Has always been against cooperation on energy with europe to teach to. The youngsters not be frank it will strengthen russia and weaken europe. Extraterritorial sanctions will get made and see how to go forward with no extreme things like. Also coming up the risks in the pipeline and the risks in the network an exclusive interview with the head of chinas 5 g. Giant who way he says theres every reason to trust his company can the state of china force you to give information which you would be able to collect for example in germany now while we once were away has never received any such requests. To our viewers on p. B. S. In the United States and all around the world welcome we begin the day with threats coming from china and. United states aimed directly at germany the Trump Administration has spent most of this year warning the German Government not to trust the Chinese Company who way and who way is a global giant in 5 g. Equipment the equipment that germany needs to roll out a Faster Network to make the internet of things a reality the u. S. Says who a way could be selling spy is hidden in its hardware but the german chancellor so far has resisted pressure and rejected any ban here is what she said today by not need we shouldnt take to exclude a company from the process but we shouldnt be blind we have to be aware of trust issues to deal with. Merkel is obviously walking a tight rope in 2016 in china surpassed the u. S. Is germanys biggest trading partner and that gives china valuable leverage just a few days ago the Chinese Ambassador here in berlin threatened retaliation if who way is banned well threats they come more easily and more quickly than trust in an exclusive interview the w. s in his poll spoke with the man at the top of her way she asked him about tech and trust more and more governments really expressing openly their concerns when it comes to trustworthiness and espionage regarding why specially when theyre talking about building or when you want to build the 5 g. Net there now which is the power that you guys for pain has for 5 g. The world is now attaching more and more importance to it in the thanks to the hype from the us she says so why would the truth is that while waiting is leading in 5 g. Because we began investing heavily early on giving us competitive advantages in 5 g. Technologies products and solutions. Which in the time can would you choose from lets have a legit fund that continues people all around the world say how can we trust a company which can be forced by law to deliver information to the state. Now we shall if we help our way a woman made what id seen 1st and while way complies with all local laws and regulations in every country and region where we operate. Camejo really need they need a home 2nd incident while way only provides equipment and does not participate in Network Operations so we have no access to user data you want or you need i believe Different Countries and regions are capable of managing their Cyber Security and Data Protection concerns on their own use and it was a while one by one im sure. So weve. Seen the 3 go down 3rd while waiting is made Cyber Security and Privacy Protection our Top Priorities will we are regarded as the foundation of our Business Operations throughout the entire process from Product Design and manufacturing it to Service Provisioning belgian told time to soon see a woman who can coincidence i mean that can the state of china force you to give information which you would be able to collect for example in germany now are we one well way has never received any such requests during our operations over the past years and even if we received such requests in the future we would not agree to them without any lawful requests so we wont do anything which will now woman chill pill which is really innocent. All right for more im joined tonight at the big table by verdi hes a member of the German Parliament for the social democrats and he is a supporter of banning who is going to have you on the show im going to ask you what do you hear when the head of who way tells us that his company is committed to privacy and Data Protection but actually i believe its not about his companys trustworthiness is not describing what is but what the relationship between them and their government is is he not being honest with us then about the power of the beijing could potentially have over his company i dont know about honesty ive. Talked to so many representatives from who. And weeks or so. I trust them personally its not a personal distrust not even connected to that company itself but in the system the system where this company has grown and which is based now on this is the peoples republic of china and obviously the government there can get involved any time they choose to how then do you explain the german chancellors stance she said today that shes not aware of any pressure from china. We know the ambassador you know has said in very clear terms that if you ban who away there will be consequences whether always consequences i dont see that as threatening or anything we are building on our sovereignty. Through technology so its digital sovereignty within europe i think europe has to be included because the 5 g. Project is too big for just one member state of the you can use or we try to build something but its about sovereignty and then it means we cannot rely on not trustworthy suppliers its that easy and you felt as a german lawmaker have you felt pressure from china or from who way no no no it was it was a tough argument though to try to to to convince us that this is the correct and right company and that its not worse