people take germany. there demanding compensation for a colonial genocide we'll speak with a veteran campaigner for the herero people. also ahead to day three of the world economic forum in switzerland our senior business editor ben brazil it is the. kids disrupting the corporate world it could also save the planet today business looks at some of the innovations being presented to investors here in davos we'll have full coverage throughout the day. and these shoot baby monkeys don't just look alike they are clones fish of the first time scientists have been able to clone primates and cloning humans before all. well i'm terry martin good to have you with us. turkey is vowing to continue its military operation targeting u.s. backed kurdish militias in northern syria that's despite a warning from u.s. president donald trump to stop the advance or risk confronting american forces on the ground there in a phone call with the turkish president trump said the incursion in the offering region quote risks undercutting shared goals but president rich of time is pushing back sources in turkey are now saying the white house hasn't accurately summarized the phone call and that trump did not share concerns about the escalating violence in in kurdish y p g militia there have played a key role helping us back forces against the so-called islamic state the turkish government calls the y.p. ji terrorists. the shattered turn of yielded this evidence of the force that turkey has brought to be enough turkey's government is determined to press on with operation all of branch which to them has been a success so far. the operation will continue until the threat is removed. but the kurdish y. p.g. wants the world to know that they would surrender the enclave without a fight. we will resist and will not allow the enemy to invade our land to the last drop of blood we have we will never retreat from here. those appear to be no idle words missiles fired from y p g controlled territory crashed into this mosque in the turkish border tone of killis causing fatalities and panic as worshippers tried to free the wounded from the rubble. the death toll rises on both sides but turkish president. says he will expand the offensive eastwards. u.s. troops stationed in northern syria might soon find themselves caught between kurds and turks each ally determined to banish the other from the region at all costs. our correspondent covering this story for us from istanbul story in the white house says president warned his turkish counterpart about the danger of clashing with american forces in syria what's the risk of that actually happening. i think the possibilities now much higher after this conversation between the two leaders there was hope and. possibly a resolution of this of this situation could be achieved in that but the fact that neither side can even agree on what was said in the talks in particular the white house version saying that the president called for an escalation on current dismissal saying that was never said and even dismissed the concerns according to what trump said of of the of a possible clash between turkish and u.s. forces in mom beach downplay that too so the fact now that neither side can agree in fact it does fit into this narrative of encore that they say the president trump is a prisoner of his senior officials military ex military officials this will add to the growing distrust between the two sides that they can even agree on what was said in the meeting that does bring the possibility now that will expand its operations it has president heard wanted warned yesterday that they would move on to mom bitch that brings a nightmare scenario from nato to perspective that the two parts of the u.s. and turkish forces could be facing off so this situation could be expanding as you just said what's the situation for civilians caught up in the offensive. well that is a growing concern in this offensive in a free and there's been reports across the united nations as many as five thousand people have been displaced by the fighting many of believed to be from villages he's numerous villages in this very mountainous rugged terrain unclear where these people have gone there have been pictures on social media difficult to verify but the pictures of the people in caves carrying in the very bad weather conditions that are going on at the moment the plight of these these refugees and these displaced people will grow as the fighting continues now before turkey launched its offensive into syria it seems that things within syria had stabilized somewhat how does this offensive fit into the overall conflict. well that is the big fear that this is now in the seventh year of the syrian civil war that we can hope so that the end was approaching the big powers and all those involved we're increasingly getting together this now a new front by turkey threatens to destabilize the whole region creating a whole new wave of problems even the possible risk that if turkey does carry out its threat of expanding its operation all along turkey's southern border there's a calm risk of confrontations with the damascus regime possibly radia militia going forward and of course with u.s. forces as well another massive destabilizing element in the situation is already very stable unstable and we've plenty of violence and death dorian thank you very much dorian jones there in istanbul. now to some of the other stories making news around the world today u.s. diplomat bill richardson has quit an advisory panel set up to tackle the injured refugee crisis richardson said