we will maintain the finest fighting force of the world has ever known the world has ever known is never going to. get out of us mean only two people to work most of it but if they're not the image that it conjures up in most people's mind. it's like any other thing in the global finance it's just the military trade. contractors don't like her thomas graham. white i prefer to go to. the same young government expects of the iraqi coupe and was considered a good deal. for you on the yacht it's months but years go great. we have. i've made mismatch between the wave me magic war and the reality of the twenty first century . can we do any more could we find some one of the good for the ordinary you know maybe if you get what you mean from. b.b.c. world service you have to keep it from america continues to maintain a high taxes in the country in august the u.s. embassy in the one the situation in the girl is just the center crucial for the national troops to go under control over to the afghan forces be sure to situation really critical to the country. says without american oxidative we are not stopped by my friends are down south in iraq. this is a chat as usual commanders as usual. so yeah i know but if i just use other funds always out friends most of it is gay some of them the outward left on the answer. they not advance on right now down there tonight need to suck my money out those who will give us museums in was one area you can suck my money. so how many are sending out that you should be your child soldiers in the nikon seven i can't. guarantee. that i'm never gotten a summit on resorted to using a gun i because of the ideas being that people will come it isn't what you tell me this is what they do i'm the guy that's on the english. line. gun to shoot those who want to fight the gun one of. the good companies risk on comment on truck as we sometime on under them. are example have been for someone i'm. the proud of military industry is a part of how the country is in fights wars today. u.s. government doesn't track the number of contractors it uses in places iraq or afghanistan we know it's a lot we don't really know exactly how many. i spent several years working within the industry i have a military background and one of the differences between being a soldier i found and being a private military contractor is that when you work for the u.s. military or any military you take a sacred oath that you're going to serve and fight for your country have necessary die to protect a way of life one that you believe in the loyalty of these companies and these businessmen's change depending on market forces and this industry is not just what you see is what you get. when you see a comp. i mean you don't know exactly who's working for them they hire and they sometimes create what we call subs sub contractors. there's been commanders in afghanistan who just simply say we don't know who the subs of the subs of the subs are so you have all these a whole layer of a contract. the united states army and the military in general is so reliant on the private sector i would call it a dependency but we don't know who's the on the ground presence of these companies overseas we don't know. just outside the wall in somalia and i couldn't make it up because there was no job i didn't. and my friend called me you told me to stay and. civic on sci there were recruiting guys so called iraq if you just use weapons and we are well trained in it come. comply on. was. that the very via my compliance back into iraq revamp our war and memories come back from the past i started weeping it's interesting to know when i'm seeing this and i'm thinking. for now. when i get past. my can for iraq they're. written like you're from iraq you set out a new do. they want to show you fight or to water you're not on ice you know what basic weapon this is only people that you can't buy the fighting between iraq. and young government perspective the iraqi thing was considered a quite good deal in the sense that they could actually take no good troublemakers something away to go back for a couple of years and then returning them after two years with money and from the overseas deployments this concern to stabilize security in sierra leone. was really crazy in iraq because since defense the i stepped my fits in iraq every day there was a bombing they bombed a village there is a rockets. every day we have rockets fired. every day i had gunshots every day a bomb in income in income in all my good. if you know what suits and it's damage four of our guts four of the civil union guys well trained guys. soon i say original rock i called my mom i said mom i'm in iraq she said oh what i said i mean iraq no no you're kidding i said in the moment i'm in iraq i said mum just watching the number what's the number and she watched the number. she was she was just she was yelling oh daddy yeah i said no mom dad is no problem here we see if we are not using a weapon we are you here as does our i convinced my mom i said we are doing just domestic walk in iraq she told all the neighbors around so my son he's in iraq you know he's doing. cooking go nuts. with. this young man what has been for many by young converts and. looking for young men to perform military jobs and the chances are quite good that they have also been child soldiers. so you never can mean i think like that actually. i was it just thirteen. it took my try to remember any today on the left. as a nice man but i would grant i would raise my brother. to the day did he do on. just watching from. you know as he would do with me video to give you a poem they found which was us you know i don't know what's right what's he talking about. shall we should have to keep. no. need to prove your sure that you have it my own officer if not god every day. returned i hear my father you might want that next idea that i would get. a little from. the slats. i said no i don't want a tree so i stuck to i go to this such as used in this stuff in my boat. in my boat this on the bond in my body it's in your breakfast city just because i want to get the commission forget about still a little bit more so i started as. cool in my house. when i was young. i don't let off things that i've been seeing did. a lot of. which is not good for human beings. which it is because. you have your command on when does it go on horizons before you have to do it then you don't know dutch you two have been killed way. in about fifteen countries i've been involved in programs to reintegrate children who are certain armed forces. it's a contradiction in terms on the one hand western countries have pumped large sums of money into the reintegration of former. child soldiers but now we have governments like us supporting these so-called security companies that recruit people and continue their exposure to violence and cement their identities as perpetrators of violence as soldiers but make it impossible to ever reintegrate into civilian life. now i would think that the math is that since. this is ours it's a as a as my job. it is weapons. at one time when the dockets came into account to kill a lot of. hours on top of the tower. looking down we had explosion on a second day. i think it was so annoying when people are dying on the street. the explosion