than any other company and who was making that argument to you of course and i believe in the point its not the company itself it is their relationship to the Chinese Government or the potential relationship in the future what do they say i mean im sure youve asked them about that relationship what do they say about what the influence is not taking place today. And thats basically the basic line and the question isnt whether its happening today i trust them on that one more or less but the future is open and the future is open not in any technology but in the most just strategically seen the most Important Technology of the 21st century as we know the 5 g. Will change everything in our society so you cannot rely on something that might work in the future you have to be sure it has to work last week the spanish mobile phone Company Telefonica became the 1st company to say yes to who wave and when you just show our viewers here they sent a letter to all members of the German Parliament and it had the headline banning who way could set the Network Rollout in germany backed by years i mean thats some pretty hard and heavy lobbying right. Theyre i mean do you feel like you have been have you been lobbied or have been war i dont want to say threat but has it been strong or me thats been taking place with german lawmakers i dont know what youre talking about thats not tough loving thats the daily life and berlin so no and thats a argument we dont we dont share it and thats that said we said a sign to the community to the Supplier Community that this is at stake in the german debate right now so they should not rely on the trustworthiness on the law. Concerning why so they are taking their decisions and were taking ours its a pretty normal game there has been no pressure no no crazy arguments we are just concerned about the future relationship of the Chinese Government to a china based High Tech Company there was there was some controversy within this Coalition Government about this and it seems that solidarity has been failed. Among the social democrats and the c. D. U. What what was the catalyst for that. I dont im not sure whether this is. A regular common issue between the parties i think it is something new because technology is a big part of it and politics as well so its it was a little complicated to get those 2 together technology wisdom and political strategy and it took us all a little time so social democrats are formally faster now but im pretty sure the that our conservative Coalition Partner they will come up with a with a solution to that pretty fast because we need it fast because investments have to be made right would you would you say that tonight that you and your christian Democrat Friends in parliament are you at odds with the chancellor on this i think at the end the good arguments for the digital sovereignty of this country of germany and the opinion. Will prevail its that easy im very convinced that at the end we will have a rule of trustworthiness in our law in our National Telecommunications bill that will rule out companies that are based in countries where the government could get into the business of their of their companies so you expect the chance of the change of mind im not talking about that im just a making a suggestion what the end of the bill will be and not what the chancellor will think 5 g. Is just one of 2 flashpoints here theres also the natural gas pipeline from russia to germany known as nord stream to the us is threatening sanctions if that pipeline goes online here is miracle again playing the eternal diplomat when she has to deal with policies of double trouble take a look. Coming we have for you dont been against extraterritorial sanctions we have the same problem with iran in my opinion the only solution is to hold talks and very decisive talks with against letting these extra territorial sanctions take effect. When they can so what mr ogrady are you preparing for sanctions. Me personally know well i mean germany you know but the ones that are building the pipeline probably yes ok i want to expand the story across the atlantic were joined now by andrew adair hes a lawyer and a political consultant based here in berlin and washington he joins us from our studio in the u. S. Capitol tonight angie youve been listening to this discussion about china and russia and germany give us their take the temperature force in washington at the moment what are they saying in washington about whats happening right here in europe. Well brandts in terms of the north stream issue that you just raised. There is a bill now on the president s desk that requires him requires the administration to impose sanctions on the Ship Building Company that is completing the pipeline so theyre really if congress has basically thrown a hail mary pass if you will at the very last minute to try to disrupt this pipeline and theyve made it mandatory sanctions so its really the ball is really in the president s court to push forward on that its really the question is how soon will he sign the bill and then after he signs it how soon will the Administration Act that timing is key here right because this pipeline is almost completed and now were talking about possible sanctions the Top Administration is really taking its own sweet time on this issue what does that. Well its interesting you know that this is an issue that congress is completely aligned on its almost almost unanimous they want to disrupt this pipeline and nominally it is the position of the Trump Administration to to be against the pipeline as well as you mention brant down from himself has made a lot of noise this