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Transcripts For DW Close Up 20240713

100. And we dont want to miss out on our holidays away either if i want to be honest im not ashamed im looking forward to my implication. Whats wrong with us why arent we willing to protect our climate. If we cant keep on like coastal. Its a friday afternoon and ive come to hamburg or climate activists are ramping up their protests. I want to know how far people will go in their fight to stop Climate Change. Ive been invited by tino the guy writing a telephone number on his belly. Its the number of the Legal Advice Center in case he gets arrested. Shell accept you know whats the plan for today you know everyones always want to draw attention to whats going on inside and show people a bit of whats happening on our planet right now to highlight the Climate Crisis look at us with some looms im not sure whats going to happen but im looking forward to it. This footage of im sure will blockade a few things and cause some disruption here in hamburg today so because income that im going to. Talking humble to. Tino and the other activists decide to block this street. They move fast before the police can stop them the activist sceptic and over the road. Theyre part of the Extinction Rebellion movement or x. Are for short their goal is to stop what they see as the potential extinction of the human race. Some call x. Or the radical sister of the fridays for a Future School protest Movement Civil Disobedience without violence is their guiding principle. As i let go are days are not impressed. Tell the protesters that the demonstration is unauthorised theyre to clear the road and move to the sidewalk i the relaxed sit in is soon broken up. I think. I owe the tino and a few others who remain seated they know fully well they could get arrested and in a way thats exactly what they want. Would you go to jail for this accidents us again yes. Because i think will get more publicity and people will think about why someone who is protesting against Climate Change would suffer violence or even be jailed. Why do you think its necessary to block the road. Because the Climate Crisis is already here its not just Climate Change the crisis is already making itself felt as if this was touted as a relatively big demo but there were maybe 200 people sitting in the road they held up the traffic for an hour i dont know whether thats going to make people jump up from their couches and say i need to do something about Climate Change but it certainly wasnt anything revolutionary here today. But is a climate revolution what we need anyway. Germany seems pretty divided on this question im going to meet a man who has long said things cant continue as they are professor andreas or sleaze gives climate lectures like this one on you tube. A climate scientist hes calculated what we need to do to avert the impending disaster. As it is what would you say about Climate Change is it 5 to 12 or more like 5 past 12 or is the entire clock broken already. In terms of the out system in nature i think its one minute to 12 couldnt so we could still make it unnecessary climate goals could still be achieved so when i look at society im not so sure this is the sort of there is more like half past 12 we had to go home is way heating will have high Living Standards taking more flights and that totally cancels out all the feel good things weve done. To and for me. If we continue like this a further rise in sea levels would be one consequence people here along Germanys Baltic Sea coast wouldnt be the only ones to lose their homes but weve known all this for ages and still we cant get our act together in germany as elsewhere to stop it must be serious problem i see is that we have to feel quite good about ourselves we think were doing a lot already we have our solar panels on the roof and our green energy as a nation were planning to transition to renewables theres more which is costing a lot of money yes the highest electricity prices in europe and we have done a lot as the politicians like to point out but then people are lulled into a false sense of security. Awfully says germany needs to reduce its Carbon Emissions by 5 percent each year for the past decade the country has managed only around one percent a year. But why are we not panicking at least a bit. Of the same courtly no i think we have a built in optimist. And we each think it wasnt a fact made on a problem with c o 2 of course is you cant see it you cant taste it all smell it. But were going about all the problems not with Household Waste for example we introduced restrictions on that and on effluent and sewage to say stink we want to stand there not good policy oh too thats not the case whats your plan to spec. But thats something we can change with this camera it costs 90000 euros what can it do it can film c o 2. It does look a bit gross the way its coming out of the exhaust pipe. But good images like these change our perception i show them to passengers had to take an airport in berlin this is the from delta flight it really looks like like its burning right. Looks to disability saga and henrik have come from copenhagen for a short visit to berlin. With a do without things to help stop Climate Change. Would you be ok with not going to holidays far away because of the Climate Change would you be on the not buying as much and also as a rule i would die one day and i want to experience the world so. You somewhere when you enter a plane that you are ashamed by being like using it because of all the pollution im not ashamed im not i want to be honest im not ashamed im looking forward to my vacation im thinking oh im going to my vacation im away from stress and bad things and i want to go there and have fun staycation so yeah thats what all people think. Right i dont want to live but lets find it. So the camera didnt exactly have the desired effect. But what can i say im no different even though i ought to