Help of v. W. Made for mines. How will cope with 19 redefined what the European Union is all about hello everyone for france 24 on fox what began paris and im melinda crane for dutch of ella in berlin in the European Union health care has always been handled at the National Level so its the corona pandemic swept the continent it was nation states that were calling the shots even between close e. U. Neighbors borders were closed crucial medical exports were stopped and solidarity was looking pretty illusory but that is now changing with french patients for example being treated in german hospitals yeah and most with a crisis that were 2 months into which shows some are calling the biggest test for this continent since world war 2 a lot of questions going for. The french president calling it a moment of truth ahead of thursdays Virtual Summit there are those that are eyeing dick de confinement and then other nations that are doubling down what common response can france and germany often dubbed the motor of european unity a rally a continent thats sure to face some major major challenges both within the European Union and from the rest of the world our title today is corona europes moment of truth process that cat and dutch of ella t. V. Join us for that debate welcome and joining us from frankfurt hes the former deputy mayor there former student leader of may 68 and former coleader of the green party in the European Parliament thank you so much danielle convention for being with us. And joining us from his Berlin Office is my town fun matia hes a member of the german bundestag representing fry book which lies close to the French Border and hes also a member of the Franco GermanParliamentary Assembly welcome thank you. From staus boule holland the banks of the rhine we are pleased to welcome a doctor cmyk by dr youre an emergency physician and also member of the Municipal Council who has brought thank you for being with us. Thank you over the past weeks youve been doing a lot less politics and a lot more of your quote unquote day job i know youve been working out of the emergency dispatch it should be pointed out to our viewers as asked the region the porters germany is one of the big clusters here in france originally it was down in the southern part of ads us in that city of new whos but you also have been feeling the brunt of it we know that the curve is flattened whats the situation like this tuesday. Well this new to them is as well as asian in the number of people tested positive might seen understand this in our number of people in cars between low and then maybe a little hook in people transferred in i. C. U. Which is a. 10 percent for less than the others so we still have people going to the hospital they still have people to think positively of you still have severe katies by the number of people dying and the number of people going to playing see america go by mary when you are 1st saw the cases coming out of china coming out of italy did you think as us would be hit so hard now never we we had the same image 1st the myth that we are from sars or from nurse. Early 2000 and we we thought that we can have something about. Maybe 10 cases in strasbourg and then up in Something Like in week we saw people coming we still 1st the elderly people. Younger people with very severe cases and we saw people dying or people in transfer to i. C. U. You need ice you bet we were really surprised by no one of our colleagues were thinking that. Their lives work i mean these raids in our region. Let me pick up with a question to my town fun marshall whose electoral district is just right across the rhine river from that region that as we have just heard was hit very early and very hard by cove it so mr promotional what has that meant for the people in your district and for your region as a whole. That was and still is very difficult for our region you should probably know that about 40000 people from all sides move to my home region to suit. Basically but they all work in the very important places like for example hospital sir we absolutely need these people and as a sudden they they couldnt come but also because we decided to go with the boy as i was as was defined as a high risk area why was it you find a high risk area. Because the infection spread east exactly in that specific areas or south of koran and direction jammu was because there was a stretching band with several 1000 people and these people they were very close together and some of the virus spread very finest event kariya not all are just these days we can come back to slightly open the borders again which is very important for our common diet and i hope and we will bring this tropic into a meeting of the committee of cross border cooperation where i am a member from the village of williston in this cross border cooperation this will be a Video Conference this thursday and a very much show that we cannot convince both sides germany and france to make our cross border cooperation more easier in the near future then youre convinced frankel german cooperation well thats literally in your d. N. A. Because youre the citizen of both countries how do you think your 2 nations have risen to the challenge. Devika its difficult because for the french its difficult to see that it seems that. Its easier to be in germany and that they handle the cold it or the cold it is not so explosive or less explosive that in france and because. In this pandemic. Push through National Reaction so if the 1st safety the senate the safety its a national thing and so the cooperation is is is not good is not good is difficult and i think that the french and the German Government is not doing it well its nuts doing it today still today you know what they did some wonderful things they are you know are crimes fair from france to germany etc yes but even now you know even if you see the discussion that we have now caught the post pandemic the economy recovery i think that france and france and germany are