A conservative m. P. And leading bracks its a supporter who Boris Johnson now a baby of the law but parliament was put in front of him. Andrew bridge and welcomes conflict so. One of the biggest obstacles preventing a deal between britain and the e. U. Is the irish backstop the socalled insurance policy to keep open border between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic the government has promised new proposals where are there well i think there are already out there alternative arrangements have been discussed for over 12 months a trust a trade a scheme for regular trade its a very relatively small amount of trade that goes across the board about turn off 1000000000 pounds a year exemption exemptions for small traders. And checks away from the border but always 21st the Prime Minister said in berlin standing beside angola merkel you rightly say the onus is on us to produce those solutions he hasnt produced any since then why not well i think to an extent the irish born. Issue is or is a conflated issue in my view before the irish border became a stick with which to beat the the u. K. Government during these negotiations i want to go there were several years ago just what there was where the proposals are all the proposals are and where the proposals are all proposals they were out there a few months after the referendum was a joint statement by the head of h. R. See Northern Ireland and customs actually south of the border which said the current infrastructure on the border was quite sufficient to deal and there werent any amoco said it isnt look the minister is playing politics with this issue isnt it he calls the backstop county democratic lets not forget that he actually voted for that backstop in the Withdrawal Agreement in may just 4 months ago the 3rd time it was put out to vote so did can i didnt i didnt so dominate rob so the the leader of the house jacob the small bleeding light of your European Research group who said if we take this deal we are legally out of the e. U. It restores independence thats what you want it for heavens sake restoring independence for backstop wasnt so terrible 4 months ago why is it terrible now i think they were looking at the lesser of the bills i think they could see that perhaps it was slipping away potentially and it was a reason most deal or no break said i didnt hold to that opinion the fact was that treason may put a job on the line is that if you if you back my withdrawal dream and get it through i will stand down and let someone else take over the negotiation about the future relationship i thought it was a flawed argument michael your people have been elastic principles one moment is ok the next moment is not i think theyre playing politics with it its not a matter of well support is it it is for a large number of us i think that probably Boris Johnson and jacob riis mark and obviously with hindsight they would have regretted voting for the Withdrawal Agreement and the 3 at the end of the day that was never a deal that was ever. Never got more than 15 percent support by the public and the fact is no but what about elin any price to you i want i do want to be a member of the minister who just resigned asked for reassurances that the government was working on the deal she didnt get them she directly contradicted the Prime Ministers promise that he was 100 percent focused on getting a deal absolutely but when contradicted that which isnt the updates ive been grateful to see you have not provided me with the assurances i so i think campbell rudds position on e. U. Membership and the Withdrawal Agreement and the negotiations are well known and she and it doesnt mean shes telling the lie does it but shes telling it from her perspective hes seen the papers well shes seen the cabinet she knows its not happening but surely anyone whos ever negotiated anything tim knows that with a walk away position the more you prepare for no deal and i said this consistently over the last 3 and a half years the more the government prepared for no deal and publicly let that be known the less likely were ever going to need it it is unfortunate that so much time was wasted going down the blind alley of the Withdrawal Agreement. With all of the resume would come under that in the moment but with Boris Johnson trust isnt it and by either doesnt score highly on that and see what this is the man who announced in july that the e. U. Was stopping britain from having free ports we could do free ports he said it would be a massive boost to this court of me we dont because of our membership of the Utter Nonsense as well if we actually saw on the withdrawal that we were she would be giving away the powers over state aid and those sort of tax discounts were giving a veto to the European Union for my potentially talk about freeport when thats simply not true well if wed signed the withdrawal graham we would have been under a veto our state aid rules mr pritchett but we would have no we would have 3 ports across the e. U. Most of them in new member countries what mr jones and also didnt seem to know was that until 2012 when the legislation that established reports expired here in britain. There were freeport areas in liverpool southampton tilbury sure less impressed with their book but he didnt know any of it so this is the kind of nonsense that comes from the government is visited on the other theres a little bit theres an existing is up i think theres a difference between the e. U. Allowing us to have a free port when we are a fully functioning member of the European Union and once we were in the Withdrawal Agreement if we asked for a free port and they had a veto it was not necessarily in the e. U. Interest to allow us to have