is sickening all over the city not anytime had a gunshot had a bomb all watch of exposure on i think about my concha what happens every four. well you brought with you that. your first name for. it actually. entered it to the. full force. should the united member. still dish the wall and this is what's happened and should she. feel. at all. i feel is that you often don't you think it's not good well to be close alone. as it makes me. go up with. ideas which. seem like going to go free well it is not young people in syria we don't have no jobs they're desperate to feed themselves and their families and result is that it becomes harder and harder to ever find their way back into civilian life and they may plant seeds of violence wherever they go. what we. always remember one thing i'm doing my stuff my what so when i when i have a wife one i sure will when you are not in a what it's a what because i'm fully functional. which means. i can do anything with kids. you know i spend my life working to do and the rehabilitation and the reiteration of young people and it pains me to see my own government supporting the behavioral so-called security companies you know we pride ourselves on being a moral people trying to do the right thing what we're doing is we're exploiting people using young people who've been child soldiers deliberately sending them into the jaws of combat and further violence nothing could be worse for these young people nothing could be worse for security. when we think of war and the warrior who fights it we have this image and our mind and of a man and a uniform. in uniform means they're fighting as part of a military serving a nation because if they fight for their force political op patriotism and yet when you look at the wars of the twenty first century they don't match those assumptions anymore now we have outsourced a lot of our warfare to private military companies. and one ways makes a great deal of business sense you're able to get labor at cheaper rates but what it does is complicates an already complicated situation. so you cut your costs you make more profit you get the soldier that you want but you also majorly dilute the professionalism of the effectiveness of those so. i find so many parallels between this industry and other industries that offer up a lark. numbers of labor for hire and transnational markets so there's parallels between engineering and construction and very soon i'm going to bring you the best trained people in the world but then actually obvious going to poland is much cheaper labor as i can try and get the difference between you know what you're paying me for adding and what i'm taking and giving out you know. in your name. on. the other. third country nationals generally cheaper it's just just like and the other thing in the global finance right and having a factory in american or western europe that works most of the time you factor in asia or in same with this it's just the military trade. companies self interest is different than national self interest companies are profit maximizes what they do that's natural except here we're not creating you know toys we're producing thing as a result of the war. the background of this changing nature of war and fights that dates back to the very start of the private military industry itself. into the early ninety's the tribe security industry is a duck a murky industry. outright most of these. bringing down governments for the cash. that comes with the first prop of private military company it was exactly that it was a private company that could field a fool me if this is. just a good time to take i'd still just incredibly hard to train and have moved into the private sector with brochures to be cool for theo's literally saying is your mission but just feels. really. good second of outcomes is a legend in this business. they formed and soft africa as apartheid ended. they had a background in some of the special police forces during apartheid this elite units had death squads some of the most controversial units in terms of their human rights records. one dollar one down because. they work for oil companies they work for governments like in gold and certainly own and this became controversial and internationally and he stepped in and said that you can't hire execute outcomes. so another company called sandline international out of london sort of ended up taking on some of those contracts. can you explain what exactly sound fine internationally is and what you do and so on. it is a company that provides military consultancy services for governments all launched . at the time the idea was to get very posh english officers on top of these private military companies and tim spicer was an officer in the military and british military he got out and was asked to come help with their company called sandline. what the executive outcomes row going to be in this we think they're extremely good they're extruded professional who are very good track record there are no. skeletons in the cupboard was a well i mean we think that they're very good human rights record. and we would use them. be hires the same people sought after. but now they're legitimate because they're working under contract. to spicer was considered a respectable and of a mercenary organization but at first this business affairs it didn't go too well it was dogged by failure. of the company it's not run by chip spicer's built on a couple hundred mr gates by customs and excise it is accused of smuggling weapons illegally. when a private firm gets involved in foreign politics for the benefit of a criminal but you have to stop and ask ok this really happened or is this a fictitious you know james bond type story but it was a true story. about everest on the way. in papa new guinea sound lile were arrested at the airport shuttle spicer is facing firearms charges linked to his visit to provide south african trade routes reason to put down on local report. sandline eventually collapsed on the way to back up just the ones that say you know been the short term you can say that was the most successful company in terms of delivering an enormous amount of money to michelle's and civil to firstly. to spice on a career where he was able to find what would then become one of the most significant five machine companies in the world. he just. when no one occurred everything. the contractor content of the armed forces went up astronomically at this hour american and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm iraq. ideologically republicans my party wanted every single public function to be scrutinized analyzed evaluated and if possible privatized general shinseki the head of the us army at the time testified to congress and said if we're going to do iraq it's going to take several hundred thousand u.s. troops and very quickly the rest of the bush administration reacted negatively and he's absurd that's crazy it's not going to require those amount of troops and they actually simply drummed him out of the military it turned out he was right we did deploy several hundred thousand forces it was just through private military. so in the early days of iraq there was a gold rush you had companies coming out of nowhere include law clerk who was really look at how boy