Taiwanese continue to reject its one on the high seas party to offer. The way welcome to. Thank you very much for inviting me. You said the only way to resolve the antagonism between china and to i one is to talk and to love. To know your lover china that is threatening taiwan both verbal and militarily and holding a sword over your head continually how do you love what world thats your impression actually if you talk to some chinese in Mainland China as long as you dont support separation from china they are not treat you like that they are not attack you dont say the wrong thing other was right right and you know you are normalize that you think thats a normal way to live but a power across 180 kilometers of the strait says to you if you say the wrong thing you finished while youre eating fish i dont think its that serious you have only a series you keep saying i think you have to talk to each other if you try to visit china so call the china we call the mainland ok we are taiwan our mainland we together is a china is a one china war if you think the threats from china is so serious as one why do you european people all the people around the world are all the members up in the e. U. And try to work with china try to have dialogue with china try to solve problems its true that you know that as well as i do its a human rights record is their work and its trade and we can do that too apart from trade what exactly it is democratic time i was having common these days with one Party Communist china you have free elections yes you will change your party in power they dont you have independent courts they know you have a free press they dont you can speak out against abuses of power and they cant what on earth have you got in common with Mainland China and. I think we should emphasize differences. Go there work with them be their friends be their brothers and change that instead of being their enemies go there walk with them you can change them like what do you were doing with them now were going to do a country about human rights what im not going to announce that you can change them what on earth is the evidence what you see the trade Surplus China with rights you see a lot of changes in hong kong recently why china is not using force to press down be demonstration why the compromise why because they seek opportunity to prove they can change they came pruitt will come on to hong kong a little later i want to go into some detail on that but the serious issue is the military pressure from china is that even 2 years ago your Governments National defense report highlighted concerns that Chinese Military activity near taiwan posed an enormous threat to security in the taiwan straits now just a few days ago you had washington saying that china stepped up its pressure seeing the largest increase in military activity around taiwan for 20 years and you think thats meaningless why us say china is going to interfere in the election in taiwan sold us as coming here to interfere in taiwan is a lecture you happy with these bullying turned out because what they are now are not happy about bullying thing but im not what i was doing im happy about you know we can do business with each other we can ask the china to make changes we are the only people on earth believe that we can make that happen we can make china a peaceful country where you look back at the history who are the invaders who are the invaders japan right who participated the wars in asia. Do you want to live in history do you want to live in the us i want you will you know person in modern humans i assure people i want you i want to make history clear who are the invaders ok if you want to be someones enemy then they will be your enemy if you want to be someones friend always following your ideas because you have friends if only. Let me tell you one thing one thing why us is selling our 16 to taiwan instead of 35 and the us is selling f. 35 to korea to japan to singapore to other countries why the United States gave the island to i to japan instead of taiwan it was our territory why do us is doing that to taiwan this show can teach Vice President of the Taiwan Foundation for democracy said last month to move on to more taiwanese feel their nation is now under substantial stret and you seem to be out of touch with that feeling totally you dont feel and know the reality i feel the reality i know how to deal with the chinese in mainland. I know whats the fact i know you have to give your group of your own have to deal with them as a politician i tried to deal with them when i was the mayor here the the big city mayor i work with the city in 19 i try to communicate with them i try to work with them try to ameliorate Carbon Emissions ensues Environmental Issues education issues will work with them to battle that put magic front where they continue to squeeze you where they ramp up the pressure where they try to persuade countries to drop their recognition diplomatic recognition that you did that you not curious that china didnt remember this you lost in 1000000028 teams from the right to chinese russia you would know about the intersection using an engine thank you you recognize china you dont recognize the the republic of china you will recognize it because if i was writing about republicans and we were talking about china is taiwan we were their representative of china before 971 and the un i talk. About in history and the sense of im here artistic you know im telling the fact we exist here the are we seeing this is here and thats what you called the taiwan but you never knew i couldnt that is the hour see here you recognize the p. R. C. Rates what in the e. U. When i read an article recently we hear 21 china policy as regards to taiwan and hong kong and i say i think you should be defined like this we are here to one china policy as regards to mainland taiwan hong kong and macau was to chill out youre not talking about china that continues to thwart taiwans participation