View for him cally welcome to comfort zone thank you lets start with mr adie once trip to washington a couple of weeks ago. He went to change minds to change influential minds in the United States to talk about the justification for your military action in syria but he appears to have failed to change those minds comprehensively why did that happen do you think but for us to visit went well actually we have a Good Relationship with a trumpet ministration some people that the congress will be with trump rather than the ministration you know well if you want to make that distinction thats for domestic american politics to comment about but obviously some people in the congress have a different view the ones he hoped to influence how to differ here and our president made a very clear case actually for why. I went in there because our goal has been to clear our border with syria from more terrorists elements for a better isis or p. K. Related groups and yet they werent buying it were they well i think their meeting members of the Republican Party senator Lindsey Graham for instance chairman of the Senate Judiciary committee he seems to have particularly angered your president by talking about the military action as an invasion but what did you expect while he got his answer obviously our president told him very clearly that he cannot call turkey an invader but the president is also got his answer didnt he said the reason its an invasion this is Lindsey Graham the reason its an invasion is thats exactly what you did i warned you not to do it and everything that i was worried about came through in spades but it is senator graham who said couple of years ago to ask quarter then the defense minister of the United States that p. K. K. Is the same as p y d y p g p y d y p g in syria hes the p. K. Hes the one he said this on record now hes changed his position its not for me to comment on his flip flopping on this issues but we have had a very clear policy line on this issue we do not want to see any terrorist element taking over a piece of land rolling over people in syria whether by k. K. K. Or isis or al qaida or any other groups and you have according to the pentagon thats exactly the effect of what youve done the pentagon said just a week ago quotes quoting information from the Defense Intelligence agency the terrorist organization that talking about isis exploited the turkish incursion and movement of u. S. Forces to reconstitute capabilities and resources within syria and strengthen its ability to plan attacks abroad thats exactly what you didnt want to happen isnt it well to the contrary actually it was p y d y p g intolerably out and russell on that release about 800. 00 isis terrorists in prison when President Trump spoke to our president about what turkey is going to do about the isis prisoners and our president said very clearly on that phone call that we will take care. Them that is we will keep them locked up we will not release them we will try them we will try to return them to their countries of origin and this is what we did but it was by p g p y d that released them from prison in and they know this thats on the record eminently foreseeable that that would happen why will they did that and this why did why did why this is the result but why did why p. G. Did that 4 of 4 before that you very clearly are well whats the answer the answer is that the y. P. G. Wants to use isis actually as a bargaining chip in the eyes of the west telling them that you know without p y d y p g the fight against isis will be successful they need p y d y b g on the ground to fight isis and be argued to the contrary from the very beginning you cannot fight one terrorist organization with another one you cannot fight isis with the p k k but if the effect is that 6 months down the line isis in a much stronger position what are you going to do just say sorry feel military action we fought against isis in the jobless area with your face to shield operation we have eliminated more than 3000 isis terrorists very have about 1200 isis prisoners in turkey more than half of them are International Citizens some are turkish we are keeping them in prison we are not releasing them we are going after all isis elements if you look at the turkish Syrian Border which is about 911 kilometers all the way from the to the iraqi border there is not a single isis element present in that strip of land you have cleared our border from the isis in fact we made this case to president obama before he decided or when he decided to support p y d y e g in the fight against isis we told them look you dont need p y d to fight against isis we can do this with the National Elements in syria we can do it with the turkish army ok you dont want we dont need to have u. S. Troops on the ground but you can provide air support ok and you can take care of isis they did on the island let me let me just go back to your justification for this. Operations do you have a right to make your border area safe from terrorism to force militant kurdish groups p y v y p g out of this socalled terror corridor all but very few countries are buying this long and if the job of a president ial spokesman is to sell the president s line youre not having much success. You look at the Us AmbassadorJames Jeffrey the state departments point man on syria he said turkey launched this operation despite our objections undermining the isis campaign risking endangering and displacing civilians destroying civilian infrastructure and threatening the security of the area thats not much of an accolade theres none of that happened actually they claim he doesnt know what hes talking about well thats not what he told us in our meetings ive had many meetings with jim hes a good friend and of course as professionals we work on this issues together he may be a good friend percy now great now and none of those ranges