he feared the panel was becoming a cheerleading operation for myanmar's government is decision raises new doubts about efforts to repatriate seven hundred thousand range of muslims who fled the on mark last year. a delegation of north korean officials and athletes as cross the heavily guarded border into south korea for joint olympics training as county and called for all koreans to seek unification the north and south korean women's ice hockey teams will join forces at next month's winter olympics in chunks in the south. disgraced former u.s. gymnastics team dr larry nasser has been sentenced to up to one hundred seventy five years in prison more than one hundred women and girls including a limpid gold medalists described decades of sexual abuse by nasser he's already serving a sixty year sentence on child pornography charges. a brazilian court has unanimously held the conviction of former president louisa not sealed to silva known as lula on corruption charges the three judges confirmed the verdict and increased his sentence from nine to twelve years lula rallied his supporters ahead of the decision which could see him barred from running for office again. tens of thousands of lula supporters have traveled to puerto lega to demonstrate in front of the federal court building they had a clear message they love their former president and want to see him back in office . seem to be inside the courthouse judges delivered their verdict on lula's appeal they upheld his conviction and extended his original prison sentence from nine and a half years to twelfth infielders media here feeling is even fortunately a former president of the country is being condemned what he committed a crime and directly or indirectly participated in many others what it means is that a greater than ordinary punishment is necessary if you might your models i should have had women. had already been convicted last july she was accused of accepting a penthouse apartment on the speech in return for political favors lula denies the allegations. the case is part of a wider corruption scandal that swept through brazil's political establishment with politicians from almost all the country's political parties facing arrest and just a geisha. remains brazil's most popular politician loved by those who benefited from the social programs he launched. he insisted the trial against him is political and will not deter him from seeking the presidency in october in a sign of how polarized the country has become those who want to see him behind bars are also out on the streets in force. i hate the workers' party i hate the i hate to man all of them have to be in prison they can't keep rubbing the people know. our border yes or no it's not yet clear when their new law will be able to remain free pending a potential supreme court ruling. they're watching d.w. news still to come for the first time researchers have used the cloning method that produced dolly the sheep to create two healthy monkeys brain scientists closer to being able to clone humans. well the room was packed eyes were wide open as europe took center stage in the swiss alps and speeches from the continent's heavyweights germany's angela merkel spoke for him but it was france's a motherwell call on who had the headline slot he told the world economic forum that globalization had to ensure prosperity for all classes in society it's in manuel mcmullen first world economic forum since becoming french president last may one of his burning issues is globalization and fittingly he addressed his audience in english ladies and gentlemen my my my first mysie each he said france is back france is back at the call over europe. because we will never have any friends success without a european success. mcconnell spoke of a ten year strategy to make europe more economically politically and socially powerful but he said the most vulnerable members of society must not be sacrificed at the altar of progress let us not be native to the globalization in general is going through a major crisis and this global challenge requires for sure collective fought from international organizations states companies civil society. in order to find and implement this angle america's appearance marked a return to the world stage after months of political limbo at home the german chancellor said she welcomed mcconnell's election as a positive turning point for europe and she echoed his sentiments saying the world's problems will not be solved by isolation and protectionism obviously in the us is not so now we know that there are international egotism we see nationalism on the rise in many states there's a polarizing atmosphere perhaps in many places people worry whether multilateralism can really solve people's problems. ellis fear of them is. both leaders called for a strong the europe mcconnell urging greater ambition machall appealing for more cooperation on security and foreign policy makers warning against rising economic nationalism came a day before the arrival in divorce of donald trump the u.s. president's imminent appearance was not lost on mcconnell. for sure was diverse when you look outside specially coming. and arriving in this in this building in this building is i mean it could be hard to believe in global warming. obviously fortan think you didn't invite them. anybody skeptical with global warming this year. i. didn't invite anybody skeptical about global warming this year who could look calm be really cool who would tell me i mean we all have the guests and i certainly know that the u.s. president is expected to