let's break this down with you, ravi. start with russia. what would success look like for a biden/putin summit, given what we see play out? maybe not necessarily a direct message to the americans but something that american lawmakers and politicians are very mindful of, what happens to navalny. they have been calling for support for him and his organization. >> two answers to that question. on the one hand, there's rhetoric. on the other hand, there's progress or tangible achievements from the meeting. i think on the rhetoric front, i think that side is going to be easy. what biden will focus on the most is to present a very different face than the one that trump did. that's not going to be difficult to do. instead of appearing to be ply -- pliant, he will be tough. that will set the tone for the

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