are to actually came true if you look at they said that there will be a huge humanitarian crisis with the Turkish Military operation it didnt happen people went back to their homes they said that kurds will be attacked no kurds were attacked except p y d y p g terrorists on the ground they said christian minorities will be oppressed or killed none of that happened in fact it was our military that these are just reasons why only and sure its a plane well i now there are verses being peacefully in russell im talking about the army and church there so all the things i take it may take you none of them had violations that they said would happen and have happened happened where where exactly give me some examples ambassador jeffrey interest and bastard geoffrey and gave you examples he said we would say that turkish supported Syrian Opposition forces who were under general turkish command and at least one instance did carry out a war crime and weve demanded an explanation you claimed you claimed a number of investigations were under way trying to human rights abuses so youre asking me about something you already know how many investigate. By the way and by whom and number of investigation by our military have been launched how many missed the column how many some of them are operational details i will rather not you can tell me if there are any now writes probably us all to find out as a good journalist you dont know and you dont find its just a blanket excuses in this look if you look at the civilian casualties in the syrian war. Can you guess how many people how many civilians have died in the operation in iraq or. Make a guess were not talking about no youre talking about syria those talking about syrian civilians severely talking about writers Human Rights Violations around 3000 civilian people died in iraq or. The city of raka was destroyed level to the ground around a 1000 people civilians were killed in the resort and in mosul again in the fight against isis if youre going to talk about all this i think we should be very candid and clear about this issue and it would be nice to be really level you guys in your very very angry about your rights invest in young 9 to 113 very very heroes in the fight against isis in mosul along how many civilians have been killed in our operation this coming you dont have a great record on investigating Human Rights Violations do you so why should things be different now if in 2016 the un committee against torture cited credible reports of turkish more enforcement officials in gauging in torture and ill treatment of detainees the Committee Said it was concerned at the reported impunity enjoyed by those who committed such acts impunity doesnt suggest you were doing much investigation into those things does that we have a 0 tolerance policy towards torture we have in fact clear our prisons our judicial system for torture weve had this in the past but what youre referring to is what happened right after the bloody coup attempt on july 15th 2016 when the fetter terrorists carry that could tempt in turkey killing 251 piece. It doesnt why since you to torture people i didnt say there is torture im not saying this to justify im referring to those who made those claims who were actually behind this quick temper killing 251 people injuring about 1200 people they had the intent to kill the elected president of turkey the reports mr kalin go on and on 2 years ago the ngo freedom from torture said that from 2011 to 2016 all the years were missed the one of the 8 k. P. Had been in power turkey was one of the top 10 countries for referrals after torture and in 2016 you moved into the top 5 no known investigations were carried on a number of investigations have been carried dominated we have how many and by whom you want to say 203040 well i can give you what you will detail id like the truth i will i think i will be had like gives you the exact numbers i dont have the reports of it and ill be happy to send them to you in 2017 the council of europes commissioner for human rights said the problem of effective investigations and impunity of Security Forces is a very longstanding and entrenched problem in turkey so youre not fooling anyone you know is talk of if youre not if this is fooling anyone we are taking care of our own National Security when you face this kind of credible National Security threats against the p. K. K. Or from the p. K. Here from isis terrorists from fattah terrorists those terrorist organizations in the west only recognize as one of them that is isis because it attacks western interests but the others since they are only in turkey and attacking turkey the elected government Security Forces or the civilians nobody wants to talk about it mr cohen you sent in last month you sent in your syrian proxy forces into the northeast corridor of the country knowing that in all likelihood they would torture abuse and possibly murder people because thats exactly what they had done in the northern. City of africa which you seized in 28. 