embrace dictators like mbs and kim jong-un, and sxi jinping, ad vladimir putin. so it's a completely different context that we look at the united states as the u.s. president moves in the g20 to this encounter across the dmz. >> with the issue of japan, since they were just in osaka, which you were very much a part of, the negotiations before, the previous era of trying to get to some sort of agreement of denuclearizing the korean peninsula. what is -- who are the right players at the moment? we were talking about china and president xi. but abe and japan still an important part of this? >> sure, yeah, of course they are because if there's any actual deal with north korea where the north koreans are going to get compensated for giving up their weapons, trump is not going to pay for it, right, he's not going to want to pay for anything. so he's going to look to the