arrive in davos later today and our team there of course will keep us in the loop as they did over the last few days including last night right after the speech of a man when i call when my colleague cost of corba caught up with vale the whole president of the european investment bank to ask him for his reaction i'm so more than impressed i know him on a call from former times long before he was a minister and i must say the way he developed over a month from all of a sudden the french leader then africa of a month the european leader and now he has brought himself in the position of the global leader it's amazing and it's very very encouraging for europe all in all this was a very good day for europe anyway. we saw him on a call saying francis back he wanted to promote business obviously but he also wanted europe to move forward with a set of reforms which one was the most striking to you both i mean the announcement from his back was very credible but at the same time he could have said also europe a spec because i go back to the last ten or so davos meetings where the rest of the world looks a little bit of the sympathy on those poor europeans because they couldn't get their act together and this is the first time that we are here in davos and the europeans are really having a good show. earlier today earlier on wednesday the german chancellor spoke as well calling for more multilateralism more called operation working together how does this fit in with a man of them across the two european leaders that are being watched most in these days that fits perfectly and that is necessary because we see that we are challenged by the big power poles in this world than as states and china and if the europeans do not respond to that with a common common voice then we will get lost in the globalization and this new approach towards an active globalization policy expressed both grammatical and. eminem a call was what you really need. it was my call it cost of call by last night catching up with the president of the european investment bank in davos so what's in store for us today let's cross over to ben has a woman who joins us now from the world economic forum on the balcony certainly of our team there ben it looks very cold i know that germany and france were in focus yesterday today the focus shifts first to britain and let's say a slip of the tongue by the former british prime minister. this quite surprised me you'll remember a prime minister's raise a maze disastrous break that speech here last year i sure do and so do the davos participants here it was basically zero content no plan whatsoever a year on they do have a plan now but they've got to get their show on the roll on the road rather they've got to get things signed off by the end of the year old well before the end of the year which is probably a reason why the reason may is trying to deflect any criticism and shift the focus has been parts of her speech leaked overnight suggesting that she may really point the finger at take companies here and they have pot in abusive online behavior or allowing it to cilla taking it on their platforms anything from child abuse to modern day slavery and extremism saying that it's the investors the onus is on the investors to invest in companies that really are socially aware and don't allow their platforms to be abused i don't know how much the tech companies here will take that aboard they're going to be wanting to know what may has to say on bragg's it and david cameron yes you could write as slip of the tongue he was talking to a billionaire businessman on the sidelines of the event he said yes briggs it was a mistake but not a disaster it's quite surprising coming from him considering he's the former british prime minister who started the ball rolling and then just briefly if you would have been apart from politics there are many side of it going on that you don't want today. i caught the train up the slopes to a beautiful little hut where the university of sweden was giving a talk at the swedish lunch and i met a scientist who had some fantastic amazing breakthroughs in nanotechnology she's quite a business man she was telling me about turning the switch into an energy source they've developed these patches that you can put on your skin they contain an enzyme that turn lactic acid into a current that can pass our an l e d lab or say your radio if you're at the gym on the bike. depends a guess on how much you sweat and it's very cold as you say here but i'm sweating enough to power this building ok it's a little bit of science there is a band of course we'll catch up with you in just a few minutes later in the show when you speak to one of the world's move us and shakers there so we look forward to that thanks monica. circle of fear that's the title of our d.w. series on islamic radicalism in russia and today's episode our correspondent yuri rachet her meets a former jihad is to return to russia serving as a guard for the so-called islamic state in syria in his exclusive interview the chechen will talk us through his motivations life as a militant and his escape. did you ever use a weapon to shoot or kill people. no i didn't kill anyone could see me at when. i'd like to know why why did you go there by you. in my case it was a feeling of injustice against the sunni who were killed by the shiites you mean. didn't you watch any news use didn't you know that you were going to join terrorists. i knew that what i was doing was illegal but i didn't give it a second thought. you know with them you do. you didn't think about the