not on the same track and if france and germany is not on the same track then it would be very difficult in europe we want to we want to come back to that question just a little bit later but let me go now to dr cmyk because we just heard from daniel cohen bend it that in fact there are many people in france who have a sense that somehow the germans are doing it better weve seen some pretty prizing headlines coming out of france lays out poor croissant you may you know why are they better across the world not only in europe but all over the world it seems that the corona virus is exposing the gaps and deficits in countries Health Systems and in their economies so what would you say you have seen about what needs to change in france. Well what i can say about the difference of 1st of all maybe it will be it is different from counting the dead people because in front of the people and here we are. Also are in do it that people are counted else that but in germany if you have it they are there tears or you have hypertension you may be counted different when i said that i can explain the difference while the other part of the difference is maybe about the the number of bet per capita and you have in germany i think its something that i ate there for one family have you done in front its 5. 9 under number of ice you bet that you have germany its 2 or 3000 fire there in france so thats going to explain because when you have severe cases your ability to have 20 large or mechanical ventilation supports to save people and if you have more ice you bet and you have maira more ice your doctor and nurse years well trained then you can save people so maybe one of the 1st listen. Its that we need if you should. Probably have a service you are going for the European Union around the world and we need this urgently to face other pandemics coming but she and i got very the french spend more per capita on health care than the germans why have they have less to offer as you just described. Well because we have them. Where we are. Countenance vision and Health Policy in the last 20 years. The last french government. Was really. How their i do william i story policy unhurt and they close something about to work 20000 bets in 5 years so i have some i some moment you will not pay for these because you need these beds for the people and we in the Emergency Departments were saying that that for something of our to work with it who year that we need beds we need nurses doctors and we need just spending on Public Health structures. Let me say that daniel come back i know you wanted to weigh in here we want to just bring in a brief report and then id like to come to you right after that so even between the close neighbors in the European Union not only the effects of the virus but also the responses to it have diverged pretty widely the lockdown restrictions here in germany for example were never as drastic as those in france and in fact are now slowly being relaxed my torch of our colleague nissho the coup has this short report from berlin 4 weeks into nationwide contact restrictions the government is beginning to loosen its tight grip on public life and german chancellor Angela Merkel is cautioning germans to be responsible with their regained freedoms then the think well all feel in the locker when now lifting some of these restrictions but we dont know exactly what the consequences will be. And thats why we have to take this slowly step by step it would be a great shame if we now knowing really headed into real out. At varying speeds German Federal states are allowing medium sized shops to open but hotels and restaurants have to remain closed people on the streets of berlin not torn between a sense of relief and concern. And style lifting the restrictions to be got both legs it really depends on how sensibly people behave now emitted local. Remorse why their life must go on im not worried that people are going to drop dead around me. By the lord to the shops and people just dont keep their distance you cannot imagine how many wont pass just 5 centimeters away from me and i stand by the law from the public backing for the restrictions imposed has so far been always upwards of 90 percent and im going to americans approved. Racings have also sought to minnies Health System has so far been spared being pushed to the limit now the german chancellor is concerned that germans may over celebrate the easing of prescriptions and it will take at least 2 weeks until she finds out. So let me ask any convent it do you share the chancellor is concerned about a premature relaxation of restrictions i know that in a recent interview you praised her leadership for example in comparison with the marshall rhetoric of president knockoffs yes internally she is doing where the problem is when she doesnt talk about europe in which the we can discuss these after i just want to to come back to the difference between france and germany i think the critics on the german system had system was exactly the same in the wording before caroll now that it was in france we sharps bad because there there didnt have enough nurse etc etc the big difference is the federal system the federal system is stronger if its good managed and it is a good manager in germany you have the heads minutes in every lender its why even if they have less money they are theyre all going as the better of lead of these improvised 11 this is a big difference between france and germany and i think a part of the German Society will be aware to continue to keep the wonderland to lead there will be and part of that are its a problem but at the end you cant lock down from months and months the people there fairly dont you cant do it a family with 3 kids. In the sixtys need a popular its impossible you cant do it 5 way it says it and then it will explodes so to all its all to the friendship to understand that we have to improve existence. And distance etc we have to open a little bit if not the people who we dont resist