year including in some conversations with chancellor merkel investor cornells made a lot of noise about it but they have not actually pulled the trigger on sanctions so this is a ratcheting up if you will of the pressure to of congress saying mr president its time is up do the sanctions but he still could. Drag his heels its possible so is there still is some uncertainty there about whether he will indeed move forward mr viddy with 2 of our viewers know youre a member of the german u. S. Parliamentary Friendship Group you spend a lot of time in the United States what where do you think. Transatlantic relations are headed considering what were talking about tonight the role of china the role of russia getting in between ties between the u. S. In germany i dont know the north to issue is a big one so it has been with us for a long time know the hell mary pass as i understood this coming at 200 miles before being finished yet it is unlikely so i would say we oppose those sanctions of course we are allies we are friends so you dont put extra tauriel sanctions as the chancellor said on your partners and allies you just dont do that thats not a very constructive way to deal with each other i think there has been an issue about it not only between the United States and germany but also within germany there have been several approaches to that but now that the project comes to an end we have to be the ones on the side of the table that are making the right decisions for future relationships not only between the United States. Germany also Poland Ukraine so theres more at stake about the relationships on the european continent. In the United States of course we just as you do what do you advise your clients. To do with the business of the political environment being the way it is right now well say that i dont have any clients in this on the specific issue but if i were advising all cs which is the name of the Company Building the pipeline you know i would tell them to get in front of the administration as quickly as possible and if i had to guess you know all cs is the owner is a billionaire from from holland and if i had to guess he has people talking to the administration right now to try to cool things down but on the flip side you know senator cruz who is the sponsor of the bill wrote a letter to the c. E. O. Of all these today basically saying as soon as this bill is signed into law youre out of compliance and you are subject to sanctions so its a its a its a hot topic yeah itll be interesting to see when the president signs legislation if this week this week you think the sanctions will come senator cruz announced today that the president will sign it this week so expect it to be signed this week right andrea there in washington. Member of the German Parliament here at the big table with me gentlemen to both of you thank you we appreciate it thank you so much thank you. Well the European Parliaments top accolade the annual soccer world prize for freedom of thought has been given to weaker human rights activists tosi the award was handed over in the European Parliament in strasbourg to his daughter because of what he couldnt be there hes currently serving a life sentence in prison in china on charges of quote separatism before his imprisonment in 2014 tony worked for more than 2 decades to improve the rights of the persecuted weaker minority. Ilham tohti hasnt been seen in public for years this footage was filmed before he was jailed his fight for the rights of chinas predominantly Muslim Minority cost him his freedom for years he drew attention to the suffering of the weaker their restricted access to education in the labor market and the suppression of their language religion and culture. Made on that ideal theres no representative for us no newspaper of our own versions of what can ordinary people do when they meet injustice when you know some of them will find it in resistance come up in 2006 toti himself we are down to the internet portal weaker online to highlight the plight of the ethnic group the chinese authorities blocked the website repeatedly and 21430. 00 was put on trial charged with separatism the former economics professor was found guilty and sentenced to life imprisonment in october the European Parliament awarded toti the sachar off human rights prize describing him as a voice of moderation and re conciliation. Yeah bring your sack out of the parliament has decided to award the socket of prize for freedom of thought to talk to. He has done much to improve understanding between leaders in the han ethnic group in china and has been put in prison for life. In the European Parliament expresses its full support for his work and wishes him to be released immediately by the chinese authorities i mean. She is. His arrest in 2014 was seen as a sign of a crackdown by Chinas Communist Party sense then reports of socalled reeducation camps have surfaced x. Prisoners speak of torture forced labor and mass rape around 1000000 we girls are thought to be detained in these camps. These are all primes on her fathers behalf today there were you spoke to her head of the ceremony. When was the last time you heard from your father do you have any idea how hes doing now the last time i saw my father in person what was 2013 and the last time i talked to my father was 2014 the last time i heard my father was 2071 which was also the last time my family was able to visit him and that was also the time when. Exploded. Unfortunately i do not know how my father is doing i do not know if he is still being locked up in the same prison i dont know if he is doing ok physically mentally i dont even kn