fact you were going to be killing people. and i knew i would get a weapon after all this is war but my view of everything changed the day i arrived in syria you we took a sabbatical it was new to cancer so. how did you leave what did you day look like yeah when i was a guard i kept watching over occupied areas in aleppo which. is in from chechnya how were you treated by the i.r.s. . we were treated well national chechens they know his. and the kind of character they've been raised with for hundreds of years it's become a social so hard to watch chance of. finding young chechens please explain to me. you are courage under religion islam which we've held for centuries you know we've also fought in many wars that's what the i.r.s. appreciates about chechens. actually i wanted to go back as soon as i arrived that's when i witnessed an execution of refugees who have fled the war took place right after i got there got my settlement which was a gathering place for new arrivals to syria because you know there was full. of tubes as we pursue sanctions which is a real time bus came to a stop and see if it's the men were taken out and interrogated. they were asked about the religion even. when they were executing the next day. they were beheaded by the. yemeni and it was a shock for me that people could use their religion as a justification to kill others. i waited for the right moment to escape unfortunately it only worked when i was wounded and i used my medical treatment as a pretense. and from there i went home because. it is usual in your business and i had many chances as a refugee condition and enter germany or france and escape justice. but i thought if i had the courage to fight in a war. that i had to find the courage to return home. and face legal punishment. when used to. use. you came back to teach me how were you received. when i returned the police weren't aware that i'd been in syria the whole tell you nobody knew that i could simply go back home and live my life but i told myself then which had a mitigating effect. in the end i was given an eight month prison sentence. why. go to that why do they still go. it's not just a problem among chechens many from germany go to join the i.a.s. to. highly educated people as well lots of russians. not just those with russian citizenship but russians all the same you could. say to say to now many including the leadership in russia. has been destroyed and there to be shoot now focus on serious political future do you believe that the s. is finished. in my opinion no yes is not defeated it will carry on along to be sure it will move. he's a leading research fellow at the center for european and international studies thanks for being with us this morning that we heard the story there recruit who turned himself in to the authorities upon returning to. typical is that returning. frankly it's the first time i hear something that. we know. so i go ahead such things do happen but. yeah yeah you know i but but the media has never reported on this you know ok ok do you have any idea of how many chechens went to syria and how many are coming back. now i don't have an idea of zero chance but there was some estimates about citizens of c.i.s. countries that those posts soviet states of the estimated number was about thirty thousand thirty thousand that is a sigint to it but. again it was a judge or jordan only sticks thing and we have no way dia with or they they have any any any reason stood to report there was a police who did but. probably not speaking to the few good so if we might remember that one of the official goals of the russian military operation in syria as reported by by putting himself and by the minister of defense was to destroy as many as many as of its. region eating from the post soviet countries are not the lowest possible and not for allowing them to return back home ok some of them of course have returned back home series we're doing this week is focusing on that how much of a threat does the kremlin see in these former fighters who come back to c.i.s. states. as i understand their view there's a significant problem and from time to time media would report about affairs be that there's secret service at the relations. filtering them undiscovered in them so the mystical a russian out was be expressionless services i working on this one working quite effectively. but just just a question about moscow itself in the kremlin this is moscow feel that it has any responsibility itself for radicalism in chechnya and the caucasus. no i don't think so model of. personally while i would not agree with this fees is easy so if you are a member of the whole story. of the first instance when the issue for that at the lodi the collision emerged was the first issue and the war for it i mean with or without you will have been the russian state. and its no we my when they talk about the mistakes done by the russian authorities and that probably they were not flexible enough probable they could have as much as i can wait for it means that we're out of time and we have to tell you to go but thank you so much for talking with us today must know you have to ask if they're from moscow thank you so much. you are watching did every news will be back in just a couple minutes with another full bulletin for you folks watching. the touch. on the scene the scenes. using sex just mentioned. the netherlands coast to protection project is the only one of its kind. years ago the lost consciousness of sad would come to britain by the forces of nature they helped to protect the coast system but is