in may. both attacks tracing their rots back to russia. an issue president biden says he plans to bring up in his meeting with putin next week. i want to dig deeper and bring in ian brimmer and also with us is dennis riggleman and spent 20 years in the pentagon and private industry. congressman, you know how this works better than nearly anyone. how do we bring these hackers to their knees? private businesses yelling at them for paying ransom? they don't have any other tools. >> that is an issue. if we don't have an actual generalized plan or a national plan to protect our infrastructure, we are in trouble. i will give credit. you have dhs, they had 17 sectors specific plans which i sort of used to do before that was called the nppd and it actually has evolved. however, we still have a tough time with our global partners and a tough way of strategically