>> one of the problems with the china strategy is you've got navarro and you've got lighthizer and mnuchin. i recall a chinese diplomat going who do we negotiate this with during the u.n. meetings. and so lighthizer/mnuchin won that bait, but navarro is still coming in and talking in the president's ear. and the last person to speak to this person president is the one -- i doubt very much that mnuchin wants to walk away from the deal that they had when they upped the ante. that's a trump move. >> let me go back to this nato issue one more time because it goes more to the rally issue. he's doing the same basically bizarre stuff, some of it lie, some of it b.s. at his rallies. we just collectively don't get out raged by it anymore. look at how he's advancing his nato argument now. take a listen. >> i got nato to pay an extra $100 billion they weren't playing. they were delinquent. then we protect them, they don't