stripes and shapes say wait a minute, no, i do care about this. >> why have they been so quiet? why have they been so quiet over the last two years, then? >> well, because everything's in the orbit of donald trump. it's about him. he has ruled out taking action on the very things that drive our debt and spending conundrum. people don't want to go -- if you're a republican you don't want to go against him on that front. so if he's not going to lead, i'm not going to lead. so you've got the republican party frozen in place. and on the democratic side i watched two democratic presidential debates wherein there was not one question or one conversation about debt and deficit and what comes next on that front. on both sides there's sort of an unholy alliance that i think brings us that much closer to the edge of this financial presa pace that wasn't there before. we are running higher dhaebts

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