know better. If its it would help if im up on holiday myself now im flying to corsica fungibility yes im flying my family and i could have taken the car which would have been quite so bad for the environment. But im flying because of the spill i just dont have the time for a long journey since i have to get this report finished in other words i also have my own excuses as to why im abusing the environment and thats a problem but this isnt to be. If we cant be trusted to do the right thing do we need legislation instead. To be honest id quite like the state to give me a little less freedom when it comes to protecting the climate. Than maybe id take the train more often. Like on a cuppa xeni. Shes a member of the European Parliament the green party her constituency is an eastern germany fish. You of to how often do you take a flight to brussels or stross lowest possible to comb. His fez we put miles always try to take the train if i can like today and usually it works but its a long way from berlin dresden candidates to brussels and stressful and. Even a 7 to 9 hours on the train sometimes i have to fly because i have an important meeting in the morning and theres no other way. That the less eyes even lighted on it one of the Green Party Leaders full of a topic that was photographed at the airport where he was taking a flight and people wrote oh the greens dont practice what they preach how do you deal with accusations like that and thats michigan for you to get all feeling. Bad as i think is something of a distraction tactic adopted by opponents of the greens so they can say you arguments on the climate valid because you dont abide by the rules yourself and its important to expose that but obviously politicians. Also need to limit the Carbon Footprint as much as possible because even still shots even should everyone just be free to do what they want to do or do we need restrictions how do the greens see it wouldnt be a good idea to ban all short haul flights that have as i didnt people tend to have question egypt reaction when you ban things but they also react strongly to anything that affects their pocketbook so we just need to make flying more expensive to reflect the truth price because flying is massively subsidized and trains need to be made a lot more attractive and feel that my odds but surely the only reason the greens dont just call for a ban on all short haul flights is because theyre afraid of being punished at the ballot box stopped up for doesnt want it or whats the reason. You havent because we think there are more effective methods because i meant bans are very effective you know but he was right that wed 1st have to get it through parliament and we need to find a majority i think you do need to be accepting to a certain extent but it would still Coalition Partner in government but also towards the general public otherwise people just get angry with you and ill stop. I get it the greens dont want to be seen as the party thats anti everything again this tactic probably gets them support for their initiatives but is it really the way to stop Climate Change. Thats you know says tino and the other activists from Extinction Rebellion. Theyre calling for net 0 Carbon Emissions by 2025. To help hammer home their message theyre already planning their next move in hamburg theyre going to stage a symbolic funeral everyones dressed in black for the occasion except for one. Of the cops so now everyone meets in your teams sorry a quick question i dont have any black pants with me. Might have would need to be im sorry muttered back in berlin this is a. Monster. 35 year old tino is traveling quite a lot at the moment. Campaigning for the environment has been a full time job for him over the past 6 months paid of course. Thats in addition to being a student and the father of 2 children so things are pretty tight financially its. Just to. The moment im getting a student loan and i am studying i hope i can continue to do that. Otherwise yes its not easy i had to give up my job as i couldnt really do it properly and. To keep just stores always i suppose right now there are various individuals who buy train tickets for me sometimes help me out at the end of the month and they say things are tight if thats. The funeral march gets under way the mourners for the climate are heading towards the elba river. Extinction rebellion is looking to provoke an emotional response to convey a sense of urgency. For me it feels more like a school play not the emotional impact theyre looking for. The group want to target the hamburg cruise days its a maritime festival celebrating the big cruise liners that dock in hamburg. The ships are big time polluters thats why Extinction Rebellion is here. Tino in a few of the others have a special task here today the contents of their pockets will provide an extra portion of popcorn. They want it to be graphic. So that the message comes across. Its dignified and i stand here before the blood of children children like me and to be honest seeing it makes me feel afraid im afraid of a future that without immediate action will be destroyed by the Climate Crisis. What amazes me is that many of those attending the cruise days arent at all opposed to the demonstration. I think its very good because i think that we need a lot more of us in our lives. People need to get the message we just cant keep on like this skeet. Theres been a lot of questions about whether x. Are supports the democratic system leading voices in the movement dont believe politicians are capable of addressing Climate Change tino agrees. With the police what about the government lots of people say its up to the politicians to do something but you dont think theyre up to it. I knew. It was going to survive no theyre not we can see that it is this is but theyre not getting the job done and i dont know if theyre capable of it. For whatever reason the politicians are taking the necessary actions or able to take them. We need