we will maintain the finest fighting force of the world has ever known the world has ever known cervical seven. hundred plus million only two people to work most of it i just don't like the image that it comes out of in most people's mind. like any other thing in global finance it's just the military trade. the. contractors don't like her to turn it around. to go to. the same young gun and expect the iraqi coupe and was considered a good deal. be arkell you on the. way to your school group. we have a. mismatch between the way we are now i just want to be in the reality of the twenty first century. can we do any more could we find someone to do it for borden really don't mean you get what you mean from. b.b.c. world service and you have troops in iraq. and he continues to maintain the hype is going to compete with images queuing up to see him to wonder if the situation in the british television for crucial for each national troops to go under control over to the afghan forces the security situation really critical to the country. says without american oxford we're now stuck by my hard on stuff in iraq. this is a chat as you know i'm commander says he will. so yeah like if i just use other funds or visit friends most of it is gay some of and they are where it left on the answer. they not done so right now down there tonight you do something i'm on the for the biggest misgivings in was going to stop my mom. so how many are sending out that you should be your child soldiers and the nikon staff and i got. that i'm never gonna summit on resorted to using a gun not because of the ideas that people will come it isn't what you tell me that it would be to i'm the guy that's on the english. line. uganda should teach those who want to fight the gun right. now not. just companies respond comment on fact as we sometime on on to them. for example have been the good news for some time. the private military industry is a part of how the country is in fights wars today. u.s. government doesn't track the number of contractors it uses in places iraq or afghanistan we know it's a lot we don't really know exactly how many. i spent several years working within the industry i have a military background and one of the differences between being a soldier i found and being a private military contractor is that when you work for the u.s. military or any military you take a sacred oath that you're going to serve and fight for your country have necessary die to protect a way of life one that you believe in the loyalty of these companies and these businessmen's change depending on market forces this industry is not just what you see is what you get. when you see a company. you don't know exactly who's working for them they hire and they sometimes create what we call subs sub contractors. there's been commanders in afghanistan who just simply said we don't know who the subs of the subs of the subs are so you have all these like layers of a contract. united states army and the military in general is so reliant on the private sector i would call the dependency but we don't know who's the on the ground presence of these companies overseas we just don't know. just outside the wall and see well you know i couldn't make it up because there was no job i didn't. and my friend called me he told me to stay and. very civic and see they were recruiting guys so-called so it's also iraq that you just how to use weapons and who we are well trained in it come. comply on. was. that good very good. at compliant batting for revenge on our. memories come back from the past i thought that we've been. up to no one i'm seeing this and i'm thinking and also for now it's. going to pass. do it not conform iraq was. written i came from iraq you set out you need to. we wanted our new fighter to go to iraq not all night you know who basically i want you she's only people that you can't be fighting between iraq . and young one hundred perspective the iraqi thing was considered a quite good deal in the sense that they could actually take no good troublemakers something away to back for a couple of years and then turning them after two years with money and from that overseas deployment this concert to stabilize security. was really crazy in iraq because since the feds the i step my fits in iraq every day there was a bombing they bombed a village there is iraq it's. every day we have rockets fired. every day i had gunshots every day a bomb in income in income in only good. if you know what supes damage four of our guards four of the civil union guys well trained guys. as soon as i originally rock i called my mom i said mom i'm in iraq she said oh. i said i'm in iraq no no you're kidding i said no moments i'm in iraq i said mom just watch the number what's the number and she watched the number. she was she was just she was yelling oh daddy yeah i said no mom there is no problem here we see if we are not using a weapon we are you here as does our views my mom i said we are doing just domestic walk in iraq she told all the neighbors their own son my son he's in iraq you know he's doing. cooking job. with. the still young one has been for mainly by young and that's. looking for young men to perform military jobs and the chances are quite good that they have also been child soldiers. so you never can mean. that actually. i was itching to. get took my fight to them with any putting on the flag. as a national what i would grant oakridge my brother. to people. did you go on she literally just wanted from. you know she wished it was me oh video to give you a poem they felt which was was you know i don't know what's right what's he talking about. shall we say you have to keep. i don't. need to watch your actually die to have been my first if not god every day. returned i hear my father do my work that week next i get i will get. this it's a little from little. artifacts. i said no i don't want a tree so i start so i go to this such as used to let us start to put it in my boat . my putting this on the board and i wanted to know what's for breakfast the city has to close for water but the commission would still deal with the water so i started as. cool my heart. when i was young. i don't let off things that i've been scindia. a lot of. which is not good for human beings. when they do so because. i think you have your command on when this is. you have to go to bed then you don't go dutch you two have been kids were. in about fifteen countries i've been involved in programs to integrate children who are certain armed forces. it's a contradiction in terms of on the one hand western countries have pumped large sums of money into the reintegration of former child soldiers but now we have governments like us supporting these so-called security companies that recruit people and continue their exposure to violence and cement their identities as perpetrators of violence as soldiers and make it impossible to ever reintegrate into civilian life. now i will the. united states. this is ours it's a as a as my job. it's his weapon. at one time when the dockets came into account. to kill a lot of. hours on top of the hour. looking down we had the explosion the second place. i think of doing when people had time on the street. the explosion is sickening all over the city not anytime had