the plan working tomorrow to doing the same sixty minutes longer t.w. . germany is a strong country. that we have achieved so much we can do this and do something henderson says we must overcome it via. going where it's uncomfortable global news that matters g.w. made for mines. oh dropping bombs on civilians. or trying the situation escalates there's no longer enough for scruples. ruthless calculation military leaders were joke the extent of the past good technological progress comes with the conflagrations massacres the bombing from going to her starting february third on t.w. . circle of fear. correspondent during russia tow is in chechnya. islamic state has recruited more young people here than anywhere else. and more and more chechen fighters are now returning home they're both respected. and here's how will do so if chechen society. circles here today. welcome back to. our top story turkey says it will continue its military offensive on the northern syrian region despite a warning from washington to stop targeting u.s. backed kurdish militia there or risk a clash with u.s. forces. and former brazilian president louisa known as lula has lost his court appeal against corruption charges the judges confirmed the verdict and increased his sentence from nine to twelve years. well d.w. senior business editor ben to zoom in joins us now from the world economic forum in switzerland ben you've been very busy there's a lot going on there. there sure is and it's kept me extremely busy terry i'm usually the last one in the bed and the first one up it's a journalist's paradise you've got presidents prime ministers prominent figures constantly strolling past you on the icy slopes an icy sidewalks rather of davos i just bumped into the portuguese prime minister yesterday on the train and his finance minister pretty interesting stuff there also excess of all but to regular people they know what's this place seems pretty far away and it's this disconnect between politics big business and the public that is spots protests right across switzerland this week squarely directed at the world economic forum and u.s. president donald trump's trip here now he promised during his campaign to drain the swamp but in actual fact he's appointed quite a few billion bodies to top jobs in the world's top economy for many davos stands for just that and out of touch global elite set on multiplying their own extreme wealth and leaving the rest of us behind well that's one reason why officials have launched a campaign to try to connect with regular people and people who can't afford the pricey price tag goeth the participants what the to spends have to pay heed to get into the four. days like will i am politicians see. can feel like a big speech bubble. in twenty eighteen every day people connected with them on social media asking the most burning questions. like. he wants to know whether in a world of high production we can ensure that inequality doesn't become a political problem and how can we read a cape misery. gabriel thanks for a great questions i think. inequality is inevitably a political issue so we shouldn't even try not to have inequality discussed politically afterwards we need to address it in practical ways and here my second point is that mississippi today is that in much the result of violence war fear tensions in society also inequality we have to address the profound good causes of misery and violence in order to address more comprehensively. the questions and answers are matched and put side by side on instagram it's an effort to connect global leaders with real world concerns from real people. well i'm here with mike greg while the c.e.o. of the u.s. software giant c eight technologies we were standing here on this very balcony a year ago when trump was an inaugural rated i asked you how you would think things will go and how would it affect your business and you'll say. you gave me a wait and see ads i've been waiting a year for the and. tell me what you've seen in that time well the new tax the new tax reforms have been very good for almost all businesses very good for ca we are thirty five percent tax payer twenty one percent you can see that that's a big difference we will take that savings we get in tax reinvested into the company into r. and d. and expansion so we're very happy with the tax plan there's a be more jumps that's what trump wants i think we're going to see more jobs and we're going to see a bigger emphasis on digital transformation from all companies and i think you're going to see when they're deciding what to do with the savings they get from the tax plan they're going to be investing in infrastructure and infrastructure to be investing in technology one of the things i'm very excited about is some of the work we're doing here at the west to help in rescaling on a global basis. at this time of day yesterday i spoke to the international trade unions boss philip jennings he said trump is destroying the american dream your view is completely the opposite from from what i can gather is that somewhere in the middle you guys can meet i think there's always going to be somewhere in the middle when you take a look at both extreme sides i think they're both wrong at the end of the day all of us in business would like to be able to trade with other countries and with other companies have partnerships and at the end of the day this could be a lot of negotiating and we'll see what happens in the same way we talked a year ago we said let's wait and see i think we should take the same approach how would you assess