But thats normal and welcome to conflicts thank you thank you for having me. You have what amounts to a failed uprising in venezuela behind you and your Movement Continues to make. Incredibly optimistic predictions about the seats in the government why is that because the situation is unsustainable we have 18700000 venice ones have lost 25 pounds over the last year thats the beginning of a major famine you have been saying its unsustainable for the last 2 years up youve been saying its unsustainable because each year becomes increasingly unsustainable and you know you said you said the other day the 2 weeks. The lights were going over to our very very well they were answering this on the right this is still there the president maduro is still in his palace with these armed forces as well with some of his armed forces i mean the head of his Intelligence Agency is now safely ensconced in the us and when i was one. We got plenty of more now oh no no really i mean they are negotiating behind his back there are negotiations going on right now and they are looking to 2 to get out and the situation is just seems that a lot of these gasoline will run out in the next year but in the last few days we had one guy do insisting that he had the backing of 80 to 85 percent of the Venezuelan Military based on war because based on the fact that they are suffering as well they are going home to wives who tell them that their work is a humiliation to children that are crying and hungry 80 to 85 percent of the military are the worker bees of the military they are not reaping the 8800000000. 00 of Drug Trafficking and gold trafficking that has nothing to say about their on your side nothing to do is absolutely transparent on their you you failed to bring the military on trial and somehow on the contrary the problem is that we have cuban Intelligence Officers preventing them. Following their children and preventing preventing them from rising up and we have over 200 military being tortured there have been over a 12 or 12 before one way or the scale of the excuse me before. One way or took office there were over 12 military uprising attempts by the military spontaneously your latest attempt was described by the crisis group as poorly conceived and easily subdued thats hardly a success is it the point is that people want change they inquired or is it real im sure theyre going to certainly want you. On me im not the only in the middle of the Euro Movement im an ambassador for the movement. I think that they do they want out from this drug cartel regime that sport tortures people it is causing a bigger existence syria this is not violates its own cause in order to make sure its not a big exodus and soon as this is a losing least 12000000 people what we will take into account those whove been of 1000000 people its about 40000000 of that dont you have to get on the right im talking about internally displaced more we will have the violence or you know youre more at the end of the year and 8400000. 00 by the end of next year that far out of this idea thats outside the lines of the usa doesnt it are you guys are going to u. N. H. C. R. The oas the u. N. H. C. R. Isnt exactly a bastion of right wing ness now is it apparently your biggest mistake last month was to trust the word of the government officials you were talking to. Because human rights you knew this anyway so why is there such a big surprise that you were played by them why why because they took you for fools student the other no if they took us for fools i mean we will hope that the that the positioning of common defense of the people come in the fence of the constitution and accept and misty and be part of the right side of history would appeal to them i am fortunately i think that we are the ones that i say to me that the people behind this and i was not personally involved i am an ambassador i am not the president i am the chain of command flows down to mean. Not upwards the people who were behind stairs and took the decisions i think you know did. Not have this naivete about the amount of money being made by the military and their Drug Trafficking activities theres another psychological component which you will know well from game theory for instance as youre trying to negotiate a situation you have all these different players and what you know what you know but you dont know what the other person knows about what you know so basically we dont we suspect is just fair enough observations are of course just a either side sometimes arent began to yo gabba this is a competitive now you may see it as alleged that you made a number of important mistakes but the people who pay for those mistakes of the people now according to the u. N. In just 8 days from january the 21st to the 29th where the protests began to write more than a 1000 people were truly detained many of them were just kids most of them were kept incommunicado for days without access to family so using their residence ration continued to starve we have 330000 venice women cars have been murdered you have very scared by government sponsored lives at risk 330000 have been murdered by government sponsored gangs 7000000. And the best advantage of you are you can see and you and they. Are fully conceived and easily what they decided you had what are you recommending military use are you advocating a military intervention im not here to answer your questions you didnt come here and so why do you sit there and say im not asking you when i will read line here at what point do you know urging the people to come out because youre putting more lives so what are than what all the other options than what do you recommend that attend what happened on april 30th and may for us is in