a gunshot had a ball all watch over explosion i think about my going to watch happens every front . well you brought it back. to you face. it actually. full force. and i do you remember. what i mean what's happened instead you should. let it go. i don't. know. i feel is that you often don't you think you know it's not a good letter because a one. i don't have. as makes me. to go up with. ideas which. may seem like an actor for you well it is not young people in syria we don't have no jobs they're desperate to feed themselves and their families and result is that it becomes harder and harder to ever find their way back into civilian life and they may plant seeds of violence wherever they go. what we. all know is the number one thing. why we're so when i when i over what i should when you are not in a what it's a what because i'm full. which means. i can do anything with it. you know i spend my life working to new and the rehabilitation of the reintegration of young people and it pains me to see my own government supporting the behavior of so-called security companies you know we pride ourselves on being a moral people trying to do the right thing what we're doing is we're exploiting people using young people who've been child soldiers deliberately sending them into the jaws of combat and further violence nothing could be worse for these young people nothing could be worse for security. when we think of war and the warrior who fights we have this image and our mind and of a man and uniform. and uniform means they're fighting as part of a military serving a nation because if they fight for their force political patronage system and yet when you look at the wars of the twenty first century they don't match those assumptions anymore now we have outsourced a lot of our war fare to private military companies. and one way is makes a great deal of business sense you're able to get labor at cheaper rates but what it does is complicates an already complicated situation. so you cut your costs you make more profit you get the soldier that you want but you also majorly dilute the professionalism in the effectiveness of those so. i find so many parallels between this industry and other industries that offer up a lark. numbers of labor for hire and transnational markets so there's parallels between engineering and construction very soon i'm going to bring you the best trained people in the world but then actually i'm just going to poland as much cheaper labor as i can try and get the difference between you know what you're paying me and what i'm taking in giving out to leave. your name. on. the other. third country nationals are generally cheaper it's just just like and the other thing is the global finance right now having a factory in american or western europe that works most of the time your factory in asia or in the same with this it's just the military train. companies self interest is different than the national self interest companies are profit not so much as what they do that's natural except here we're not creating you know toys we're producing thing as a result of the war. the background of this changing nature of war and fights that dates back to the very start of the private military industry itself. into the early ninety's the top security industry is a doctor murky industry. outright most of these. bringing down governments for the cash. injection that comes to first profit private military company it was exactly that it was a private company that could field a fool me if this is. just a tiny change that still just incredibly highly trained and have moved into the private sector brochures certainly true for theo's literally saying he's your true to put useful just. like. executive outcomes is a legend in this business. they formed and south africa as apartheid ended. they had a background in some of the special police forces during apartheid this elite units had death squads some of the most controversial units in terms of their human rights records. one on one down we go to them. they work for oil companies they work for governments i think gold and certainly own and this became controversial and internationally and he stepped in and said that you can't hire and secure becomes. so another company called sandline international out of london sort of end up taking on some of e.o.'s contracts. can you explain what exactly sound find internationally is and what you do and so learn. it is a company that provides military consultancy services for governments. large corporations. at the time the idea was to get very posh english officers on top of these private military companies and tim spicer was an officer in the military british military he got out and was asked to come help with a company called sandline. and what things like that comes row going to be in this we think they're extremely good extruded professional who are very good track record there are no. skeletons in the cupboard as it would mean we think that they're very good human rights record would and we would use them. be hires the same people so after that but now they're legitimate because they're working under contract. to spicer was considered a respectable and of a mercenary organization but at first this business affairs it didn't go too well it was dogged by failure. the company is not run by tip spicer's fall behind a couple hundred fifty patients by customs and excise but he's accused of smuggling weapons illegally. when a private firm gets involved in foreign politics for the benefit of a criminal but you have to stop and ask ok this really happened or is this fictitious you know james bond type story but it was a true story. about everest on the way. in pop in guinea sound line arrested at the airport shuttle spicer is facing firearms charges linked to his visit to provide south african trade that's reason to put down on local report. said. the line eventually collapsed on the way to bed of history the ones that say you know in the short term you can say that was the most successful company in terms of delivering an enormous amount of money to a shelter and civil service. to splice on a career where he was able to find what would then become one of those sixty five machines in the world. he just. haven't occurred everything. the contractor content of the armed forces went up astronomically at this hour american and coalition forces are in the early stages of military operations to disarm iraq. ideologically republicans my party wanted every single public function to be scrutinized analyzed evaluated and if possible privatized general shinseki the head of the us army at the time testified to congress and said if we're going to do iraq it's going to take several hundred thousand u.s. troops and very quickly the rest of the bush administration reacted negatively and he's absurd that's crazy it's not going to require those amount of troops and they actually simply drummed him out of the military it turned out he was right we did deploy several hundred thousand forces it was just through private military. so in the early days of iraq it was a gold watch you had companies coming out of nowhere including black mark who was really look at how boy it was it was when nobody had any control anybody doing anything with firearms in this