performance until up until now what sort of a job is he doing in the white house well you know i'm not really qualified to say on the business side we really like the tax reforms he's tackling some of the biggest social issues that we've see in the united states and they're no different that we're seeing around the globe it really comes down to jobs if every country can get their citizens jobs and give them dignity i think whoever's in charge is going to do well if they can't get them jobs and i mean good jobs people that feel good about what it is they're doing that they're part of the economy i think they're going to suffer the fate of the populist a lot of those good jobs in the take say. taken up by india it's president bodies' being here and there are there is a significant number of indians who come to the u.s. and work in the tapes six to. eight people you rely on in at ca technologies we rely on everybody we have to do more inclusion on gender we have to do more inclusion on race and there are just not enough skilled people to take all these jobs so we will take anybody of any race in any color that has the skills and what happens when you have a u.s. president isn't welcoming to these types of people i think it comes down to numbers when u.s. companies can't get the work done and slow down product to vittie you're going to see rational. national policies put in place on a global basis so in other words he may just have to keep quiet on that one i'm not sure that he's going to keep quiet but i think he's trying to argue for a case that he wants as much inclusion as possible he wants people to follow the rule of law and there's a process to be to come in the united states and that's where the debate needs to happen and that's there's a process for that debate and i think that debate's going to rally on for a while you'll see mr trump today will you have anything to say to it i don't know if i having this say to my been invited to a reception with him and i'm looking forward to going my great was c.e.o. of ca technologies thank you very much great thank you ben. well my next guest says it doesn't matter who's in the oval office the important thing is that we get ready for the digital age yesterday i caught up with the latin america president of the recruitment agency manpower monica florists i asked her about trump's impact on mexico and her region. we are seeing the impact of his iterations on the new of his car reform and all the negotiation of the nafta the north american free trade agreement mainly in mexico both what we're seeing in that in america is that we need to riskily ourselves the whole world is facing a revolution of skills in which we need to of skill risk il ourselves not only the workers in the field very upright the positions also the leaders we need to be ready for the digital era despite who is running their us would you say it's better advice than latin americans rescale themselves and stay where they are stay put and not look for opportunities in the united states which is pretty much what mr trump wants know what i see is that we need to risk this fight you are lucky america or not for latin americans i say that we need to look for new opportunities in other markets trying to renegotiate our relationship with the u.s. in any case we need to prepare for a new era we have very upright the positions in latin america we need to be ready for the new era in which we need to compete at the global level. despite who is doing business with us we need to acquire new skills we need to reform their educational systems so we can compete the advantage that we have is that we have a lot of young people which other countries and so that is a great opportunity for us to be a real actor in the new were what has to change education wise in your opinion we need to develop skills and the traditional system means that you need to learn by heart names date reverse month times that's important but more important now is to learn how to communicate yourself to be creative to to the bell of the learnability the reality to learn every day to be ready to put to work in the. team and to solve problems the capacity to think through analyze and to be ready to innovate that's what we need to learn and you said this also applies to leaders what's your message then to leaders what do they need to learn how did they need to rescale themselves to this new digital world well they need to acquire the you tell skills probably eighty percent of what they do would be the same the same ability analysis and you know the communication skills but they need to be ready to communicate to different generations they need to be ready to compete in a completely different world the problem is that they were successful in the past they need to be ready to be successful in the future that's where they need to learn to be prepared to take risks to accept that they are wrong to innovate and to change their whole mindset in a new era monica flores thank you very much a great message for the world and our workers and the world's leaders thank you very much for the interview. talking about rescaling i desperately need a lesson in virtual reality the technology is advancing quickly keeping up is extremely tricky i tried out a v.a.r. experience here and was with my colleague christiane but it's and i think you'll have to agree the result is quite touching. and i'm trying. to men about to enter a very strange virtual reality experience. to explore and nobody see your friend gets. once the goggles are on they will see themselves in the body of the other