Transcripts For DW The Day 20240714 : comparemela.com

Transcripts For DW The Day 20240714

The German Governments will participate in the Naval Mission that was proposed by the United States. Right now we are examining this proposal in close cooperation with france and Great Britain sense to unfold and i believe the strategy of maximum pressure israel. To together with france and britain germany has done everything it can expect in the past and the present to achieve a diplomatic and complete solution in iran. Whether or not military escalation we will continue to rely on diplomacy thats. Also coming up the genocide that still haunts a nation side of a plea 25 years after the killing of rwanda men are struggling to do the one thing that could finally let the healing begin talk mance one of it says thats a local problem and rhonda which reflect a Dangerous Society man are expected to deal with that pain and great unknown and silence and intently. To our viewers on p. B. S. In the United States and all around the world welcome we begin the day with the tires that dont. Buying them like they used to and after several days of silence germany today said no no to a request by the u. S. To take part in a Naval Mission to protect shipping in the strait of hormuz now this is a slap in the face for the Trump Administration but it comes as no surprise because germany has said repeatedly that there would be no new tensions with iran if the u. S. Had not withdrawn from that Iran Nuclear Deal germanys act of defiance is also a clear one a firm no to a Naval Mission led by the u. S. Well what about a Naval Mission led by europe last week the u. K. Proposed just that but its new Prime Minister and government apparently consider a Naval Mission off the coast of iran without u. S. Military muscle to be a nonstarter and idea that germany apparently does not share apparently tonight we simply dont know 1st here is what the German Foreign minister said earlier today. Trying to get definition we do not want to join the United States atrocity of maximum pressure if we do not want any further escalation so kim is nice but we must recognize that there are incidents that need to be dealt with you can British Government will say again later today house intends to do with this we have agreed to germany france and Great Britain will coordination very very closely on this issue was put on in this by d. M. Teams so there you have the German Foreign minister clear about that no to a u. S. Led Naval Mission and not so clear about what germany france and the u. K. Could possibly do together or today germanys new defense minister left the door open not we dont know exactly to what its take a listen. Gather with france and Great Britain and germany has done everything in the past and the present to achieve a diplomatic and complete solution in iran. In the im called and. Like other International Partners we now have a 1st rough proposal so to speak from the United States about the possible mission. And we are currently examining these requirements in close consultation with Great Britain and france and were doing this in particular against the background of our political and diplomatic objectives. In this are how to make sense of all of this this is a transatlantic story and that is how we are covering it tonight. Political correspondent kate brady she joins me tonight from here in berlin and across the pond the w. C. Helena humphrey joins me from washington d. C. To both of you welcome let me start with you berlin says no to washington has there been any reaction from the trumpet ministry. Not to as of yet brant and i wouldnt expect there to be any swift reaction for the simple reason that its the idea of not dignifying that know from berlin that slap in the face with a Swift Response just you know writing it off as small fry because i think at the end of the day there is now the sense here in washington that the United States will go ahead with it this Naval Mission where the burden is on board or whether berlin is not on board as we are now say see i think the problem for the German Government may likely have been in terms of the wording the devil is in the detail i think for and that request from the United States because the United States called on berlin to secure shipping in the strait of hormuz but they also called on them to combat iranian aggression were of course then germany to give into that im essentially they would have been condemning irans actions at the same time you know engaging in something which is labeled as putting them on a collision course then with techron at a time of course when germany has such a differing view and it stance towards iran desperately trying to nudge the iranians back into the parameters of that carefully negotiated to 2015 nuclear deal at the end of the day though i think whether this u. S. Mission is patrolling of the high seas or perhaps even something more perhaps a move of politic i think its fair to say that we will see washington now proceed and go forward rather swiftly and killed or what about germany i mean this does look like a slap in the face delivered by germany to the United States. It certainly could be seen that way particularly given that German Defense rely so heavily on the u. S. But at the same time this really isnt a surprise if you look even at the wider picture here out of outside of this particular situation that we find ourselves in right now germany is always very reluctant to partake in any kind of combat military operation any kind of involvement that school and has