to go out without any restriction because its too hot may i may i just ask my town from marshall to weigh in on this point are you concerned about premature reacts ation of the restrictions. Well i feel that we here members of parliament when we are in discussions with the people of our regions or our constituencies we are facing High Pressure especially from the Business People because they have been there they couldnt work for the last weeks i mean we have programs to support them but lets say those who sell goods in the series those who run Restaurants Hotels they are basically in a very difficult situation and they urge us to do must. To do whatever we can do to relax these districts and regulations and i think for the moment being we are going to smooth the way we do it step by step we we ask our people to to to cooperate we we try to avoid you know strict measures of course if there is big parties we must be strict and we try to treat the people with us and try to make them sensitive due to the fact that we cannot overcome the crisis in a few weeks when there needs to wait until we have medical man and vaccination and this will take probably all of almost about a year so we must as the near term benefits is. Again you who just drew a certain kind of. Behavior i think we can manage this we can manage it in supermarkets but its its a hot way of which also might be if i may say so differently in latin kountry submitted to radio got trees and in one go all the countries because we have a few friends of forms of its being close together on a lot of trees a good distance is different in kind of jersey countries i think we are in between and in southern germany we are somewhat more. State less in number and i think there is a different culture which which we might have that this. Or lets begin. On this issue of of the mindset of you can see you can see germany from your window you can almost say since after all its possible you have a tramway line that runs to canada and on the german side. You heard then you convince he there you heard martin van marshall. Is there a french mindset that makes it harder to observe the rules. And i dont think so or maybe im just going to say before and before answering your question that maybe the 1st difference between france and germany was the. Attitude facing this crisis in germany they ducked you. Mass you just instructive you and the more loose lockdown in france we have. Not a massive distance right the huge debts were reserved for wealthier people. And growing there we are so good. And now we have general. May at last something that after tomorrow maybe more than some some people that i grew up with daniel can believe you can see people this way and there is no evidence today apart from that just because of modelers then their dinner or another is better than a specific lockdown so i think that we should in our the country to be able to have a massive 1st things right to do so p. C. R. Or so on a dictator and downer and then proceed by spirits who finally look down maybe untruths to people in the country and i can say that i dont think there is a difference. In france and germany i think that what is different its the political discourse of the present my point and what the german president say i think we need to move from fear to trust we should trust people we should trust even in there or in their understanding and begin to understand and again better than one thing they can do yeah one phone call to. Steinmeyer spoke 10 days back he seemed to be overthinking it didnt get the man you had may call for employing marshall language in his initial speeches were going to talk more about that in a moment 1st off northwest of where mark is there is the law then border town of carling and there theyve been keeping one essential service open its a report from france 24 dot com a web desk by sample. Of the reader that. You want to. Raise or speaker who can walk again if. Hes on the you know 50 plus a few and i want you to look at the page when you look at mass to find him and. He to call toward another i dont scale in the family. Plan to really listen when you are to define your pm and im not picking up a look at it about your. Vision out of auckland calling us. Because youre sure that youre about to see shots it was on leave and because i want to cause almost feel as if they could just leave it just you have to get to. I think thats no transitions what tough about india and what life under. The microscope got after so i think im just. Living im happy to talk to the good news or not from just a kid. So a great example there of how innovative people capable can become in a crisis necessity being the mother of invention but as you mentioned the town from marshall in fact the border closures have caused a good deal of disruption serious disruption what would you say looking at cross border cooperation as a whole how healthy is Franco German solidarity in general. Are basically am i thinking. We hear france and germany im always hearing different viewpoints on things but as we discuss together we can find a compromise and if we reach across from my eyes this often can beam and what will for the Member States of the European Union to follow that is basically how i would like just described our partnership and im. A very specific partnership of course is the one we are having between ill send us. Some of the western germany a specific piece bob because we are almost the same culture on historically you and bad therefore. I really am very sad about the fact that we have had the board us close and this count to go on as i say and in the beginning we must open again these borders of coras on them in deigning strict standards of hygenic measurement measures that is quite clear but we must meet again because that is the reason why in europe we build friendships we have a sharing of area all people can move can get together we have these tools in the arrest was Program Europe has been. Going to unity of