>> there's a book about that. joe, this is like a really complicated issue. the real question to me is, how bad does joe biden want this deal? because, you know, here's the basic crux of this. do joe manchin and kir stin sinema represent the democratic caucus writ large. and the answer to that is generally no. and they're the people in the room leading these negotiations. so they are not going to raise anymore taxes. joe biden has made it political clear that raising taxes is not only a political upside on wealthies and corporations, but he believes it's good policy. and he believes that's what they should do to pay for this package. so there is no middle ground between no raising taxes and a large infrastructure bill, unless you're going to deficit
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