through cameras on their virtual reality headset. each mimics the movement of the other in order to experience what it feels like in their skin. it's designed to bring together people of very different walks of life people living in slums for example with those living outside of those neighborhoods. and participants do really get to know each other even though life can be difficult in another skin. and. it can lead to a very special bond. as weird. thanks for joining us for this special coverage very special coverage today from the world economic forum live from davos the d.w. business team will be here throughout the day for you live from davos switzerland i'm ben physical and back to you terry in lynn you have to agree it's. not only extremely interesting what's going on here but also quite touching in some respects as famous as a famous balkan one said fascinating ben thank you so much. well later today a new york court is to hear a case brought by indigenous people in the mid be demanding compensation from germany for a colonial era genocide a century ago german troops and sufferers killed tens of thousands of herero unama people in what was then german southwest africa the lawsuit also calls for representatives of the ethnic groups to be included in the negotiations we joined in the studio by a veteran campaigner for the herero people in just a few minutes but first this report on why a genocide committed more than a century ago is still affecting people today krista conduce family lives in poverty and she says that's been the case since the war with the germans one hundred thirteen years ago although her family does own some land in eastern it's nothing more than a few sheet metal huts in the middle of the plains. krista says the plot of land is too barren to grow crops. her real home lies three hundred kilometers west of here where she says her family used to own a farm on fertile land until the germans expelled them from it. christa has a photograph of her grandfather he had lived on the old farmstead back then as a small boy with his mother. when the german soldiers attacked our property my grandfather and his mother fed his mother stopped to death during that escape he was captured and put into a labor camp later he was able to escape and return home but by then our land belonged to a german so my father started to work for him and tended the cars that had been taken away from us. krista is not alone every year thousands of herero unama people commemorate what they call the genocide committed by the germans. imperial german soldiers allegedly poisoned this water source used by the herero since then the locals call it the well of the deadly stomach pain who are murderers when this man says they've come to speak to their ancestors. there's another reason why they're doing it here this is where a german general gave the order to expel the herero from their land and drive them into the desert. krista has also come like the other women she wears the traditional headdress symbolizing cow horns. the men are wearing uniforms in the style of the german imperial soldiers. what they want from germany is an official apology and reparations. i mean i do not believe that we have ever i will ever receive any money from germany though there are negotiations taking place with germany those negotiations are not with us directly but with the maybe in government which is dominated by other tribes who will keep the money from south or there was in next year. that's why krista and her fellow campaigners have filed a lawsuit against germany in new york. oh. they're here hoping to force direct negotiations between germany and the herrera and nama the goal is to secure direct reparations for the affected indigenous groups. can reach an agreement but we thought was. that agreement is not with the piece of paper it is written on and germany will end up paying twice the money they will waste on the namibian government and the actual money they would have to pay us for them but there are also divisions among the herero some groups support the government's negotiations which have led to germany offering aid projects instead of payouts. back in namibia were on the road driving three hundred kilometers to get to christa's incest will homeland she wants to show us center nice where the family once had its homestead. to this day the property is still owned by an ethnic german family. we don't know what kind of reception will get when we arrive. somewhere here is where krista's family once had its own farm. the house that belongs to the current owner is up on a hill but when we arrive no one is home. just as grandfather worked here for the germans until he was too old she says that's when they sent him off to live on the arab land in the east of the country. we wait until the farmer shows up. in my wrist and he talk to each other and afrikaans one of the languages of the white settlers. the farmer says he remembers christe his grandfather. but he says his ancestors purchased the land from the herero so there's no case to return the land and he says he doesn't know anything about anyone being expelled. like this is obvious in your fantasy maybe she's fantasizing about it and where in the world to native americans or aborigines in australia get their land back again so of course just say no you've got to come up with some kind of a deal with a compromise. to give them back the land i would you know i mean with the look on the germans but then i'm also will talk to cultivating the law and. order there's a cemetery right near the farmhouse