not only for all the people globally but it's also a challenge to the american people. which path are we going to choose? are we going to expand the franchise, help people to vote, open up our system, or are we going to go towards the automatic instinct? i think that remains to be seen in our country and all over the world. >> no, and just to tie the first two segments together, i mean, those stories must cheer putin to hear that trump -- that, whether it was directed by trump or not, all of his enemies ended up spied on by his justice department. >> i think vladimir putin, a former kgb officer, someone who's used the intelligence apparatus to go after his own domestic political enemies looks at that and what "the new york times" and others have reported and said, that's the right way to go. go get em, guys. that's the theory of the case of an autocracy, which is use the apparatus of the state to go after your political opponents. it's obviously an anathema here