versus a revolution. and i think the people who are invested in joe biden are worried that he actually needs to come out and be confident and not look scared and maybe he's not quite ready. i think rev is right. julian castro and booker had great nights. they have to come out swinging. bill de blasio is the most annoying person on the debate stage of all time. he is going to start screaming. and biden does have to be ready from all of that and maybe a surprise from someone else. but he has to show some confidence that he really lacked the first time and it very much spooked a lot of people that he doesn't really have -- i don't know if he's going to fight the progressive argument, but just if you're going to be the electable one, be the electable one. don't look spooked. >> i would say on the first night real quick, it's going to be really interesting to see if warren is able to distinguish herself fra bernie sanders. say i'm not the socialist, i am a capitalist. this is a big opportunity for her. >> and how you deal with then who is the progressive leader to be the nonsocialist or what?