that advantage called into a house of Commons Library is the treasury wants to designate free ports you can do it by statutory instrument theres no need for a vote it can do it just like that in 5 minutes theres nothing to do with the us ill come back to the point if we sign the Withdrawal Agreement weve given the e. U. A veto on all of our state aid rules including the provision of free ports and our relationship with the European Union change is not the same as it was 5 years before the referendum itll never be the same again whatever the outcome of the brics it negotiations is what you believe different it will be different yes thats what we promised the people that would leave like Boris Johnson you too in the past it seems strangely baffled about the rules and you you told the irish Radio Station last year that was possible under the common travel area arrangements between britain and ireland for britons to get passports in ireland and the irish to come over here and get passed but they cant let me know that that was simply wrong you want it was it was a it why do you put out the stuff well it was an unfortunate situation i should have done the into the into was after midnight and it was 2 or 3 days after my wife had just given birth to us i was a little sleep deprived and a little dream of happy at that stage i should have given the interview i mistook that for the situation regarding to people in Northern Ireland who have the choice of taking either british or irish passport. And i apologize for that mistake your suggestions that under an obscure world trade organizations that you article 24 britain can somehow avoid tariffs on its exports in the event of a no deal you seem to. Somewhat buying government thinking on this because just 6 days ago michael gove the minister in charge of bricks at preparation said high e. U. Tariffs on british exports remain the biggest challenge in the no deal indeed a souvenir but that gets 24 article 24 its basically a 2 page agreement between the e. U. And the u. K. We see you have got to agree to what if they got to agree to it will have to agree to the who are they havent got to agree to it but it to make it work theyve got to agree that we cant have but you havent got that agreement you say its a 2 piece no we havent you havent got it we havent been so this is piling more going on that were not going to get that agreement while the e. U. Think theyre either going to get us to coerce us through to stay in the European Union and not actually leave or to ask for an extension or that we would find the Withdrawal Agreement which is better for them theyre not going to face the consequences of no deal until. Weve sorted out our parliament if i were the theyre going to charge tyrus they treat you as a 3rd country and the rules and terrorists apply at the absolutely does and that and im a day im going well and if thats the way the e. U. Want to play it thats fine its unfortunate it will be rules in that case and well pocket we can refund all the tariffs to our exporters and pocket 12000000000 pounds a year from the European Union in excess tariffs thats fine if thats what the you want to do thats not what id like to do i would like to sign that 24. 00 if we dont get to get a deal which i dont think were going to that will give us 10 years up to 10 years of tariff and quota free trade as we are now where we thrash out that detailed comprehensive free trade deal along the lines of of the deal that the e. U. Did with canada and with far more important encounter will be 70 the market for 70 percent of all us here will be far more complicated and difficult to get lets talk a bit about the situation of the Prime Minister and the because these well over 20 seats short of a working majority no power no authority and i was 26 double up so its 40 votes no power no or 30 largest number of defeats in parliament for a new Prime Minister hes parliaments puppet now isnt he i dont call an election cant run down the clock a month. My analysis of the situation is that ive always maintained that we are we have got a rate remained dominated parliament its always been that in that situation what actually is happening now is that with the election of Boris Johnson by the conservative party as the new Prime Minister. Someone who is committed to get us out of the European Union by the 31st of october we flushed out the remain as who are in all the parties that i think i dont think its any any secret weve now in the position where last well youve lost major talent Margaret Talev people the father of the house can clarke youve lost in you lost the number of people who are deeply respected and have a lot of knowledge yet a lot of experience opposing and you see. Them out which is hypocritical in itself isnt it well because because look at all the times that the current front bench i think thats interesting about it again science and math i vote she was present when i voted against the government on many occasions from the backbench and you werent thrown ball out but i voted against issues and policies i voted for the referendum i was one of the rebels of i voted against intervention led the rebellion against intervention in syria some years ago i voted against the h s 2 project every time its come to the house speed rail yet when i voted against the withdraw agreement all 3 occasions that i voted against specific policies what the rebels last week did was they voted to take away the governments ability to legislate and hand it to the opposition and they were warned prior to that vote that if they did so they would lose their political lives lets just look at that legislation for a moment that. The lord now says that if Boris Johnson doesnt get a deal