been that way for many decades and for some time now its very its be much more of a helping hand than an active participant so theres absolutely no appetite here in germany to really get involved in a very robust hams own role particularly in a u. S. Led mission and belin simply doesnt want to see its forces led by the u. S. Particularly in in this very fragile and very what could be explosive situation right now and were just getting reports now that both of you know that the United States has Just Announced it is imposing sanctions on irans foreign minister zarif that is going to up the tension considerably but thats just coming across right now kate let me stick with you germany is saying no to a u. S. Led Naval Mission what about a european Naval Mission which the u. S. Or the u. K. Rather cold for last week. One of them and that is one of the Big Questions of course at least from the u. K. Side things arent looking so sure of that anymore either but there is this fear here in germany as well that were gemini to become part of at least that u. S. Led mission and that it could become Collateral Damage and the same could apply to an e. U. Naval mission as well and so thats something that germanys discussing at the moment but nothing has been moved off the table so far germany is in very close talks with the u. K. And with france right now as we saw there on a great crime karrenbauer the new defense minister was already meeting with french and and u. K. Officials today to discuss exactly how a joint effort can be achieved and to move things forward and find out whats very important for germany here a different matic solution so not any kind of military action yet but beyond that still murky waters all around helen of what about. That international Naval Mission that the u. S. Has been trying to put together in the strait of hormuz is there any movement on that. Well there is some reason we dont know the full details and that what we should point out is that talks were held today with military representatives from the United States from the u. K. In back rein back rain of course is home to the 5th largest u. S. Naval fleet in the walls a sense that they are putting that together details are emerging on that those doors those talks being held behind closed doors we can expect more details potentially on thursday and now we know that perhaps denmark code and portugal spain and sweden said that they would be interested to hear what comes out of that so theyre still weighing their possibilities i wonder now whether that changes based on those latest sanctions targeted against the foreign minister zarif because that makes it very clear that the United States is still pursuing this campaign of maximum pressure all of which the European Union has been critical so that may change and how this now evolves i think brant all right all along 3 on the story for us in washington kate brady on the story here in the german capital to both of you thank you. I think breaks may come up a little bit i think the crucial thing to stress is that. Attach huge importance to the spirit of the of the good friday agreement and that was a british Prime Minister Boris Johnson speaking in Northern Ireland today in belfast he reiterated his promise that he will take the u. K. Out of the European Union and that there can be no brakes a deal until the backstop is scrapped now the backstop is Something Like an insurance policy that would guarantee no return to a hard border between Northern Ireland and the republic of ireland most people in Northern Ireland voted to remain in the European Union and that referendum back in 2016 and one of the provinces biggest parties the nationalist shin fein is staunchly opposed to a new deal breaks it that was the message that the partys leader had for mr johnson when she spoke to him today so we have mass with bars johnson. Weve had a fairly extensive conversation with him in which we have raised the issue of braggs us. His sag course of action which seems. To indicate that he has set the compass for a disorderly in a crash the recession had very clearly that this would be catastrophic for the irish economy. For irish i fully hoods for our society for our politics and for our peace accords weve made it clear to him that the extensive planning that he tells us he is carrying out and respect of a potential crash. The constitutional question of the issue of abortion here in ireland. Germany deported nearly 25000 people last year whose application for asylum had been rejected but that is less than half of the number of people who should have been deported 30000 people are thought to still be in the country in harvey where now the government is tightening the law to make it easier to send people not eligible for asylum back to their country of origin as we reported the changes are controversial. Techniques airports a dozen nigerian nationals are taken to a chartered plane for deportation. 