on a thursday night, philip rut gr, former u.s. attorney joyce vance who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor and philip mud for both cia counter terrorist center and the fbi's national security branch. he also happens to be the author of the new book that we'll be talking about later in this hour. it is called black site, the cia in the post 9/11 world. good evening and welcome to all of you. you don't really believe that was kind of a toss off answer by the president to a subject that defines who we are and what we've become now, so much so that on the legal realm on just social media last night in the public domain the bots went to work with messaging trying to foment racial division just in the hours after the democratic debate. >> this is not some sort of partisan point of view.