in International Organizations like the World Health Organization and interpol for instance you want to be members of those organised want to china and i want you to help us is trying to stop it why you agreed. As you know moving aside you never criticize your maybe i just as i must Pay Attention everybody i think when you say dr drew i know you know theyre trying to know what you read and thats what im going to say that weve read a lot of i have the luxury of science to express my opinion about china is no toys are being set up this is wrong this is material i have here one more thing the un the e. U. Even germany you recognize the p. R. C. You dont recognize the scene and i truly hope one day you recognize the hour see you know how to participate doubly h. O. Ok i and you see the chinese on the lock about we have a lot of their best they should try to talk we were talking as what we should try to vote results he intended to such Great Results you see that candy that candy tried to talk to Mainland China time they tried to time to try it yet they tried to do let us but his of mr cho is precious little h o n i c a or mr churchill beijing is clearly losing patience with taiwan and while you dream of some vague love in between taipei and the Mainland China is Crystal Clear what it wants from you and thats reunification and it refuses to rule out the use of force to get it doesnt it and you live with that and you normalize that on a daily basis ok in our consciousness saying to the not you cant come dancing you couldnt possibly constitution ok theres only one china policy. And that includes mainland taiwan hong kong and in my car thats in our constitution we should by and by our countrys constitution are right youre being told by xi jinping as you were in january unification is an inevitable requirement for the great rejuvenation of the Chinese People he said taiwan should accept that it must and will be reunited with china whatever talks youve been having with china hasnt got the mother vattel idea and how many people in taiwan want that the unification under 3 percent do or about i dont worry about what the rand paul thing about you dont know youve already got people up i think but dont worry about their threatening words youre going to stand up to those threatening words what we stand up to you wont we stand up to that but you know i have a cigarette remember iran must and well ok were knighted with china have you got so much of me have you tried to take a lot of our constitution have you tried to take a look of loss this is you are long as what china is now saying our laws and in our constitution we want to peaceful relationship we want to unification. The people of the people in our law and the constitution it doesnt matter what their country why they want and try to amend the constitution thats your perception our people here want to have a peaceful relationship with the mainland and we want to make money we want to do business together we want to have a democracy in the future in Mainland China but not fighting against them not taking down s. And anomie trying to be their friends and tried to change them by participation perhaps like what you do elsewhere do you go thats working so well the reality is mr joe the push on unification puts your party the kuomintang into a very difficult position doesnt it your veteran china expert suchi actually said that he said she didnt ping took away all the space for ambiguity and that puts us the kuomintang in a very difficult situation that difficulty being that your party is being told get on with this by china and you dont have a policy of standing up to it so you do have a policy what is it i declared dads claim that i want to unify china i want to unify under taiwan less chance 23000000 people what i was against the courage i was made that is my policy i this was the center so its fantasy you have to remember that all 3 are happening. In the world you have to understand the history in the world whats happening now unification separation yes yes thats the process unification separation separation unification. Thats a track of the history but there is one thing very important i also learned wrongs never mind the track of westerly track of mystery is just words is the track of this all you just know its the fact the question is what people want to know how human nature is the vast majority of your population do me a favor wants unification do me a favor and have you ever stood up struggle i said out of you ever so you answer them i stand up for the republic of china have you ever said no to beijing yes for many times what on human rights issues yes really yes you can do a good nights active was. Actually an accident happened that was 30 years ago id be told down to years whenever i went to china i told them you need to introduce democracy to your society or theyre listening you know the u. S. Attorney so want to see the 1st of the brightest crackdown in 25 years taking place on human rights activists Human Rights Watch reported last year human rights defenders continue to enjoy arbitrary detention imprisonment and in forced disappearance and you say nothing about what have you heard i said anything about that i get just now i even told them i even told them because you dont know my history dealing with them i have a many dialogues with them i told them you have to improve thats human rights thats International Standards of treating your people i told them to ok i have to tell you one thing if you dont participate if you dont join them if you dont treat them like they can improve their nothing good is going to happen you know what i did live here its a fine line between that and the Peace Movement isnt it yes its a very fulsome fine line its very ambiguous but you have to do that from your heart. People know that its ever spoken up for the tiny taiwanese democracy activists leaving che its more than living chaits more than 2 years since he was forcibly disappeared