Transcripts For DW The Day 20240713 : comparemela.com

Transcripts For DW The Day 20240713

Government is planning to organize a summit are so few of them. We all work in the same direction of the police. No good libyan will accept any bloodshed from the sun cease fire is a wise decision. Also coming up tonight an exclusive report hiding his identity to bring the truth to what one Hong Kong Police officer thinks about the prodemocracy protests. Im just frustrated because some offices really dislike the protesters and honestly they really want to bake them up i have to say the senior offices have basically messed it up. On to our viewers on p. B. S. In the United States and all around the world welcome we begin the day with libyas unlikely peace broker in 2011 germany Drew International criticism when it refused to support a Un Security Council resolution that authorized military intervention in libya early ends fears at the same time would soon be realized that libya liberated from a dictator would soon become libya front line of a new proxy war the capital tripoli remains the target of fighting militias and the latest attempt by russia and turkey to mediate a cease fire collapsed today were now in germany were trying to mediate on sunday german chancellor Angela Merkel plans to host a peace conference here in berlin a negotiating table reportedly with room for everyone who wants a say in the future of libya. The talks were meant to bring an end to the conflict in libya and be a diplomatic victory for russia are in turkey but after general. Left the talks in moscow without agreeing to a long term truce they appeared to end in failure speaking to meteor a day off to hell with the Russian Foreign minister Sergey Lavrov played down the outcome saying the peace plan put forward by moscow an acura was still a work in progress. Representatives of Libyan Society met in moscow with the participation of the russian and Turkish Foreign and defense ministers we will continue our work on this track so far there has been no definitive outcome. Libya has seen heavy fighting for months the countrys internationally recognized administration the government of National Accord led by fire. Is based in tripoli its facing a power challenge from general have todds rival administration based in the east of the country and the city of tobruk after forces calling themselves the Libyan National army are reportedly being assisted by russia and regional allies egypt saudi arabia and the u. A. E. Meanwhile ankara along with the United Nations is backing tripolis government of National Accord earlier this month Turkeys Parliament gave president read the green light to send troops to tripoli. And after the moscow talks failed to offer a solution on tuesday other one provided a clear warning. You know theyre not vigilant in the coming days we will be closely following the choices that the coup plot are have and the countrys legitimate government will make. In the event that attacks against the countrys legitimate government and our libyan brothers continue we will never refrain from giving hafter the lesson he deserves i did little midget. Now the focus moves from moscow to berlin german chancellor Angela Merkel has invited top officials from a host of countries to peace talks on sunday in the hope that this time around something might be different. And for more tonight im joined from london by monti hes the head of the sadic institute thats a think tank focusing on Libyan Affairs and this is going to have you on the program there is i want to i want to talk about this conference in berlin in just a moment but i want to remind our viewers there is a legitimate government in tripoli at the moment supported at least by the United Nations get it is under siege what does that say in your opinion about the u. Wins ability to secure the peace in libya. Well the u. N. Framework by the Security Council is ultimately broken in libya another is the u. N. That came into this letter and will it give its members 173 doesnt live in to rely on its responsibility to protect doctrine lead the coals internationally its a day in libya the say civilian lawyers from i look at the after the arab spring started and there are dozens and 9 years later all something about the situation is radically different it is the u. N. Security councils framework which is working as the many allegations maybe a little rocks for how they supported discreetly put it out there since the 101415 during the 2nd civil war and then im not allowed to sanction him or threaten him or can tell him that this is the members of the Un Security Council spent work in the framework that is just a result conflict and empathy civilian learns has really been threatened by the example of this latest convert or well we distill this down for us if we go back to 2011 there was disbelief the arab spring was beginning there was a spy leaf that something good could happen in the arab world and in Northern Africa the u. S. President barack obama he put the resolution to the u. N. Security council and intervention took place and it did not work the way it was planned do you do you want to venture an explanation there what happened was the International Community venn too naive. Well it is certainly believe that after the slogans alone like that and i am a particle down there with them with a certain banality that these things would result in met all manner of us change all on their own i think slogans were one thing the programs and really significant change beyond just the head of the states because those states had gritty details of goals and and that is an element of what has been going on across the arab world where you have the deep state that is the remnants of those former regimes those networks as political and economic and Security Networks as patronage that works how you