a new form of legitimisation acumen so it sounds like youre calling for a revolution. Aleutian would mean were looking to topple someone in power. In just a minute but thats what it sounds like when you say democracies are not up to the task maybe they just need a bit of a push. That push according to Extinction Rebellion as a National Citizens assembly a group of randomly selected citizens who are representative of the population with expert advice the citizens would prescribe legally binding measures for the government to implement im not sure if thats a democratically legitimate process. Ive come to a rally sponsored by germanys Automobile Club the 80 ac. One part of the country dreams of car free cities here drivers hit the gas as much as possible. Im going to accompany him hes been competing in rallies for 2 years now. And has converted b. M. W. Eat 36 tim drives over roads and fields. Here in this rural part of central germany its difficult to get by without your own transport to because what if your car is close to your heart is it your baby or just a car. Some of it is meant as much to me as a baby a given ronny driving would definitely be the wrong school for me. I always say you dont give a name to a pig you plan to slaughter. This while im sitting on the road. 7 tim just cant understand the whole debate over cars. Ok if you live in a city you have a good network of public transport so you dont need a car but we dont live in the city. And there i think the whole debate is just silly to be honest. When i see people at the on a motor show jumping on cars and holding up hate posters i think they lost it. Do you feel from 0 to 100. Personally i dont own a car but then i live in berlin so i dont need one. But that doesnt mean that i dont think this is awesome. For 140 horsepower. Ive got goosebumps. Here at the rally the concerns of the climate activists feel like a world away. And tim is doubtful that the Extinction Rebellion protests will change that. In the in the present muslim but i dont know what these people are thinking when they sit down in the middle of the road to look at the drive to stop for them. And i think thats the way to change car drivers minds. They tell you the drivers dont get out of the car was punished them. Thats why doesnt it actively now with activists that oppose automobiles and they always chant that theyre doing this for your children so theyre protesting against cars for the benefit of your children. You know other kid and im about to become a dad myself. Without a car id have to go everywhere with my child on foot or by bike what good would that do. If anything goes wrong i need a car to get my child to the hospital fast the thought of more speed limits or a ban on gas guzzlers isnt popular here either. Timber. Leaves the debate over Climate Change could divide German Society in the same way it was divided a few years ago when the country was split over the arrival of large numbers of migrants and refugees. And i think as soon as we feel that our freedom was being curtailed could have masses of people coming out against this. I really think that theres a whole climate debate with gratitude for future etc but it could split the nation. And. Could germany see something similar to the Yellow Vest Movement in france. Raising gas prices there led to months of violent protests. So far it doesnt look like its going that way in germany as far as i can see. And hear at the rally im the only one wearing a yellow vest. Lets see if it stays that way. But the fear of public anger is preventing german politicians from taking action says climate scientist and. He points to climate engineering as one example its very controversial in Germany Climate engineering involves measures such as actively capturing c o 2 from the atmosphere and storing it in underground rock formations for example believes will have to resort to such measures. Are scientists we feel uneasy about the whole idea of climate engineering as it involves major interventions in nature. And it would be arrogant to think that technology alone could solve this problem for we see no other way of achieving our climate objectives we cant reduce emissions enough we still want to eat certain foods have industrial agriculture fly so we need to come up with something else. This. Site near the eastern town of cat scene saw germanys only major experiment in climate engineering to date c o 2 was injected into the ground here the experiment was successful and completed without incident. Since then no major experiments have been authorized in germany because of repeated public protests. Including the government needs to make it clear that we cant just do nothing as no solution when everyones a winner whatever we do there will be losers whenever we change something someone will be on happy for us for your few and we need to make clear that doing nothing is not an option to the slot. I come to a small town on the border between the states of has and thuringia this is what ashleys means when he talks about winners and losers. A new power line called the suit link is due to pass right by this town its supposed to take wind generated energy from northern germany to the industry rich south. Cattle breeder thorsten mother and many of his neighbors oppose the plan they dont want ground in the area to be dug up and trees cut down to make way for the underground power line and its activities you can build you know the politicians in berlin and many other cities say we all have our part to do and make sacrifices to ensure we can transition to renewables in the 100 i do that when we installed 100 kilowatt solar system the working with a bio gas plant was in august a lot of experts say we dont need this power line there will be clean energy and that we should out of the central lines power supply instead so there are ways around it you just need the political will and i think thats w

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