and then with william barr -- >> mmm-hmm. >> he was a party to. he knows every single thing that rosenstein allowed them to do or maybe was reluctant to allow them to do. he's just filled with a level of detail that i think is invaluable. >> and because of that, because of his role as the person who was running the day-to-day operations of the office but also that go-between role at the justice department, you'd sort of be i think particularly interested in what zebley might have to say about, you know, charging decisions around obstruction of justice and some of that really controversial stuff from volume ii of the report. volume ii of the report is going to be what they're discussing in the morning with the judiciary committee, which is the time you'd want zebley to be able to answer those questions. as of right now we don't think he's going to be answering questions, he's just going to be sitting there whispering in mueller's ear. as i said, i don't know if the judiciary committee has it within their power to change that arrangement, but now that intelligence has, way don't they? >> but even that role in the judiciary committee is also very valuable because we all know the