Outside what mr collins plans. Oh. Certainly the way to remind us. And. Mr Prime Minister your job must be one of the most complicated in the world i mean there is your relationships with the United States china who really wants to invest here but the more they invest your relationships with the United States might become even a little bit more complicated then you have iran afghanistan before you joined politics you have has had such a fantastic life why do you do that to yourself. So a few questions let me start firstly i came into politics because i felt that august. Has tremendous potential always had tremendous potential when we were growing up by just one was the Fastest Growing country in asia it pakistan was a role model for development in the sixtys so we lost our way and my whole objective of coming into politics was that we wanted pakistan to achieve its potential and it has huge potential. Your 1st question that. We live in a tough neighborhood we have issues balancing act because. We have for instance saudi arabia which is one of pakistans greatest friends always been a friend in need for us then we have iran which is a neighbor and we have always had Good Relationship with iran so the conflict between saudi arabia and iran. Is something which which for pakistan would be disastrous if it if it went into some sort of military conflict. So so we are trying our best to make sure that these 21 neighbor and one friend do not things do not deteriorate amongst them things do not actually lead to conflict and as it is the street and cannot afford another conflict the other is of understand by christan is doing its best for peace in afghanistan of honest is one country which has suffered in the last 40 years and just purely on a humanitarian basis apart from of understand being our neighbor we pray for. Peace still to take place between the taliban and the americans and the a Foreign Government so finally there would be peace that the biggest problem right now is india id like to catch up on that i mean we were nearly facing a war last year and ever since Prime Minister modi script this special status for indian administrate customary last august its getting even more tense what is your government doing or planning to defuse this tensions with new delhi. Look i was the 1st. Political leader to warn the world about what has happened india india has been taken over by an extremist a racially extremist exclusive ideology which is called in due time. Ideology stems from r. S. S. R. S. S. Was born in 1025. 00 a model that its parisian was the nazi party in germany the Founding Fathers of r. S. S. Believed in the nazi ideology of racial supreme superiority and just as the nazi ideology was built on hatred for another minority similarly the r. S. S. Ideology is based on hatred for muslims and other minorities christians as well so therefore i warn the world that this is it it is a tragedy for india and i think for its neighbors that india has been taken over by this r. S. S. Ideology which by the way 3 times was banned in india as a terrorist organization the r. S. S. Assassinated the great gandhi so. A Nuclear Armed country of 1300000000 people is in the hands of extremists and so not only are people of india going to suffer and they are already suffering their rights and demonstrations but kashmir. To be specific 8000000. 00 kashmiris now for over 5 months are in a state of siege and its because of the r s ideology which believes that only india belongs to hindus other minorities are inferior what does that mean for you i mean how can you handle that conflict do you try to talk to modi what are you doing. Well when i 1st became the Prime Minister i made every effort to talk to the Indian GovernmentPrime Minister the in the moody. My 1st speech i said you come one step towards us we come to towards you that we can resolve all our differences through dialogue. But it soon transpired that there was a recent why india was not responding and the reason was the r. S. S. Ideology and this then soon became evident last year when on 5th august they unilaterally annex. Is a disputed territory between pakistan and india. In the. Several United Nations resolutions from 70 years ago. Not only call it a disputed territory but the people of kashmir were given the right by the International Community by the United Nations that the. Plebiscite they were they should decide their own destiny. But Prime Minister conned many pakistani people who also say that the human rights situation in the pakistani part of kashmir is also not perfect how do you answer to that. Well this is very easy why the we invite anyone anywhere in the world can come and see the pakistan side of caution and then they go and see the indian side of caution let them decide what is the difference here but still they protest against the administrations on the knowledge in kashmir so thats not really freedom of expression is or either isnt it. Has free and Fair Elections they select their own government their on their own affairs like any government they would have problems but as i repeat again why why dont we invite all observers from anywhere in the world they could go to the pakistan side of and then they go to the indian side of course they will not be allowed to go to the indian side of course everything is sealed all the top leadership is in jails in india. Thousands of teenagers have been picked up from the worms and taken away this store internet facility the talk of clamp down you cannot compare what is happening in india to what is. But let me stress that one more time i mean you did really take strong