got to a country beyond just that that your homes i had to limit security and almost disenfranchise many of the population those things no one had a clue about how to sort them let alone the local populations that had rose up in different cities there was sort of egypt that it was so and so autocratic regime it doesnt it seem. I turned it into this it as in sudan very very recently as well as the crackdown see a small city absolutely leveled and perhaps this movement doesnt lead to where some i did for but it doesnt mean that people have kind of given up on this on this because i think there is really a movement it is going across the world that those things but. The danger is none of their standing in the way that those things have been about it because ultimately when you look at a place like tripoli the way this war over the last 9 months you had a small little blip of late let the democratic aspiration theres a musket extinguished but not under the pretext of that and have spread into that human rights of special privileges as those things are you know that you cant thats you fashionable because of the rights of what has happened is theres been a Even Movement called the returns all too apparent instability and that has come at a great expense because the arab world and especially india and back in 2011 you know as i said earlier in the program in germany did not support the Un Resolution the no fly zone over libya was something that germany did not want to participate in and it proved that that germany despite all the criticism was probably right at the time in looking towards the future and now we have germany this coming sunday trying to mediate some form of peace but were talking about 9 years between 2011 and today is a European Countries efforts to bring peace to libya too little too late. I think we have to really look at certainly theres also such a mystery in europe because there are so many things that could have been done but we brushed under the carpet leave in my years later well to your can do very very easily and very very you know with adequate political will is to enforce an arms embargo you can only fight if you have arms and weapons supplies and over the last 3 days a lot of it must go to exit and that there had been need shipments from the u. A. E. Special forces base but not without any go into Eastern Libya that has been somewhat looked at it after he left moscow knowing he had the backing to go to go fight if the u. N. Will in germany it will its going to force on somebody that would force the local players to have no other option but you need to make peace a little and you have to make real little because its easy to say dont mess up the but somehow its better to look at both of these things because for every situation that libya and the west would look syria we have genocides that were likely to run 20 years ago. You know Standing Police assistance is not going to let them go where they will like this the situation and you know i was wondering im going to do not im sorry if theres a fit of feedback here and im sorry about that me just ask you there what about the credibility of the german chancellor i mean its its its clear that europe and germany dont want another migration crisis like we had in 2015 and they dont want one coming from libya which would explain why they want to do something in libya does the german chancellor in your opinion is she the one leader right now who has the credibility to get people to make promises that they will keep. And has a great addition at least in the north of us just policy at the very least its a trial is not being called into question any moment given the announced that theres been a conference for over 4 months and so i think its the adequate forum but the question really is and certainly angular merkel is you know has all the credibility that any should enjoy when theyre trying to host a conference that theres but the real question is is that adequate political will in europe can emanate from germany and at it from that meeting because to be frank we could have had this meeting last got my months ago there that the participants are all members of internationally that at least again to the journalists the question really is are other members of internationally a right enough so i want to sort this because theres only one thing you can do with fear and fear is easily manipulable you know something that could be manipulated by other actors like russia you know could continue to manipulate the situation and ease the motivation crisis that the great movie are about. The question is is that a political will to put this to bed not a letter its yeah youre right it could have been as simple as a skype video call but it wasnt until the money joining us tonight from london and as we appreciate your insights tonight thank you. The investigation into the crash of that Ukrainian Airlines jet last week its just beginning iran has admitted that one of its missiles accidentally shot down the plane near tehran and this tragedy is the latest in a string of events drawing the worlds attention some say casting the worst of light on ukraine and you dont have to go back so far in time you may remember just a few years ago in the capital those demonstrations in favor of closer ties with the European Union that turned violent and deadly scene there after russia annexed crimea and illegal act it also sent military aid and personnel to help fight a bloody separatist movement in the eastern section of ukraine the fighting is still ongoing and the hope attached to the election of president vladimir is alinsky in ukraine earlier this year well it was dashed quickly when a phone conversation between the president and us President Donald Trump ignited a political firestorm in washington resulting in the impeachment of drop the other day all