5 people on the passenger list are missing they may have gone into hiding 12 migrants board the aircraft accompanied by 3 times as many Police Officers. Officer christiane kugel mio has been on many such deportation flights he says repatriation amounts to a personal crisis for migrants many are desperate some even injure themselves at the last minute to try and avoid deportation as i remember them and its not always all my worry about it i wonder how things are going to work out for them are these but then i figure if were sitting in the plane with them that a proper Legal Process is being carried out. For. Somebody who is from senegal could be deported next he has lived in and around munich for 5 years his asylum application was turned down he knows the rules for deportation are getting stricter and a lengthy detention is possible. Is a feel for all of us lets not leave because we are not see if we are to see. What to what we think. We have been done i think if someone dont know what is probably you dont fight so i think. That those people. Some get support from an engine you know in munich a Refugee Council that helps him when he deals with officials and needs legal advice the Refugee Council is critical of the new deportation regular actions. The stache tatton is near compared to being completely deprived of their rights not only that those who slept here are being a human oist because this is no longer a matter of an individuals fate but the families are split up with a person is sick this is a matter of carrying out to potations for the sake of raising the statistics to stick to its. Authority to see things differently those in detention at this temporary facility at Munich Airport are legally required to be deported. Every case has been reviewed by a judge. Related to yeah but she will. People who have committed offenses have priority on a deportation plights those who are in danger of public order and safety delinquents and people consider the threat dealt with 1st then comes everyone else. In and by the gastritis if its not only criminals who are detained in the worst cases people who have committed minor violations such as signing a document too late could also be deported. That sometimes makes officers like. Think twice even if they trust the system couldnt meyer thanks abusive officials who accompany deportees such as speeding and fighting is on the rise and witnessing deportees inflicting injury on themselves is stressful. As anything is it is murder used to try to avoid letting it get to me i think he doesnt mean me personally he probably sees Police Officers on the flight as representatives of the german state and he helps them in contempt because he has to leave the country that is how i distance myself from the situation or its over the week is a visit from your fiancee or. The migrants from nigeria have long since landed back home for the time being they may not return to germany their train is home from. Rwanda remains a country deeply scarred by the genocide 25 years ago about 800000 people were slaughtered in 100 days by ethnic hutu extremists they were targeting members of the minority to see communities as well as political opponents many of the killers mostly men have served time in prison but the genocide has had a lasting and devastating effects on rwanda with ethnicity still very much a taboo subject our correspondent melanie jura the ball introduces us to men who are trying to talk about what happened in the hopes of healing themselves. Today these men sit side by side in Community Based social sarah p. To share their experiences during run discard. The 1994 genocide 25 years ago when up to a 1000000 tutsis a moderate hutus were wiped out in just 100 days they were divided among those who carried out the killings and those who survived it. Memories of being on the run and how his pregnant wife had to give birth in hiding of it. We couldnt find a way that the baby would survive being with us but i still had friends who i was doing business with they helped me and they took my newborn at night to woman who run an orphanage at. The baby stage but a few days later at the perpetrators went to look for him and they took my baby and killed him. Up don now lives a peaceful life with his wife. But he struggles with the guilt of not being able to protect the 12 members of his family who were killed during the genocide similarly from release perpetrators like every easter have served their sentence are still haunted by what they call the shame of their past he says hes guilty of killing 4 people including to members of his own family. I came to realize that i cant escape my judgment i accepted it and went to ask my father in law for forgiveness it was too much to handle the fact that i had killed my mother in law i was in so much pain. Many of the men returning from prison had struggled they found their families estranged their role as the head of the household challenged in the image of their very own masculinity destroyed. They say these feelings however cannot be talked about in public. And always has to be strong a man has to suffocate his pain and behave like a man. The way i see it a man should also show his emotions in rwandan culture i can accept it in public. Amounted to overcome its pain. Then swallowed it tears thats a local problem here in rwanda which reflect the dangerous side all men are expected to deal with their pain and grief alone in silence and internally although the country is hailed as a role model reconciling with its violent past toxic image and lets kill anybody who continues to have the healing process of its me a population. Away from social pressures and the least and im glad they have found a safe space to reconcile and work on the psychological well being. Weve. Helped. Because we used to fear each other. Whenever i saw a person i had wronged. I could feel my heart racing. We have no problems with the perpetrators anymore because they are part of the families of social therapy. When we meet now we are the same we have the same heart. But. The men have the same new social Therapy Group hope to contribute to the healing

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