country to say their private military company. was an a.t.m. in these companies. these shifts from using private military contractors for understandable tasks to using private military contractors wholesale in my view took place without much debate and all everybody was a group. of. contractors off for some gray area benefits to politicians everybody's concerned like we have a thousand boots the ground nobody ever asks how many contractors there is totally turned boots on the ground. and. then you look at it. in the. bank than that and. not plunge back she. looked at the tipping point eight years. yet you post this i'm telling you on the gross own stuff and you can deduce that. you know all the willful let me know did not come up with nothing about me did mean. nothing without trying to demean. the punishment clutch in the done without. too much i mean sure to mean. bang bang say did did you get a skirt she was part of it to shine for if you were to shave his car. they'd be exact. and the private security companies had the sensitivity. something that civilians would often if not always get caught in the crossfire. it's a real problem for the military so we sell the contractor presence in iraq in particular but afghanistan too was becoming contrary to what the mission was for the armed forces therefore their presence was more danger that it was held. the problem was that we had all of these different private military companies running around we outsourced to quickly and they work ordinated both in contract terms but also in on the ground operational terms so what is your answer to a problem of outsourcing. outsource more we outsourced it to a private military company to coordinate the seemed to be ideal for us company was a huge contract it was half a million dollars or just under that and it was just certain the one of the large big american companies would win it but it didn't work out that way. colonel tim spies at the headlines a few years ago there really arms to africa affair involving his old company santa on but kind of spies and now has developed a thriving business and private security and he recently won that monthly million pound contract well tim supplies us with me now tim good morning what's your summary of the situation in terms of chaos or lord over i would only advise people to go there if the measures in put in place for their protection on sunday. he says contract in iraq was to have seen communication and coordination for the private security companies on the ground. been affected me they were the general in charge of all was the private contractors . at that point the u.s. military was the largest machine presence in iraq but he had to get a hold of the private military contractors spices effectively in charge and second which some forces were. very rapidly ficci such a machine. and they'd made to spice a string the whole thing now and. majority of americans now think it was a must. to go to war in iraq. early in the iraq war the president stood before the end of that significant accomplishment three and a half years later the debate is back over why the u.s. is interact in the first place public support for the war is falling war americans want the troops to come home. in a brief ceremony on a base on the edge of baghdad the united states took down the flag of its committee here to mark the end of the military mission. the u.s. money starting to be pulled out of the iraqi. field operations and the industry had to go through a very complicated reset. as companies had to realize that they weren't going to get that level of money again and so they had to offer a different future deal so that meant they would have to hire cheap the soldiers. when you. look at. the long haul to walk. up the hill i salute and the for work on the over. the last one the corporal. and to google google don't want talk or so mass one. and. only third out. all the usual achieve money for much of anything if you're hardly going to shop just feel good about it. and if you. don't have to and if you give you might also got to finish well you. know yourself and i think that here . was one of my former. sample but with the muslim gene that was going to be so much to move. and not just once in a song i'm gonna need. a whole lot of google. i don't know but a muslim. who got. up on explain what you mean a youngster. in the usual street could see. if he don't sleep cause he. got some extremely few shots of moments. from people bitterness that he is. from people who will miss you still not icons because i'm thinking of those more funds runs from my fund. more than. that i. think will be a day when you don't want. that money well i'm about to. endured the acts of. god god had to. give for harm's. way it was. well know when. you're done. destroy the life. roy said right from the front right. before. i take a when i was just. was . when we first started into theater we were briefed on peruvian and columbia. and m. the natural question you ask is so what do you think for these folks a little but the time and i'm playing off them results but i'm pretty good at that that was about a thousand to twelve hundred of us and them oh i don't know six months a year ago it became. gandhian guards at about eight hundred dollars a month him out on this most recent trip the company that is winning all the awards that had this was first started heard of well we've got a good strategy we're using sierra leonean it's so you asked a question so what are we paying informs two hundred fifty dollars a month. well you know i guess rhetorically i don't expect you to answer and you know if you can go a little lower to resign someone of slick will do it for boardroom you know that is such a terrible country that maybe they'll just go out of the country and be a free security guard i mean that's pretty inexpensive i say that it sounds facetious but it's real. you know who you get what you pay for. private security industry will continue to act for. you're going to see private companies didn't dream gaging in the fact. these are companies that are wasting all countries in the companies who are thrown out on. these companies that are listed on our stuff just. fundamentally if you're a citizen of a democracy and your government takes an action that you don't agree with you can vote that government out if a company or from your country is doing something you disagree with there's nothing you can do. people care a lot when you're a dead soldier or dead marine shows up in this country and we start to ask yourself why did they die why do what were they fighting for nobody bothers to ask about that contractors. who cares. i mean there's nobody going to die and come home in a body bag get diverted over whatever. every american who serves joins an unbroken line of heroes i'm awed by their sacrifice. there's no one going to go out and protest in the streets of the contractors kill. the music to the ugandan in the open in iraq and somebody from sierra leone and in afghanistan it's really your money it's your tax money doing it but make sure cultishness don't get in trouble. private military contractors make a decision to go to war a lot easier. as part of ending a war responsibly is standing by those who 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