the farmer tells crystal and her niece that they're welcome to visit it but they don't want to walk through it according to their tradition they would need a male head of the family to go with them krista tells us that one of her aunts is buried here it means a lot to her just to be here but she's disappointed by the outcome of her talk with the farmer. even if you want to give me and then he should at least pay out the pension from my grandfather he never got one and with that money i could buy my own farm. krista says she understands that the germans want to keep their land because it's good land she doesn't have anything against germans she says she just wants justice then you. offer more of the story i'm joined here in the studio by esther moore and jang ways she's the chairwoman of the over herrera genocide foundation thank you so much for being with us this morning us or now i want to begin by talking about the legal case here there's a court case being heard in new york to tell us first why new york ok when new york thank you very much for having me in us today oh. we quickly have been going to court. for example we have the hague but we didn't go there because we know that to take a country to the hake of the international court of justice that country should consent and we knew from the beginning that germany would not consent that's why we went to america and we went to america because of the. claims. which is also protecting the rights of the indigenous people so that was the symbolism where we went there and secondly we also have had a growing number of people who are citizens of the united states of america ok but germany is is who you are trying to negotiate with and in this situation but germany won't even accept the court papers that you have filed what are you expecting to achieve in this case. we are expecting a lot we have been and today twenty five generally twenty eighteen it's a very important day that will go down in the history of this war for the first them a small group of iranian member people have taken the manc fitted out of public of germany to court and what we expect to happen is that eventually they german government will realize that they have to come to the table and sit and talk to their number inheritance and that gives some german policymakers have spoken about the mass killings of the herero unama people as genocide but still there's no agreement on making an official apology what's your take on that my take on that twenty is that germany is simply playing. a game here. gemini no except leave very well that the moment they offer. that it was genocide then they cannot play with the weight of we f. surveillance state we state immunity they know that that will be something of the past but this way they had to talk about atrocities in you know things that have been in the past but we are seeing it was genocide and because it was genocide if we need an official apology and after our official apology they seat with a prison that is of the number of a hetero community and they talk directly to them and not through a proxy would you accept an apology and an official recognition of what happened as genocide by germany would you accept an apology without reparations known for the simple reason that. what are you up on a guessing for you would guess for jim i said that your comment that in the repetition means that he pivoted to make each that you have cost their full apology along with argument but as jim with out this study if justice would not mean anything to us ok now germany is negotiating not with you but with the namibian government actually right now and remembering the genocide at least let's let's look at the reason that berlin's representative gives for not talking directly to the herero and nama people on this report poland sees that representative for germany he says that quote the namibian government had always emphasized that namibia is one country we've always said that we respect the additional assistance should be focused primarily on the historically affected communities when we agree on projects we will try to make sure that they are maintained mainly directed towards the areas of the herrera's and nama. so he's saying that he can't talk to you over the heads of the in the mid b.n. government do you accept that. they snow will do that we can accept that because. this same gym and government. talk to twenty three groups of jewish together with the state of israel and that is the model that we are asking for sit with it december of this of their i remember people together with them and we've been government allow them the platform to talk for themselves and to say that you cannot talk to these groups because you are a surveillance tape and you would do a civilian government for us that this nonsense because men don't know for there was no namibian government there where communities that were lit by played the lead us in this same gym and shoots through prayer recall that the additional address that this way they signed this with them is simple as that ok esther thank you so much for talking with us today and of course will we look forward to hearing what the outcome of that case is esther moon janeway chairperson of the over herrera genocide foundation thank you very much. and before we go just reminder of the top story we're following for you here today on the news turkey says it will continue its military offensive on the northern syria. just spike a warning from washington to stop targeting u.s. backed kurdish 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