stands for the freedom of the kashmir people obviously on both sides and you do that also in front of the United Nations dont you think your words would be even heard more and better if like for example protests in kashmir in the pakistani side would be also a lie allowed why dont you let me say. The best thing is let the people of kashmir decide the people of pakistan and india and. Let them decide what they want to do but just under is all ready to give them the right of through a referendum or a plebiscite let them decide whether they want to remain with pakistan or whether they want to be in the independent were all for it you just coming back from cush me i mean there was a horrible eminent more than 90 people as we know by now got killed what is the situation there right now its Climate Change thats all i can say very strange thing this is happened. This sort of whether. In kashmir was unexpected and in that particular area where. Most of the people went to these 2 houses thinking that they were safe and the avalanche when it came it just took those 2 houses so thats where the tragedy was but unfortunately this is Climate Change no. Do you consider unlike some cross border aids with india in this specific field to help people the most and the best there was already corporation because on the borderline. The army was already cooperating with the indian side because there were i think there was some losses on the other side too but thats a good sign so its possible in really a tricky situation that both sides work work Work Together of course in any humanitarian issues we would Work Together but the issue right now in the indian side of caution is. It is not just a commish issue of humanitarian its a huge humanitarian crisis over 100000 people of kashmir the indian side have been killed in the last 30 years and not just i mean the clamp down. Since 50 august now this is the whole world should realize for 5 months the people of kashmir up been put under siege the schools are closed they cant lead a normal Life Communications are cut off as i said the Senior Leadership is all in jail so therefore i really hope that the world would take no notice of this pakistan cannot have normal relationship if this disputed territory dispute between pakistan and india recognized by the United Nations if they have unilaterally annex that area how can pakistan Start Talking to them right down do you think the world is paying too little attention im afraid and sadly yes consider the sort of just the Media Coverage of hong kong you know demonstrations i mean hong kong war 23 people i think i dont think more than that have died in kashmir the tragedy of kashmir what is happening and you cant compare the 2 and why it is good why why is that why do you think the word is paying so much more attention to the hong kong protests regarding the situation in kashmir well i think that the western countries. Unfortunately. Number one is the primary consideration are the markets its commercial interest indias a big market so thats one reason why we see a very lukewarm response to what is going on and what is happening to 8000000 people let alone what is happening inside india to the minorities what this artist has driven ideology is doing with this citizen registration act and this citizenship pact which is blatantly against the minorities specifically 200000000 muslims i mean this is unheard of what theyre doing right now in india but specifically on kashmir. The silence of the world is done by one because of commercial interests india being a big market and number 2 i think. In the strategic. Western mind india is supposed to be a counterbalance to china and therefore you see a completely different approach to what is the all this. I am afraid this is going to pose a threat not just to pakistan in the neighboring countries or to the indian minorities but eventually this will be a threat to world peace because remember. If if this goes wrong in other words the rhetoric of the Indian Army Chief saying that the they put blame on pakistan side of kashmir 2 and is saying Something Like if there was a Parliament Resolution then then the indian army was ready to move to the pakistan side of what would happen. The unthinkable would happen dude Nuclear Armed countries would come face to face and thats why even the United Nations i went. To the General Assembly and i appealed to the un that you must intervene right now before things get out of hand because what could what could europe and what could germany specifically do in that regard i think germany has a huge role or german germany is the strongest country in europe and therefore the European Union germany can play a part of the e. U. Which is a big. You know one of apart from the us even the other. Big block which the world looks for upholding human rights so we hope that germany plays its part i spoke to Johnson Merkel and i tried to explain to her that everything about what is happening in india and actually she did make a statement when she was in india saying that you cannot have this. Go on for unlimited period of time with 48000000 people up and put under siege 5900000 indian troops so she said she did speak about it but i think. And i hope the germany will speak out against what is happening. Mr Prime Minister you talked about minorities your governments because of poor cory door is a long indian 6 to visit a really important place of pilgrimage here in pakistan and you got a lot of applause for that do you think it can help. To improve the relationship with india. I have and i have not understood that what was the mindset. I mean