you havent heard of him really mean chair its more than 2 years since he was forcibly disappeared by police in chinas province and charges subversion of state power hes a citizen of taiwan you dont talk about you dont even know hes now you know hes in terrible conditions human Rights Groups around the world have been campaigning for his release you know one of our governor sentenced to 5 years in jail cant get phone calls cant get letters 4 times his wife was prevented from from going to china to visit. And you know his rights are being around 20 years ago i tried to talk to chinese commoners to release and as suspects a lady who just got married and was released recently i talked to our government. Went down was the ruling party and they didnt step in they didnt try to rescue her she was sentenced to death however in jail for 20 years and just a year ago she was released probably just in this year she was released and look what the people here have done to help human rights you know we should try to Work Together and we should try to talk to them and what the government here do lets talk about hong kong again you mentioned earlier the view interview and you were you were praising china that they had shown restraint with the demonstration not praising them for that who started this in the 1st place ok thats the law right. For what the demonstrators will tell you that it was a constant erosion of their freedoms under the one country 2 systems for forced them onto the streets anywhere the denial of universal suffrage the kidnapping of booksellers the banning of a Political Party the prevention of elected Legislative Council is taking their seats because they didnt like the politics that constant erosion of freedom under the one country 2 systems thats the system that she didnt think is offering you one country 2 systems i suggest you take a look whats been happening here in taiwan in the arrow see the ruling party p. P. P. Who claimed they protect human rights there is a minority no i have to tell when it embarrasses anything happening here thats the reason why its so embarrassing because our ruling party is trying to act martial law here doing something even worse and there is one lawyer related to National Security you know thats what they are doing here our ruling party here in of course we created size the Hong Kong Government especially the council tried to establish a law which your hong kong residents disagree and it doesnt trust sold that lease or you the latest heritage of that to you the chief executive you carry lamb the chief exec shes beijings appointee russian history pointy even socalled elected by some hong kong representation. Why hasnt she been more ask hong kong people has come from people is there democracy is serious system as can compete let me come back to the question and this is the one thing is important they were to draw. A lot draft rights theyve suspended they said it was not they still there then said theyve said its dead they said they would drop because they did something wrong there in the meat i think theres something proceeding with it but not now thats thats whats happening before now they say they were. Youre satisfied its over now im not satisfied about that im worried about whats happening here in taiwan and the one country 2 systems formula that she jinping has offered to taiwan we dont read the that or thats not going to happen thats not going to happen then you mean hong kong is not going to have a different systems from china system isnt the last thing i think the system what should exist because thats the the window shop for chinese they should to show that improvement of democracy to the world hong kong system is a joke isnt give dont try to violate that its going to embarrass them just to show isnt a lesson that you should take away from hong kong is that china doesnt live up to its promises of democracy isnt that the lesson i think and i think talking and wanting i love china i dont live up to the note on this i have to think we should try to change then we should try to improve them you should 1st say no to them one. How do you know i didnt say no to them ive doing that ive been doing that for so many years every time i visited china i talked to them i say improve your system especially a democratic system and they stepped up their interference with all of them look at the propaganda war thats being waged against taiwan a study by the university of gothenburg in sweden said youre one of chinas major targets for spreading disinformation happy about direct interference well i think. We all see socalled taiwan should be more more open to outside world especially western society or voiding we question are doing is this Information Campaign here while china is trying to do that but other countries also try to do that too i think we should take active actions in solving their problems well theyre open society but not open enough to the outside world to take a look how many English Speaking channels here so take a look at how many how much International Media existing here in taiwan were not exposed enough to the outside world however the politicians here tried to close the door. Try not close you know we are one we. Know should we or you we we emphasize local so much instead of internationalization thats what you dont want to see more going on here do you know when you really miss ourself 1st you dont want to admit it now we want to improve ourselves too we also want to improve china remember i want to take active active process active approach to china to make china change. This idea that you could make children. Which frankly is pretty much of a long shot why should people vote for your party. Well if youre selling fantasies like that well i know were not standing fan to. Be realistic its a difficult competition one of you trying to realize what p. P. P. Can do t. V. Is the one who came to the really election why dont you take a look what were fighting for while figh