keeping with the constitution that was drafted by this and i am going to do that and it didnt work when. People trust you know why should people come out to mr karzai because while they know because now they know how how the regime is fractured that deal stahl ok your and by the best that i saw me now has an arrest warrant he is the hezbollah bad man they also hate those issues raised your best and lost you know why is it about one price this group says youve spent the last of america is that the only view of us remember the old misery a National Crisis create know that momentary to our loss or marrow described venezuelan politics now as shaken he said the people were confused wounded and motivated as it was ours are going to fail as a result of what we have done rather than 20 years of dictatorship and starvation and torture im sorry to hear that dashed now to know and we stand for despite the fact that since then 28 percent of the National Assembly has been you know it has been arrested and our Vice President is now disappear disappear and the classic that an american sense of the child as and taken with no proof of life given and because the rodeo insists in the last few days that we will as and as for the rights of all people know about a war and i just ask the question sure he has insisted in the last few days that there is absolute unity in the opposition thats pretty hard to believe what do you mean of the Washington Post reports you dont move the 5th that some of the opposition Senior Leaders have become playing the blame game over what went wrong so its unlikely that you know what you know how you saw these injuries when they won the prosecution is absolutely across all Political Parties the National Assembly has members that have been that have been now exiled since may for us or have been disappear or across all Political Parties no legitimacy with them your decision to venezuela has their the president tomorrow i voted for you know critically no i did your glorious and now im sorry sir im sorry what has happened is this after many years of the International Community blaming us say you can. Got your act together and you need to unify we have unified we have a president according to our constitution called one by the law every single party is behind him my appointment for instance was approved by every single Political Party in the National Assembly by noon and in pretty high not ironically what has happened is now that we are unified the International Community has structure now you have the Montevideo Initiative the International Contact group the lima Group Conversations and have anna and conversations now all over the place and the irony is that thats the ultimate hypocrisy is that the International Community ok and it sounds like a bunch of squabbling children set the time when we have our act together since when that time that you trails of my people since when have you discovered this new found unity because by november last year the january 20th site the fights. By november last year the fights were so bad that Luis Salamanca political scientist former director of the National Electoral council such a handout it was a shame that here his values really kind of destroyed january tad too strong to january tat 2019 as well im suddenly came together yes of course under one way though when he became the de facto president of venezuela because mother would or is in violation of our constitution we unified behind our constitution and not everybody seemed very happy with the way he took the presidency what do you mean yes 100 s. One of the people visited on with. This one of the most visible opposition figures with why dont talk possession of the assembly the view of the majority of the venezuelan opposition was that ought not to be appointed president the 23rd of january going to be appointed as he has sidelined many of the house and the ins and we just finished and i just saw the 23rd of january came and he appointed himself we didnt have any information it surprised many leaders in the opposition a cow. Only his eyes wages are i says let us all in politics for a long time and for good reason hes a 2 time loser president ial candidate and he does not have the support of the venezuelan people wonder why they are so his views are only automatically to be dismissed because they dont coincide with no they dont coincide with the will of the venezuelan people who want out from this regime he is not the leader of a Political Party he is not even in their lives involved in the Political Party anymore and he fled the country and came in under dubious circumstances i mean if thats the pope is thats the one person you choose when you have millions of people weeping in the streets for why they all and and he exited the country and you can see him when he went on the tour at the end of the diaspora and in order to let you know as us and there are duros still in the president ial palace and you people trying to find protection while they are essentially i said im going to read these in the president ial palace because that the Russian Military the international lath thinks that its perfectly fine ok for the russians to invade us basically and have military advisors talk about the military now when i have military advisors in cuban intelligence he talked about the military has signed up and the 11 a Foreign Terrorist Organization which personally intimidated time on him we just kinos how do you not know that on any stop the uprising mourns the housing issue same way the not some of that is a lie we dont need speeches i want to talk about the military im going to talk about the fact that it was reported that one credo said he would probably accept a us military