no logical mind would not go towards solving. And im talking about indian leadership and pakistani leadership any logical mind would want to have peace and solve our issues through dialogue its logical because you know when you when you trade we know in European Union that once trade start between 2 countries then the standard of living goes up and both the countries even if you suffer for it imbalance for us for a short time but eventually everyone benefits from trade so this is the what are i had in mind when i spoke to the indian Prime Minister when i 1st won the elections and the whole idea was that you know to alleviate poverty in the subcontinent the best thing would be for india and pakistan to start trade are you planning something for the Hindu Community as well so that they for example would be allowed to have a free travel to india to visit their places there. At the moment this is just a corridor could not resist chicago where the because its one of the most sacred in fact it is the most sacred place for for for the security and it was only 4 kilometers from the border so we thought that you know. Why should the security not be able to visit it from india or anywhere else in the world and that would mean that the Hindu Community also would be easier for them to go to india as well and along you know in the bigger thinking in the Bigger Picture do you working on that. Yes we would like that but at the moment we have the stench in going on you know theres a bombing on the line of control right now between kashmir so that we have this tense and as i said the Indian Army Chief just give a try to buy just on that they put it next pakistan side of course we do so we have a temporary problem but in the long run and i hope a same government comes to india which is not driven by the racist ideology what would be the best for the subcontinent as we can live in harmony with each other and trade with each other and of course theres only one difference and that is kashmir and if that could be resolved according to what the United Nations security resolution was 70 years ago talking about the subcontinent its such a beautiful part of the world i mean especially pakistan as well wouldnt it be great if you could kind of let tourism blossom and get more people here to visit these beautiful sights we have we have we are opening up pakistan for tourism we have. 470 countries we have decided to give them visa on the airport so its a big change in pakistan we have we are really opening up our country for tourism pakistan is actually one of the most undiscovered. Tourist tourism paradise of the world this is our Northern Areas up if you people like mountain tourism i think there is no the most unique place in the world as far as mountain tourism go are the Northern Areas so what else are you going to do to improve tourism or to grow the its also an economical branch right i mean well for a start of security situation has. Improved by august than has. You know been the safest as since 2004 you know really to. The problems in pakistan started after 2004 with the but we joined the war on terrorism and so but just came in the eye of the storm and we lost a lot of people 70000 pakistanis died in this war but now this is the safest year after 2004 so were heading out towards security in this country and thats why as it does tourism doubled in pakistan last year so as it is because of the secure environment we are having a lot of tourists is a Prime Minister when we talk about Security Issues we have to talk about afghanistan what is the current status of the afghan peace talks. As far as i know they were heading towards a cease fire. And we hope that this happens because i repeat again of understand. Is a great tragedy for 40 years people of afghanistan have suffered. Through conflict and so what were hoping is now. Taliban american talk succeed. And with the new government in power of government again of course president romney being reelected we hope that no this some sort of a Peace Agreement which is. Apart from the people who want to stand the next country that is desperate for that Peace Agreement is pakistan because it opens up opportunities for trading right up in central asia it becomes an economic corridor for us trading between if the more peace returns to of one is than the more people in specially keep the adjoining province to a plan is done will benefit so. As i said we are praying that this works out of this state you really were quite a big bit of a help for the United States how close this to connection to the taliban right now what pakistan has done its played its part in the peace talks weve encouraged the peace talks and secondly also we have. You know there was a hostage situation so pakistan played its part in getting the there were 3 western hostages which or 2 which were released so we we are doing our best and whatever influence because remember the 2700000 of one deputies and pakistan so whatever part we can play because of still the refugees and whatever linkages pakistan has with the taliban because remember pakistan was the government that are victimized the taliban government. Which was there to. 2001 so so we will do our best is indias increasing influence in afghanistan a threat for you what do you make of that its well. Any country of understand is an independent country and it can have relationship with anyone or problem was really one of pakistan our Security Forces felt that india was instigating attacks into pakistan through afghanistan that was the main concern of pakistan part from the. India and afghanistan relationship is between the 2