subverting the will of the people, some would call it antidemocratic. >> i don't like that term. >> we're doing a slow build, identifying the most vulnerable populations and saying, can we afford that. not only can we afford that today. can we guarantee we will be able to afford that forever because when you start putting people on medicaid, this has to be a long-term commitment. >> but under obamacare, if you expand medicare, you get 90% covered by the federal government. >> so people say that's a very small number. that's a tiny amount of money until you look at what that does to our budgets. it's 10% added on to an already strained budget. >> even though the people voted for this, they don't really know what they're talking about? >> no. they understand the concept. what gets lost are these really complicated details, which are