it was last year and nobody had any control anybody doing anything with firearms in this country could say their private military company. was an a.t.m. so these companies. please. just from using private military contractors for understandable tasks. using private military contractors wholesale in my view took place without much debate of all everybody with. little. contractors offered some gray area benefits to politicians everybody's concerned like we have a thousand boots a big round of nobody ever asks how many contractors there are there's totally charred boots on the ground. and. then i'll tell you it'll be a neat. bank than that and really i'm not planning any back to keep. the do you want to be front gate gives you yet to post this i must tell you on the most own stuff and you should because. if you know all the wolf and only you know nothing about it nothing about the didn't mean to be nothing without trying to meet. punishment large it isn't done without. too much i mean what do you mean bang. bang. so you did did you get skirt shoot first of it shot in front of you ricochet to his car. at this exact. private security companies had the sensitivity of something as civilians would often if not always get caught in the crossfire. it's a real problem for the military so we sell the contractor presence in iraq in particular but afghanistan too was becoming contrary to what the mission was for the armed forces there for their presence was more danger of that it was help. the problem was that we had all of these different private military companies running around we outsourced too quickly and they weren't quare needed both in contract terms but also in on the ground operational terms so what is your answer to a problem of outsourcing. outsource more we outsourced it to a private military company to coordinate the seemed to be ideal for u.s. companies huge contract it was half a billion dollars or just under that and it was just something that one of the large big american companies would win it but it didn't work out that way these. kind of him spies that hit the headlines a few years ago during the arms to africa affair involving you don't become the son but kind of spies and now has developed a thriving business in private security and he recently won that monthly million pound contract welkin spies is with me now tim good morning what's your summary of the situation in terms of chaos or lord over i wouldn't advise people to go there. if the measures him put in place for their protection on sunday. he says contract in iraq was to have seen the communication coordination for the private security companies on the ground. been effective meant that they were the general in charge of all the private contractors . at that point the us military was the largest machine presence in iraq but he had to get a hold of the private military contractors spicer's effectively in charge and said watch some force in iraq. very rapidly it features such a machine. and it made to spy certain extremely healthy man a. majority of americans now think it was a mistake to go to war in iraq. only in the iraq war the president stood before the end of that said mission accomplished three and a half years later the debate is back over why the u.s. is interact in the first place public support for the war is falling war americans want the troops to come home. in a brief ceremony on a base some the edge of baghdad the united states took down the flag of its command here to mark the end of the military mission. the u.s. money still seems to be pulled out of the iraqi. field operations and the industry had to go through a very complicated reset. those companies had to realize that they weren't going to get that level of money. and so they had to offer different. deals that meant they would have to hire cheaper soldiers. that would work it's now minimal wall. and. don't want to. so massive. and. then you could outgrow. all the usual achievement if i want to give you a hard one shot just to get it out if it's an option and if you. don't have to and if you give you my. initial you. know yourself and yet in here. and that's one of. the bad ones most was i was going to move. on and. along with google. among them was i don't go back a muslim you walk out the room maybe you will got a new that. i've got an extra what you need links. in the usual street code to. repeat it long sleeve of course if. got some relief in shots it will show moments. some people big muted bees. on people or misunderstood icons mcclinton from columbus mccunn. runs from my phone. and more than from me. about. that i. think will be a day or two and you don't want. to be well imo but i'm sure the x. . men never quite called me to the. courts before. in the sense. of drastic. drop it's. if. there was. no way. your loved one. destroyed the life. of a writer said my phone from flight. because . i think for one i was just. was. when we first started into theater we were briefed on peruvian and columbia gorge and m. the natural question you ask this is so what if they for these folks a little at a time and i'm playing off memory cells but i'm pretty good at that that was about a thousand to twelve hundred of us and them oh i don't know six months a year ago it became. gonda guards at about eight hundred dollars a month him out on his most recent trip the company that is winning all the awards that at this let's first start a herd of well we've got a good strategy were used in sierra leone eons so you asked the question so so what are we paying informants but two hundred fifty dollars a month. well you know i guess rhetorically i don't expect any answer and you know can we go lower could we find someone it's like we'll do it for boardroom you know that has such a terrible country that maybe they'll just go out of the country and be a free security guard i mean that's pretty inexpensive i say that it sounds facetious but it's real. you know who you get what you pay for. private security industry will continue to act for. you they've seen private companies in the training gauging in warfare. these are companies that are resisting all countries in the companies who are thrown out. these companies that mr milestones. fundamentally if you're seen snow democracy and your government takes an action that you don't agree with you can vote that government out if a company or from your country is doing something you just agree with there's nothing you can do. people care a lot when you're a dead soldier or dead marine shows up in this country and we start asking ourselves why did they die. what were they fighting for nobody bothers to ask about that contractors. who cares i mean there's nobody going to die and come home in a body bag and then verd over or whatever. every american who serves joins an unbroken line of heroes i'm awed by their sacrifice. there's no one going to go out and protest in the streets of the contractors kill. the music of the ugandan in the open in iraq and his family from syria will end up in afghanistan it's really your money it's your tax money. doing it but make sure the politicians don't get trouble. private military contractors make a decision to go to war a lot easier. as part of ending a war 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