derided or marginalized in a free-throw society is questions about the role of predatory big pharma. >> i'm going to jump in and let you respond. just so my viewers are keeping up with us, i'll read a little bit of what you said since you're talking about the depiction. the quote here was "it's no different than the abortion debate. the u.s. government doesn't tell a citizen in my book what they have to do with their body or chair child. vac even man the date were in your view at the time draconian or orwellian." i hand it back to you. >> the sish of draconian or orwellian. this is the issue, when i was a child we took far fewer vaccines. there was much less bundling and much less chronic illness. i don't know why, this is not a topic that i have consciously chosen, this is not a big topic for me. >> do you think vaccinations are contributing to things being worse now? is that what you're suggesting?