00 teams isnt it not at all interest that year Amnesty International reported you gave free rein to syrian groups armed by you to commit serious human rights abuses in africa that didnt happen in our friend there was looting enough and they were penalized but its the same group of the by the way youre talking about the syrians themselves fighting for their own freedom for their own country against the brutality of the assad regime to which the western world has not turned a blind eye were the only ones actually taking care of millions of refugees and the syrians in both turkey and on the syrian side its the same Syrian National army which the american supported or plumbs to support 5 years ago 6 years ago they changed their policy in the course of time its the same Syrian People who fought against the assad forces in the in the parea when they fought against assad and isis in that area everybody applauded them whats the situation when it came to when they came to p y the y p g held areas suddenly the air changed they said well there are terrorists they are jihadists they are the same people who fought in that everybody is thankful to turkey for keeping things under control in italy because we prevented another maybe i dont see much ground a should see much gratitude coming your way at the moment are basically taking care of about 7000000 Syrian Refugees for the last 45 years we are preventing another major humanitarian crisis and other migration for from there i know that doing more than anyone i know that like we do you know what the situation in africa is now its very its very calm no there is no very calm ok there is no ices there is no p. Y. T. There much of what you are saying you know ekk propaganda you say journalists and syrians very accountable in syria you said regional they are not a set about the reason they are upset about af and they lost a big chunk of land if you ask the origin of Kurdish People living enough in which is about 400001 way in africa and ask them how they are being true. Needed now compared to how they were treated under p. Y. The y. P. To control 2 months ago the un human when i ask around that question to months ago the un human rights of its reported the situation in africa contrary to your nice assurances remained dire armed factions have carved up the province interest loans of influence there was repeated kidnappings torture extortion and assassination that some legacy you left behind doesnt it no look condi had cleared our assurance p y d y p g terrorists which are the marxist leninist leftist group which is supported by all the freedom loving liberal western countries including the trumpet mr ation which is really mind boggling for me that the United States will support a marxist Leninist Organization in syria in the name of fighting against isis whats baffling to them is that you have your forces on the ground according to William Roebuck whos the Top State Department official in Northern Syria your forces have committed abuses on the ground war crimes and ethnic cleansing he said on november the 7th turkeys military operations spearheaded by armed Islamist Groups on its payroll represents an intention laced effort at ethnic cleansing it was he added an unprovoked military operation that at the time he spoke november 7th had killed some 200 civilians and left over 800000 people newly displaced and homeless he heard this many times from the centcom people within the trumpet ministration which actually never again you just themselves reconciled be defacto we are taking this action against their socalled allies you want them to replicate. You want them to recognize they are reconciling themselves with a p. K. Care terrorist network in syria giving them piece of land and then while at the same time talking about serious territorial integrity or ethnic balance and see. How can you explain the fact that you favor one ethnic group which is linked to a p. K. Terrorist network the socalled kurds against all the arab kurdish nonpeak. The arabs the christians the turkoman all the others serious they are coming to us telling us the oppression that they are living under under the vikings you mr allen weve talked about some of the criticism of your actions especially from our allies but what you really want to stamp out is criticism at home isnt it on october the 10th your broadcast regulator. In the turkish media not to say anything critical about your action in turkey that there would be as they put it is 0 tolerance of any broadcasting that might negatively impact the morale and motivation of soldiers or may mislead citizens through incomplete falsified or partial information that serves the aims of terror in other words you put it anything that the government doesnt like and youre in deep trouble so much for press freedom while you kind of freedom that Media Outlets in turkey the man all of you in a lot of them youve closed down the internet you have all kinds of different views attacking the president every single day attacking me and us thats why in the 1st week of the offensive you closed down 839 social media accounts for sharing as you put it criminal content 186 people were taken in and they were a chance for indicating 24. 00 reminded every trial the terrorist propaganda you would in a lot of got any proof of that have you you wouldnt allow that in the u. K. When you do it in the west its for public order when we do it its oppression since the 2016 coup attempt 180 Media Outlets have been forcibly closed over 220000 websites blocked according to the ngo article 19 in september said scores of journalists remain in jail or and travel bans hardly a proud record for you is it the other they are dealing with. News outlets that are spreading propaganda for the Terrorists Network when youre dealing with a terrorist that carried out that attempt on july 15th yes they had the media empire nothing out that the media empire in turkey you fling around these are in fact the evil im talking really arent these accusations xperia money actually to spread their propaganda now unfortunately they have a free reign free right here in western capitals theyre all over the place according to the germanys own committee for the protection of the constitution the presence of the p. K. K. In germany alone i have the full report here thats in german im sure our german colleagues will know about this you wont mind if we now go through it this is not our report by this is germanys on on official report in fact when president bush then meyer came to tricky when he was foreign minister about 2 years ago i think are pretty president presented this report to him as well said look this is your own report ok there are those workers any further know what it says i t