when he said democrats got what they wanted on substance. but the optics were a disaster. in terms of impeachment, was it always about the opt iics anywa? what was mueller going to say that changed the facts from in the report? i wonder what your take is on the impeachment. >> yeah, first of all, anybody who ever expected bob mueller to produce a charismatic exciting optically interesting hearing doesn't know bob mueller. this is a person who is not charismatic. who made it perfect clear that he didn't want to be there. and who is, you know, and going to basically said that he was not going to go beyond the four corners of his report. that he was going to answer questions, very minimally, if at