a. to visit friends is that i don't think i'd ever go back there to live you know what i live there again i don't know so i'm not sure. bearing witness global news that matters. made for mines. the book in today's d w interview i'll be talking with assad contrast and bestselling author hans joachim mounts about populism and the psychology of politics if you can talk sure like that you could join us ladies and gentlemen my name is thomas upon. and that's mr morris the austrian satirist karl kraus once remarked that psychiatry of people who have no one has as long as there are people with wireless is there's something to that. but of course we psychologists and psychotherapists are often accused of being self obsessed. and it's true it's about for example speaking for myself i don't want to attack my colleagues i would never have become a psychotherapist if i hadn't wanted to understand my own problems. how did i become who i am what shape me what possibilities and problems too i have. so my training was a wonderful chance to shape myself to learn about myself and a person needs that if i want to understand other people i first have to understand myself. let's try to understand other people and their worries you know grow up in east germany a country that had no free elections it's kind of high today we see free elections being won by politicians who don't care about democratic rights or even want to tell them we see it in turkey in poland in hungary and even in the united states. has democracy become a burden for many people based on. my look i distinguish between an external and internal in a psychological democracy. an external democracy is the pluralistic interplay of various forces but it can be installed from the outside as it was when the allied victors of world war two installed it in germany after nine hundred forty five and again when east germany joined the federal republic in the west in one nine hundred eighty nine and ninety. the problem i see is that too little attention was paid to internal democratization. there are always internal processes that frankness that embarrass us that we don't. want to admit not to ourselves and much less to others . in this sense we are true democrats because we're always in danger of not accepting integrating the psychological content of what we could call our own internal minorities instead we persecute and denounce them in others. so i project my own flaws on to others and. so yes the others are always to blame they have to change they have to understand me better. a soul the external democracy is in danger when it no longer has something fair to offer the majority of the people who live in it. one example of what i mean is the prosperity of west germany when it was rebuilt after nine hundred forty five. go with. the present and what's going wrong with democracy and what may be behind that. the american president doesn't seem to put too much stock in democracy that he has admitted and even bragged on twitter that he spoke personally with f.b.i. director komi about investigations of people around him and about illegal contacts in russia that he had just wasn't is just by a distain for fundamental democratic principles. fundamentality mccarthy. that's a good example of what i mean one we should take seriously is such a president has no interest psychological democracy about but the same is true of german politicians when they talk about a light in the dark germany meaning western and eastern germany. when they say certain groups are a disgrace for germany. then look after they've denigrates certain people without dealing with the underlying reasons. that's what politicians. when they have an opinion or an inner problem that they don't want to look at or take seriously barmy more in these. what problems do you see in the politicians you're thinking of because. i think narcissists are going into politics today. a narcissist is someone who always thinks he is more and better and who has to did mean others made up their own shit. that's the classic narcissistic complex and if we look at our political is bad and has to be combat. zone alarm them but i am. but is this not especially true of donald trump he not only put samples down he sees critics not as legitimate opposition or people with a different opinion but enemies for example the media what does that say about him the media and the sector standing by and asked nervousness and. he's an extreme case of someone puffing himself up and needing to denigrate others. when it's a very conspicuous character trait in him but the question is why is such a person elected. the fog and the how does such a person gain such a position of power. of course it's going to tell us if. he has characteristics that seduce other people. he promises some kind of solutions and hope the people need in a critical societal situation at least in. my in the position. that our western development so far which has been oriented toward external affluence rather than relationships and the competition that entails has made society increasingly unjust in my opinion but when i was sincere. many many people are disadvantaged who are excluded from the successes that went on for the majority for decades. when. and then someone gets power whose message is we are number one with the greatest i promise things will get better for years in the. best of health he claims there are simple solutions to the problems we have to solve zation social injustice migration in our dealings with islam you're. going to be there and that blue is people into hoping he's the one who will end all our problems and mentioned for free. is. it is a question i understand but in america even trump voters must be disappointed and by now he can't deliver much of what he promised does not alarm voters and the fact that even an issue. of interest well it off does seem that he's lost prestige as a figure of hope in the hope. of a lot but that doesn't alarm people so much because our lifestyle is externally oriented toward affluence and material growth moment off and i was this. form. well that reaches a limit. and i think we already recognize that there is a climate catastrophe and environmental destruction increasing social injustice wars over resources migration resulting from poverty and wars then we have a dire problem. then we'd better ask ourselves how can we survive if we couldn't get in vitally and when someone comes along and says i'll solve it i know what needs to be done close the borders change globalization. and it creates the empress. and that he could solve the problems by treating the symptoms he says super many people that's a glimmer of hope and. really need is a fundamental change that will be very difficult for all of us. then there fear of it as a service don't want to solve problems themselves of course there's an interplay there's an old saying every country has the government it deserves so there's always an interplay when a system breaks down we tend to say those guys are the culprits we've seen this before the nazis are to blame the communist functionaries this kind of attack can't apply to east germany because there wasn't any choice. on the surface it looks like it doesn't apply how long do we keep our mouths shut why did we take part in fake elections you mean we the east germans yes we east germans i still regard myself as an east german. we hardly ever dared protest we tolerated the system we participated in sometimes i think we passively let it collapse. i'm not so convinced that we had a revolution of the system simply collapse of the system we took part through passive resistance but we weren't open about it. so i think all of us east germany should ask ourselves why did we conform to the farmers farms and why did we vote in the rigged elections and march in the state organized demonstration why did we learn to say yes to things we knew were wrong. and that it could q mr mansour for us to conclude as we always do by asking our interview guest to complete three sentences what you just said you would advise people not to make themselves so dependent on material things does that ever happen to your colleague this society sure in a sense i benefited from westernization from east germany's becoming part of the federal reserve. and of course it was very nice to be able to buy things i didn't even know about before. and then if people no longer make use of their right to vote. then as a politician i would be very worried. because that means something is being avoided prevented quietly protested or defiantly refused thoughts and that's also a symptom of a societal problem. of if i were a politician i wouldn't get a good night's sleep until i understood why people no longer exercise their right to vote. and i'd look for ways to revive people's interest in the elections this increase and that would mean i'd have to change and improve politics so that i can reach people again offer and them for best on most of the british. dammit to induce more people to cherish democracy again we should. listen and try to understand what moves people with it. instead critics are defamed and intimidated. and in this way we refuse to acknowledge justified protest and criticism. and all criticism has an element of truth truth that is often unpleasant of. han's your kmart's thank you very much kyra. book club. in good shape. thank god for disinfectant is a good time can prevent serious delete. but excessive hygiene can cause problems such as important in everyday life but don't overdo it now jim free on life's really neat. looking good shape next on d w. clotilde it going to claim your link to screw africa the world or link to exceptional stories and discussion on the use of easy to our website d w two comes to pick up join us on facebook j w for. everyone my name is made by a better known as million illegals d.j.'s discords leadership challenge. really fully supports events 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