of this recent history prompted alina because of the Brookings Institution to write this ukraine seems to have a dark cloud over it its finding a war against russia and its become part of the political war in the us this tragedy again puts ukraine in the middle of conflicts that have nothing to do with it all right for some analysis lets take you now to kiev where d. W. Is Nick Connelly is joining us good evening to you in nic i mean theres a very sad perception when it comes to ukraine at the moment we saw it in that quote right there which ukraine do you see as a correspondent living there and reporting from there. Good evening brant i think most ordinary ukrainians are fully aware of that dark cloud over seas hanging over them but it is true has been an extraordinary few months and a real baptism of fire needed that phrase is for ukraines new president. In office less than a year having to deal with being at the heart of this u. S. Impeachment conflict something he didnt choose he didnt seek out something it was thrust upon him and now again with this ukrainian plane being shot down over tehran being in a essentially the finding himself in the midst of the west conflict with iran again unexpectedly again without having done anything to be so i think its a very intriguing its a very winning line im not sure theres so much to it i think the Bigger Picture is that ukraine has to deal with the fact that the u. S. Is absent from europe especially now in this impeachment period any kind of involvement ukraine seems to be toxic in washington and that means that ukraine has lost significant support from the u. S. And might now be pushed into some kind of deal with the russians thats the baseline rather than some kind of course make. Astrological set up thats really doing ukraine is present in. A lot of hope that was invested in the election. And a lot of that hope was dashed i think when this tragedy occurred last week just because hes president doesnt mean that things are going to happen that are attached to ukraine has that do you think in the minds of people. Told them that he is unfortunately already a disappoint me. Im not sure i mean this definitely has been a puzzling time for people here in Ukraine Ukraine has to be had to fight to get attention especially in the west and a lot of people i mean its basic as is it called ukraine or the ukraine people not really knowing how to spell kiev with a while with the russian spelling it is basically that this is a problem that ukraine really has faced for decades and now suddenly to find itself at the center of the International News agenda has been very strange having said that theres been some really positive signs for ordinary ukrainians over the last few months something that hasnt got the same kind of airing internationally ukraines currency the region has really added in value against International Currencies that really is an important psychological indicator for ordinary ukrainians people here might not be able to tell you what was happening in politics 5 or 10 years ago but they will be able to tell you how much the dollar cost them back in 2004 back in 2010 that is something that is a peoples minds and that strengthening the currency really makes people feel that theyre getting wealthier and theyre getting back to some kind of Economic Situation there before also just before the news hole days you have big exchange of prisoners with the production separatists that again a big feel good moment that presents lets give the form a showman was able to really explore it to the max and to really ram down peoples kind of through a really going to highly publicized with tears on the tarmac here in kiev so it is a mixed picture but definitely nationally it does look like one disaster after the other what it may look like that ukraine is all alone in a very ugly and hostile world is that one way of seeing it and you know i have to ask you like you said the beginning of what about all of this just being a you know a case of a lot of bad luck and nothing. Definitely you crazy looking in a more difficult International Position than it was even just a few years ago i think as i said the main problem there being the us and the us broadly more broadly withdrawing its attention from europe and kind of closing in on internal matters and weariness in europe theres no real sense that the e. U. Is willing to give ukraine any kind of roadmap to membership in the u. Awareness there and a willingness also in european capitals to maintain this standoff with Putins Kremlin its been going on for the last 5 years now i was in paris in december of last year just a few weeks ago and there is a real sense that at least france wants to get back to business as usual as fast as possible with the russians and is willing to go into considerable arm twisting with the ukrainians to get them to make concessions to make that possible some kind of deal of. The infancy of any kind of resolution here but there is a sense that ukraine is coming under great pressure to really make concessions and to get this problem out of the way for western european capitals well theres one thing that is for sure all of this definitely keeps you busy our very own economy tonight on the story for us in kenya nic thank you. China poses a global threat to human rights that is a key takeaway of the annual report by Human Rights Watch which has just been released the report points to chinese president xi jinping as government and it accuses it of overseeing the most brutal and pervasive oppression that china has seen in decades prodemocracy demonstrators in hong kong they say that beijing is using the Territories Police to enforce a policy of ever greater brutality and oppression but support of the communist party line among the police in ho

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