wives their brothers their family their tribe the book i didnt look at a guy but they knew this would be a dead body but it meant that you can join i. A. S. Committee awful crimes that matter and then expect us to take care of your kids i did absolutely not to be a thought ha oh no were not so this mokhtari is committed to keeping suspected i as Family Members out of his neighborhood. But some people are reportedly taking the law into their own hands because im sure there are rumors going around that some whove been linked to Islamic State have been killed by local residents. There i dont. Hold you to some Family Members fear for their safety to the point where theyve gone into hiding. Weve come to a suburb of mosul to meet some of them we wanted to find out whether they still support an organization that is now condemned by so many local residents. In your opinion of i guess. Im sorry to interrupt i thought it was fine to tell you the truth. I could practice my religion as i wished with no restrictions. So i enjoyed my life under Islamic State. Sure things were better back then and nowadays everyone gives us a hard time to do that but without us with felt secure everything was fine. The month. The summer no we dont feel safe anymore if i want to go out in public on my i have to sneak out of the house. Does the outline of the car know she acted out of love and. This womans husband is said to have been an i as fighter she says hes dead but he supposedly survived the battle of mosul. She claims to know nothing about is a work as she calls it. One has a good and i was sometimes he said he was a soldier other times he said he was a commander i dont know for sure but i had to the how to he never told me about his work he didnt trust anyone. A coffee at the hotel of course his work frightens me but i dont know anything about it. And im scared because he did that work for a long time. And thats why the authorities are looking for him. Im afraid that theyll arrest me because of him. And there are never what they want to. Be so bring back i yes. My life. So run searing my situation id like to see that. She has a 10 year old son one of the Islamic State child soldiers the lion cubs of the caliphate. They were trained in special camps but i also use them as human shields. Weve agreed not to show his face. He suffers from a nervous tic and vision problems. Ive been exercising to make myself stronger. Every hour i do push ups and target practice by throwing rocks at bottles. The boy works at a construction site in mosul to work in money to help his family. So far hes managed to escape the security patrols that are constantly on the lookout for Islamic State sleeper cells. Reports say an estimated 20000 people who have alleged ties to i answer being held in iraqi prisons among them are several 100 former child soldiers. What will become of these prisoners. The authorities seem to have forgotten that Islamic States origins can be traced back to a u. S. Detention facility that was set up in 2003 during the iraq war. The prisoners could decide to join forces just as they did back then. Baghdad based authorities have now come to mosul to make sure that all residents are properly registered. The norwegian Refugee Aid Organization that manages this camp also offers legal advice to widows. This mother needs documents for her 2 year old son who was born after the battle of mosul. Just was he born in a hospital or a tent. In a tent. Just. How many in the family. 7 of them here youngest yes. We do you work or stay at home i stay home with him at home yes and your husband hes dead. Did he stay with you. When they arrived he waited a year and then joined them. If he wanted to say it was it was he wants it i dont know but i applied for a security clearance from the authorities. Official and you get it do you have the documents yes yes here they are. But show me. That security clearance is called a to breo it proves that a spouse is no longer legally wed to an i. A. S. Member it gives people who are suspected of having ties to i. A. S. The opportunity to start life with a clean slate the type bria is mandatory even if as in this case the Family Member never actually belong to Islamic State. I would out here i told my husband dont join them think of our children he said god will protect you. This morning more than 600 residents of the hamam hollioake camp are to be sent back to their home regions and the norwegian Aid Organization cant do anything to stop it. All the representatives can do is keep an eye on the situation because the Iraqi Government has the final say. Critics consider such actions forced repatriations which are illegal under International Human rights law. I said i want you to listen to this lets go on and you go as i said was that tough ill take your daughter to the top of what i do feel like i go civil complacence announce certain future disabled and sick people are just being herded on to the boss that its unacceptable. To just accept the i. Dont know where were going i think there doesnt appear to another camp. And what camp no ones told us anything. So im a physician were not just going to dump you someplace. They didnt say were going to another camp they just said youre leaving. This is oficial government policy. But you can ask the authorities to take you to another town that somehow was i imagine a fugitive and i know you dont want to leave this camp were safe here there are no iraqi troops here and no ones harassing us they treat us well here thats why we want to stay if we return to our home region there might be trouble didnt i im not touching anything i said i guess i just i some families have already received Death Threats on social media because of their alleged ties to why yes. In this district of all hala. About 100 kilometers southwest of here some victims of Islamic State terrorist attacks are said to be plotting revenge against the returning. That could have deadly consequences for some of these people most of whom are women and children. These are the 1st major forced repatriations from this camp and the Authorities Say there will be more. The gradual closing of the camps is yet another indication that the government is serious about restoring law and order in iraq. But for these families its a potentially dangerous journey into the unknown. Thats because of the deportation operations the rest of the residents have to stay in their tents that means that omar wont be able to go to work today. His mother is nervous right now everyone knows whats going on outside. But of course im scared yesterday i heard that they were going to shut down the camp i couldnt sleep all night what am i supposed to do my wife and i still

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