intervention if you know it states proposed that you have been talking to the us military your movement has been talking to the us my counterpart at rushing to. Let me correct you if there are factually my counterpart in washington d. C. Vakeel will speak to them on monday that conversation has not happened yet so youre pretty serious about this military intervention but im not serious well have a commander in chief that what are my. Our president that is his decision to make he says hes already been talking about strategic and operational planning with the head of the u. S. Southern command he ordered catalyst back here to have that conversation and that conversation has been scheduled and announced on twitter by catalyst vecchio my counterpart in washington d. C. For monday such a move would also split the International Community again you say so split anyway so youre not bothered about that European Union says it doesnt want military intervention the lima group says doesnt want military intervention you dont care what they think about this we are looking at all the options were also involved in conversations and negotiations to find a pacific peaceful solution a peaceful resolution the offer is now and has always been on the table for them to leave the country peacefully on a plane get out take their ill gotten gains take their ill gotten 502800 1000000000 dollars that they have stolen ok take some portion of that and leave and that has to get back to democracy and that the 85 to 90 percent of people in venice whether who want to mother would go out to carry on with their lives let me just i mean there are many many coincidences you see if you can get on a plane going to come just so no justice and the accountability there were obviously people who had been murdering and tortured they just got off scot free how forgiving do you think the vendors who people are that a shot be after what you say has been done to them well murdering the torturing more that is there is obviously set up. Their argument is that all of the document can download the document its called plan base and its in that we have a plan for Transitional Justice its in our governance bad for Transitional Justice and the truth and Reconciliation Commission which happens after you have regime change and you know this because ive done this this has happened a number of times before so we will follow the International Standard on that really the fact is these offers of amnesty may well be illegal under International Law and might well run counter to venezuelas international obligations. In january Human Rights Watch called on you to amend your amnesty bill saying that any amnesty guaranteeing impunity by absolving government and military officials of the most serious Human Rights Violations thats incompatible with venezuela thats correct when times are an obligation thats correct our ambassador to czechoslovakia is actually the one who brought the case to the i. C. C. So a major human rights story tomorrow so who so you dont have the slightest knowledge of these. Sounds on what the how the how the intern and we will take direction from the International Criminal court on how on crimes against humanity crimes people who commit crimes against humanity is very different case and go into a different basket there are people who are guilty of Money Laundering drug tunnel through my mind and you are talking about people who murder who torture who forced disappearances yourself and automatically youre saying let the whole law get out you know we are saying we are using this knowing where you are they get your facts wrong really yes your facts are wrong so when our president our president president has distinguished that he has clearly stated everybody has stated it at least 20 times 10 that anybody who is not guilty of crimes against humanity can be offered amnesty those who are guilty of crimes against humanity do not get that misty period and thats in keeping with International Law so im not sure where youre getting a fact is about the 3rd or 4th time in this interview youre wrong so why if im so wrong why have all of the human rights organizations got onto your case and said this is something you shouldnt be doing consulates or whats in their minds i can only speak to the fact they were i didnt hear these words either i dont know but i think you can go on you can go online and find them one this week whats extraordinary also is that not only are you offering amnesty to some of the military and government personnel but you apparently offered to give them a place in Transitional Government. Lets think about that for a moment just that has now you may not have the launch how forgiving do you think those woods will be that is something that will be an ounce of danger and what the men as well and people in want for and what form where are you going to be it will be put to them it will be put to them and Transitional Government is not a permanent government and you know how transitions to democracy are always complicated hard choices oh ways have to be made but again we look at the 330000 people the government has murdered with gangs we look at the 18700000 people on their way to a major famine 7000000 of whom are are in danger imminent danger of dying and or in imminent danger and in mr justice humanitarian aid so just as humanitarian aid is being is our side this regime who is shooting people for carrying out this if you deserve some of those disputing that are you telling me then that just is. No transition comes 1st those who come to realize the error of their ways and come to love our people and their country and the constitution will have that credited to them even if theyre going to theres no government ev