it or we can stand up and fight. i think the american people want us to stand up and demand a little accountability from this lawless president. >> you know, one of the theories behind why the speaker is so reluctant to go forward on impeachment is that potentially she doesn't have 218 votes in the house, that if impeachment were to come to the floor, it wouldn't pass, not just because of republicans, but because of democrats. do you agree with that? >> well, i have the greatest respect for the speaker. she is a great leader. i don't agree with her entirely on the approach concerning this matter. i believe that our duty is not one of just taking a poll or doing the politically acceptable thing. we have a duty under the constitution. what we do about this lawless president will set the standard, will set the precedent for what happens when we have a president -- i don't know if it's possible to have a worse president than donald trump, but when we have another president, be it democratic or republican, who threatens our democracy the way he has. we need to say that when there is this much lawlessness, we are