by october the 19th the us the e. U. The e. U. Summit e. U. For an extension. But isnt this what you want to the British Parliament passing british laws with no interference from the says actually what you want it part what is exerting its sovereign orthorexic mustnt it i wish i wish that youre not happy well im not happy when Philip Hammond one of the leading rebels on this former chancellor of the exchequer exchequer only a few weeks ago he admitted in conversation at number 10 with the Prime MinisterBoris Johnson that the e. U. Zone lawyers helped to draft that legislation and the and the sting in the tail doesnt matter who helped draft it what i think is i think it says a lot of whose interests some of our members are working and the sting of the tail of the senate race is still legislation and apparently some people in your blood dont so you dont believe hes bound by law to refuse parliaments instruction i think i think its against the constitution of our country we have a system where lawrence received or it was sent it is but the way it was. What the way it was delivered was not a photo didnt slow it received a cent we saw on the statue we have a special that i think it should be tested in court where we have a system where whereby the the government of the day brings forward legislation. Which the house either approves or votes down it maybe amend it and then it goes on the statute book and at the next general action the government will be held responsible for the legislation it has passed were now in the perverse situation with the connivance of john bercow the speaker. Were in a situation where government legislation is being passed onto the statute book which the government neither proposed and indeed opposes doesnt mean that the road is really a lot of laws on the statute book that the government hasnt proposed many months many of them wouldnt have guns or the sun shoots of laws i mean what are you suggesting that he breaks the law and im not suggesting that he breaks that the law because that would be what i would say but i dont know what i would see and it would set a very dangerous precedent but i mean the the the appetite for democracy is appetite for martyrs it is it is insatiable and you only in your great city is appetite for monsters as well we had in duncan smith former tory leader saying the Prime Minister should be willing to be and would be seen as a brick sit mater so its not something glorious to break the law and you know it is our duty to Britains International reputation if the Prime Minister started trashing laws in trashing the rule of law i think you are then i think would be a retrograde step id rather take a legal challenge to the law and i think if you go raise this is really in court after that and the talent to be the lot or the silly shit then if the Supreme Court says he should then he should but there are other ways around it and theyve been well publicized he may be right of the letters. He may send a letter saying he wants or hes been told to ask for an extension to article 50 and he may want to that i like that would look really good he sends one letters. You cant do i cant do this no you would say he would station extension and the other one saying i dont hear what makes a nonslip he will never cross i promise you one thing tim hell never say i want an extension he may say i have been commanded by parliament to ask for an extension however i think theres no doubt he doesnt want an extension and what will this extension achieve what is another 3 months going to achieve and the sting in the tail of that legislation that was passed helped to be drafted by the European Unions loyalty is it avoids a no deal bricks it not of people in this country dont want he who fights and runs away only lives to run away another day whats going to happen on 31st december and then the real stinker in the tail of that legislation is in the final paragraph it is says that the Prime Minister is ordered to ask for an extension to the 31st of january 3 month extension however if the European Union will not accept the 31st of january and offer an alternative date for extension the Prime Minister only has 2048 hours to accept that date what if well what are you whats a quick easy quick thing what you can most what if the European Union come back and say well weve had enough of this weve had extension after extension the short extensions the u. K. Cant get its act together 5 years so then wed be in a situation where probably nearly 9 years after the referendum we havent implemented the will of the people express that referendum well yes so damaging there are others talk about the use of the russians because you launch youre a lame the remain m. P. s in parliament for the most britons in you said last week democracy only works when the losers accept the result and theyve gone against the will of the british people i know its always useful to blame somebody else when things go wrong but the fact is if it hadnt been for the unbridgeable divisions inside your party then the 3 years that your party has wasted bickering and fighting with itself the will of the people would have been delivered by now to resume a had to deal wasnt perfect but it would have delivered bracks it. In name only were not according to jacob riis mark would have given you your independence of earthing i think in the polls at this time show people wanted it more than 20 ninths you gov poll leave voters wanted to see that deal passed by 49 percent to 30 percent conservative voters wanted it by an even higher margin by 57 percent to 24 percent but you knew better than your own interest paid on the lines would i say have no i was surprised i would suggest that the overwhelming